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  1. prisonchaplain

    I'm surprised by...

    I suppose you could tell the authorities they were going to an alternative court, and that the ultimate sentencing is for much longer terms. On the other hand, this tact would have worked better back when privatization and faith-based programming were all the rage. 👳‍♂️
  2. prisonchaplain

    I'm surprised by...

    I actually have 7 congregations...but since we're on federal ground, I'm not sure if we can be counted in the Seattle census.
  3. prisonchaplain

    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    The word "for" is missing. "... but it seems that on this issue FOR our churches ... the real decision is ... " If I could type as fast as I think, when I am posting, this might be a different world . . . :::sigh::: 🤔
  4. prisonchaplain

    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    I could be wrong on this...but it seems that on this issue our churches, and indeed most of Christianity (at least those branches that hold to scriptural belief and practice), the real decision is whether or not we will hold to God's will on sex or not. Is sex to be reserved between a married woman and her husband or not? The culture says no. Men love men, women love women, and couples fall out of love. I suspect most of us here agree on this...and we say with Joshua, "As for me and my house we will serve the LORD."
  5. prisonchaplain

    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    Catholics have taken that option, in the U.S. And, indeed, the vast majority of comments issued, even by the Pope, are not infallible. Special declarations of an infallible dictate come somewhat rarely. Likewise, even within my branch of Protestantism that believes in modern revelation and prophesy (Pentecostal/Charismatic), we test the spirits. It would not be too strange for individual members, even when leadership has not called a particular utterance into question, to reject it as "in the flesh" (i.e. not from God). LDS are not really suppose to have the option--unless there is opportunity to sustain (or not). Am I understanding right?
  6. prisonchaplain

    Church policy change on same sex marriage

    I'm trying to understand, as an outsider. Members believe not only in continuing revelation, but that the church's leaders are God-placed and have prophetic office. Members sustain both the doctrine and the leadership. Along comes a difficult decision--one that an individual member might have opposed, had it been a decision up for a vote. However, it was not. It was a divinely originated mandate. Three years later, there are a series of new decisions--ones that seem to take a different approach. So, whatever personal opinions members may hold, ultimately, these types of decisions are affirmed...they are given by God's selected leaders, and they are God's decisions. Yes?
  7. prisonchaplain

    Why we should respect each other's religion/s...

