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  1. As an outsider, when I hear a member say, "The church is true," I take it to mean this--that members believe their church is the restored spiritual authority, with modern revelation, etc. Some of my fellow non-members may misunderstand this because many groups that claim exclusive truth also condemn outsiders.
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    The descendants of Cain become metal workers, wood workers and musicians. Not rich. Not powerful. Yet, useful. Likewise, with Adam & Eve. They took the fruit, yet continued to offer sacrifices to God. They taught their children to do likewise. Out of ashes, beauty, no?
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    Not believing in the traditional Christ

    I could be wrong, but I suspect that the OP is wanting to know about the origin, within the Church, of the belief that Jesus is the literal offspring of God the Father and (again, I presume) Mother. My understanding, from my years here, is that this belief is taught and believed, but that it does not get very specific, and is not a huge day to day emphasis.
  4. Perhaps a non-LDS perspective would help here. First, I would never expect an LDS member, family or not, to support my ministry. Likewise, I doubt that many LDS members would ask their non-member family to support their missionary work. If donations are offered, that's special and great. As for donated across denominational lines, it depends. If a church is opposed to LDS teaching--and frankly, most are--then it would be difficult for a member to support that church's work.Personally, I believe you would be justified to only support LDS missions. If a child acts upset about being treated differently I suspect that is a tactic. As a funny aside, I've been watching youtube videos in which children come out to their conservatives. They claim it's much scarier than the gender-related stuff.
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    This was ironic

    The more atrocious the more sugar required. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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    This was ironic

    Directions for a WoW-compliant CoJCoLDS latte: 1 mug of hot milk 1 Tablespoon of Postum* 2-3 teaspoons of sugar Mix well * Or whatever faux-coffee atrocity you prefer. ๐Ÿ™ƒ
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    This was ironic

    I used to joke about being a former Java's Witness, who left to join the Church of the Sacred Bean. But, alas, no...if I received revelation to give up coffee, tough as it might be..."Thus sayeth the LORD" should always win..
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    If not BYU, then what college to send the kids to?

    I loved my three-month stint in the Philippines, and can easily see that so many found that great balance between practicality and paying the bills vs. cultivating art and beauty for life enhancement. Further, having studied and taught elementary education, I can agree that the foundations of a good liberal arts education are found K-8. Sadly, these skills are often sabotaged in STEM-dominant high-stakes-testing oriented secondary education. BUT...since we're drawing on culture and experience, I recall Proctor & Gamble and other companies seeking out graduates of my liberal arts school. The reasoning? We don't need business majors who think they already know it all. We want graduates who can read, write, talk, analyze, and who will learn the way our company operates and then do their great work within our system. It really is all good. Then again, some of the best liberal arts programs are taught at the more conservative schools, like Hillsdale College (which has free online courses, btw).
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    Police: Man Tries To Open Account With Fake $1 Million Bill

    One of my favorite illustrations in teaching relates to the idea that we should not dismiss God's work and power because there are fakers. I ask, "Is divine healing real? Does God heal people in answer to prayer?" The answer is almost 100% YES. Then I ask, "Are there fake healers out their trying to make some money off God's people?" Again, the universal YES. My point: The fakers wouldn't convince people unless they were faking something that is real. My punchline (in a congregation that often includes a counterfeiter or two): NOBODY FAKES A $3 BILL. I stand by that, but now must admit that once in a blue moon someone go after THE BIG DEEP FAKE.
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    If not BYU, then what college to send the kids to?