    Hey, now! . . .
  8. I'll grant that your suggestion and explanation are interesting and intelligent. I suppose a historian might even argue that the polytheistic-seeming Godhead actually being a monotheistic Trinity follows the general flow of religious thinking. However, I would suggest that the basic nature of God is his character--LOVE. We grasp to understand the Trinity or Godhead because we desire to know the God we worship as intimately and accurately as possible. However, when the discussion turns to Greek and Hebrew words about unity, oneness, essence, etc., I suspect most people of faith will feel out of their depth, and resort to trusting the gifted teachers of their religious movement.
  9. First, I am assuming that @AbramM is representing the situation in good faith. The gal's not here to defend herself. We all get that. However, I have to assume he's shooting straight with us, or the conversation becomes impossible. That said, okay, yes I see that there is a measure of pressure being applied by our suitor. Still, I think he's handling it honorably. The waiting around will not last long. He's mainly waiting to see if she will disclose where she is really at. If she's already become deconverted from LDS spirituality, and simply vaguely believing in the one God, then I can understand @AbramM patiently testing the waters, to see if she is open to a traditional Christian faith practice. He's already said that if she is truly committed to her LDS faith, then he will gently let her go. To me, that's good enough. I get the counsel to simply move on. It's tempting for me to recommend that too, given her lack of openness. However, I don't know either of these two, so am willing to give the OP his own discernment in the matter.
  10. I get the objection...if @AbramM were hanging outside the nearest LDS temple, trying to ensnare a good LDS girl, so he could convert her and make her his own. BUT, young and naïve, he honestly thought the gal was just of a different Protestant denomination. She let on that it was so. He never gave her an ultimatum. He's ready to break it off if she's committed LDS. We've said this and @AbramM has said this multiple times. He's not pressuring her to convert. He's trying to figure out where she is really at spiritually, and is ready to let her go, if she is committed to her LDS faith. It's a difficult situation that seems to have been foisted upon him. I see no manipulation, and do not understand the objection.
  11. What is a basic understanding of God vs. a deeper one? @Mores suggest that Trinity addresses that basic nature, and so should be understood. I'm not so sure. Trinity gets at the Godness of God--his deity. How can we understand that? We understand that God loves us so much, that He made us in his image, that He wishes to live with us forever, that we express his love when we love one another, that when we gravitate to the good we draw closer to God (and the opposite, of course). The Bible reveals so much. Modern translations are written at about a 7th grade reading level. In the KJV is 11th grade. So, what is basic to God's nature. I'd suggest it's his character--especially his love. How he can be truly 1, yet 3...why wouldn't we consider that a deeper understanding?
  12. First, kudos for your lengthy, well-thought-out response. I've found that the family analogy is a common explanation of the LDS Godhead. Also, your question about how one can love and worship what one cannot understand is fair. Concerning God's oneness being a family arrangement, I suspect the LDS reaction to the creeds, and to the councils that formed them (an opposition shared by groups like Jehovah's Witnesses, btw) is that they spent a great deal of time infusing "the wisdom of man" into what is supposed to be a direct, God-breathed understanding of scripture. They were answering opposition questions with details the Bible simply does not give. I might suggest, however, that LDS ask the same questions--questions the Bible does not answer. So, traditional Christians end up reverting to those creedal answers. Then again, the LDS answer to God's oneness is also a creedal one...but with a difference. Joseph Smith did not form a committee of theologians. He says God told him so. His answers are to be understood as prophetic--in the Old Testament "thus says the LORD" sense. And so, you have great confidence in it. And, here we traditional Christians are...without those revelations...knowing for sure that God is one, though three persons, ... being asked to explain the nature of the oneness. The non-creedal, yet safe answer, is that the oneness is so much one that it cannot be called polytheistic and yet it allows for the Father, Son, and Spirit to be distinct persons. How that can be so...well, as one created by God, I am thankful for what He has revealed, and can love Him for that...without understanding yet the fullness of how that is so. I do have the promise of 1 Corinthians 13 that when we see Jesus we will see Him as He is...we will have that fullness of understanding. So you insist...because you believe you have the answer and therefore, of course God would give it. And, we either appeal directly to the creeds, indirectly by using their words, or, as I did, just say, "Look, here's what the Bible tells us and I'm good with that." I'm not sure we can get beyond this impasse without agreeing that the Latter-day revelations or true or false. You know something I don't, and I know that you think you do, but I'm not so sure you're right. we be. :-)
  13. If @AbramM were seeking out an interfaith buddy I could understand this line of questioning. He's looking for his lifelong "one-flesh" wife. The girl let on that her faith was compatible with his. He's not trying to be fair and set up an interfaith marriage. He's looking for a traditional Christian soulmate, so he can become one with her in every way, and so they can raise up their kids, without religious confusion, in the nurture and admonition of the LORD. He finds out LDS is a whole lot different from his faith than he thought, so it may indeed be a deal breaker. That's not unfair. That's a young man seeking to live his life for God and without compromise.
  14. While I understand that a few here have made interfaith marriages that work, @AbramM is 20, and is expressing the same views I was taught 1,000 years ago--that the "one-flesh" union between husband and wife should be of like, precious faith. "Unequally yoked" was huge in our youth group teachings. "Why date a non-Christian, since you can't marry her?" We heard that a lot.
  15. @AbramM actually said he would move slow, because he does not want her converting for his sake. If she does so, he wants to take the time to see if it is something between her and Jesus, and not just her attempt to appease him. Like I said before, I really see that he is handling this with a good measure of wisdom.