    There is a lot of media bluster about whether college is worth it or not. Additionally, many moderates and conservatives are alarmed at the radical leftist bent of some schools and programs, and the anti-free-speech tact many liberals have embraced--all in the name of social justice and racial/cultural sensitivity. Buyers must beware--more so than in the past. However, the cynicism and ledger-book mentality that some conservatives have adopted is concerning. I am a social and economic conservative, yet majored in uber-left fields (Education, History/Political Studies, and Divinity). I fear that the liberal and fine arts are becoming far too scarce. Perhaps my own story will help. I was a first-generation college student, graduating from Seattle Public Schools. As a result, I received relatively generous scholarships from Whitworth University, and entered with a business major. Two years in I realized business was not for me, and I was able to change my major to a double: Elementary Education and History/Political Studies. I did two exchange programs (Hong Kong and Korea), and still graduated in four years. Entering college I had no family guidance, and obviously did not initially know what I wanted to do or become. Whitworth (a Presbyterian liberal arts college) worked for me because it was liberal arts, and had the flexibility to allow me to explore for awhile, before I settled on my specialties. I would not change my background. However, I also would not steer perspective students towards my alma mater. It's climate has changed. The political antics I participated in there (as a young person learning what I believed and how mature, educated people should communicate) would probably have had me under discipline today. So, I still value a flexible liberal arts curriculum. I love the idea that a student can take a couple of years to explore a variety of subjects before finding his/her specialty. At the same time, university is 3X more expensive than when I went. The pressure to make the studies count, to not waste time on unnecessary courses, and to live a debt-free life as quickly as possible all combine to undermine the classic liberal education model. Honestly, many students probably should veer towards trade schools, apprenticeships, or even military service after high school. However, I hope the liberal arts remain for some. In an age where analysis and calculation rule, we need some broader thought and beauty to temper us.
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    If not BYU, then what college to send the kids to?

    @anatess2 Even as a fresh-out-of-college elementary school teacher I remember the workbooks offering Remedial and Enrichment options. If I knew a student was struggling I could give him/her the remedial problems. He got to the same place, but the problems were more broken down, and built to the ultimate learning goal in smaller steps. The enrichment option would allow students who already grasped the material a chance to reflect or apply more. I understand the BYU has religion classes tailored for those who are non-members. I suspect that the basic material is the same, but that instructors do not assume a certain background that members have (i.e. no seminary in high school). Some college students only want the basics--especially their first two years. Others want to go deeper. How is that bad?
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    If not BYU, then what college to send the kids to?

    I'm old school and went to school to become wiser, or at least more knowledgeable. My college did not give credit for AP classes, but I was allowed to take a sophomore composition class rather than a freshman one. Did it help me get job? Probably not. I liked it better though. It was more challenging. For me, that was enough. Likewise, students who enroll in honors college programs aren't looking for an extra $10K+ salary, or even a place in the employment line closer to the front. They want smaller classes and deeper learning. The better education may make them more marketable, but, if not, they learn more and can appreciate life on a bit deeper of a level. That may not be so practical or pragmatic, but I wouldn't say it was stupid either.
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    What LGBTQ+ hath wrot

    SHHH!!! They don't all know that @prisonchaplain is a Gentile...and a clergymen. ... I can see it now: Meet T H E A B O M I N A B L E P R I S O N C H A P L A I N ! ! ! ๐Ÿ™‚
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    World Series 2019

    Wait ... the Mariners didn't make it this year???
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    If not BYU, then what college to send the kids to?

    I only have my own and my daughters' experiences to go on. High school honors classes mainly served to weed out trouble-maker students, back in my day. The lazy kids thought it was more work so they would not sign up. Since the teachers had more motivated students to work with we tended to get better quality discussions and material. As for my daughters, they all participated in Cambridge Preparatory programs. Since the curriculum is standardized and teachers have some training to use it, the material tends to be more rigorous. My oldest found herself very well prepared for college after experiencing those courses. I suspect that the more common IB program is similar. As for colleges, I imagine it depends heavily on the particular institution. The ones I have read about promise smaller classes, more mentoring, more discussions, and some group projects. One program we are looking into, at a small Christian college, has a scholar cohort, and a separate budget for trips and experiences they will take (students pay no extra). In addition, those who qualify get the best merit scholarships. So @Vort's buyer-beware admonition is solid--examine any program to determine if the work level and extra cost are worth it. I would just suggest that they often are.
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    Impeachment witch hunt.

    Even more dangerous for them is that if a President is removed from office in a manner that most people (yes, especially independents moderates) consider partisan and overreaching, then they may punish the perpetrators in the next election cycle.
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    If not BYU, then what college to send the kids to?

    A few more ideas: 1. If the child has a strong high school record, wants to go to college, but not a highly religious school, then some state schools offer low tuition and various "honors college" programs. We're looking at Southwest Minnesota State University. They charge no extra out-of-state tuition and have an honors college. I believe their tuition/room/board rate is around $17K a year, and it's not to difficult to get $2500-$3000 per year scholarships. That brings the price down to less than it would cost to get a 1-bedroom apartment in South King County, WA. 2. Military service. This is honorable, can offer some free college courses and tuition subsidies. Also, veterans have preference for all federal jobs. 3. Law enforcement. Police departments, TSA, jails and prisons, etc. are all recruiting hard and heavy in our area. Many police departments are offering near-six-figures. My facility just approved a bonus for all staff so we won't be tempted to change agencies. 4. AmeriCorps, or something similar. It's low-pay, but often offers college subsidies and great experience.
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    For Pam: Hobby Lobby

    Hobby Lobby, IKEA, Home Depot ... any massive shopping venue really ... oh the suffering of the male species. Perhaps this is why God allowed internet shopping to arise?
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    What LGBTQ+ hath wrot

    This seems as good a place as any to throw out my semi-related theory on just what happened in the U.S. How is it that 2/3rds opposition to gay marriage became 2/3rds support (thus, according to OP, leading to things like supervisors seducing young staff into joining a throuple)? My sense is that those who flipped from opposed to supportive are conservative in the law & order & stability vein. So, once SCOTUS said that gay marriage was a basic human right, allegedly assured in the U.S. Constitution, then a good number of opponents shifted to the new social consensus. If the highest court says this is the way it is then this is the way it is. These are the same ones that say, "Just bake the cake." They are also the ones who opposed Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, because he violated the law (Jim Crow laws banning People of Color from sitting in White-designated areas). This dilemma will not be resolved by conservatism or liberalism. What we need is, "Thus sayeth the LORD..."
  20. I'm willing to admit that American culture is inferior to that of the country's that hosted my missionary experience--at least on the issue of political commentary. For some reason I continue to fail to understand, we look to actors and athletes for economic and political policy wisdom. In Korea they tend to interview...err...cough...professors of major universities. Granted, the experts aren't always right. However, I suspect that they tend to be more right than actors and athletes. Just sayin' . . .
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    Worship in a different church church is on the traditional end of the the pastor would be dressed that way. ๐Ÿ˜
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    Worship in a different church

    A little over a year ago I had the opportunity to join a few 10-thousands of LDS members in worship. The church rented Safeco Field (or it may have been Centurylink), and I got an invite by one of our officers to join him and his family. President Nelson spoke, as did a few other leaders. The music was classic hymns, and the messages were delivered in a conversational style, with messaging that could easily have been accepted in most Evangelical congregations. Participants seemed so pleased to hear from church leaders live. Perhaps the most interesting aspect was that, despite the venue and presence of dignitaries, the service felt like what I suppose happens most Sundays in wards. The lack of need for special effects etc. was impressive. People went to hear leaders speak and to have church--not to be entertained or "wow-d." So... have you ever been to a non-LDS service, and what were your impressions?
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    Worship in a different church

    I'm probably stating the obvious, but @Fether's video was probably from a United Pentecostal Church service or conference (they are Pentecostal and dress conservative)...and the music was dubbed in ... We all knew this, right? ๐Ÿคจ
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    Worship in a different church

    Music in the church is a matter of constant conversation. Elders nearly always believe the music of the young is shallow, flippant, irreverent and downright unworthy. Then it becomes the standard fare, and a new generation comes up to find that what had been cutting-edge, energizing, and deeply moving has become stale and only barely tolerable. My church offers 'blended worship,' and when the older hymns and choruses are sung, what a joy to see our elders light up. Likewise, when a new song that resonates well is rendered, I imagine the elders are pleased to see our youth really enter in to the worship. @Traveler does well to call for a discerning. To me the question is simple. Does the music glorify God and point us toward Him, or does it merely offer fun and seem overly centered on the artists?
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    Worship in a different church

    Welcome to the Worship Wars. Most large churches decided a couple of decades ago that there was a crisis amongst the young, and that all efforts must be made to retain. Let the elders grit their teeth. They are mature, and can deal. We must keep the youngins! Still, as a pastor, before I would say the music interrupted the Spirit--or the worship--I would want to see what most in the congregation are doing. Are the 'rockin' to the tunes? Are they being entertained? Or...are they worshipping. It is sometimes amazing to hear music I consider a bit much, but then to see most--yes, especially the young--lifting hands to the heavens, mouthing the words, with apparent adoration of the LORD as their countenances. Then I look to the words, and often they are actually sound and solid and deep. Sometimes it is hard to discern...especially when there seem to be fingernails rubbing against chalkboards.