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Questions About Records Being Transferred
Carborendum replied to Manners Matter's topic in General Discussion
I'm confused. You said that you want a fresh start. You say you WANT the old ward to know where you went? Wouldn't a "fresh start" mean that you DON'T want the old ward to know where you are? What am I missing? It seems to me that if you just have the new ward request the records, the old ward will be GONE. Poof! Fresh start. Your record does not contain a history of all your callings. Your record is basically your vital stats (name, birthdate, etc.) and a list of ordinances that you've received. -
I'm going to be moving and I'm wondering a couple things: 1 - What all is included in the records that are sent to the new unit (ie how long I was in each ward/branch, what callings I've had, etc)? Basically, what will the new leaders already know about me? I've been curious but have never known. 2 - I'm tired of my current ward clerk knowing my business (he's overstepped at times) and I'd prefer he didn't know where I'm going to be. I know I can reach out to the new ward clerk when I get there and have him request my records but will this make it so the current one is unaware of where I am or is there no way around this? (I know this may seem odd but I want a fresh start and it would feel more like that if I were able to cut ties in the way I prefer).
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if you want some sweet watermelon, send me your address. I've still got plenty of seeds.
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In the phrase "Hear Him"...who is "Him"?
askandanswer replied to carlimac's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
I think you should hear whoever is speaking. I think that I share @Carborendum's view that the only time the Father has actually spoken is when He has introduced His son. If that is the only time we hear Him, there wouldn't really be much to listen to. I think that when we perceive communication from the Holy Ghost, whether or not it is heard or felt or nudged, the content of the communication is not from the Holy Ghost, it is only conveyed through the Holy Ghost and does not originate from him. We should definetely seek to perceive that communication, but I don't think we should consider him as the originator of the content of the communication. I suspect that the question may be complicated by the occasional tendency for people to refer to Jesus as the Father. If Christ is both the Father and the Son, as some passages in the Book of Mormon seems to suggest, then when we hear Him, we hear the Father and the Son. -
It’s funny- I worked for a Botany department for 10 years. Never had any interest in garden then, before or after. But my daughter 6/7 has really gotten into it since the pandemic hit. I humored her buying some flowers last spring, figuring they keep her busy for a week, then be forgotten. No! She diligently tended and loved those things all through the summer until winter death came. Last week, a school teacher gave her a seed in a cup, and once again, my 7 year old is a diligent gardener. I’m going to need to pick out some new things to grow I’m the backyard this year
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In the phrase "Hear Him"...who is "Him"?
bytebear replied to carlimac's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
It seem fairly simple to me. God the Father is too glorious for us to behold, so Jesus acts as a filter, but then again, he has a physical body, so cannot be everywhere at once, and appears in specific instances, when necessary, so the Holy Ghost acts as the conduit for us to feel the presence of God. But we communicate to the Father, and the response is from the Father, but manifested through the Holy Ghost. -
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I think Joseph wept for Zion when they were cast out of Missouri. But I don't think the Zion in this verse is the same Zion as later in the revelations. For a year Joseph's revelations encouraged believers to establish Zion and establish the cause of Zion (see D&C 6, 11, 12, and 14). This was before the revelation on the gathering to Zion; it was before the inspired translation of Genesis that would describe Enoch's Zion. So what is this cause of Zion Joseph was occupied with, that kept showing up in his revelations? And would this phrase have any meaning to his contemporaries?
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We need more snow. (Three of 4 brothers - the other is taking the picture) I will leave it for the observer - which is me. The Traveler
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You should be fine. As long as you start them inside until the true leaves form, then you should have no problem with a full 90+ day growing season. You only need 75 days of 70+ degree weather (high of the day) nights above 40, and a total of around 85 to 90 days. Hints: 1) Lots of nitrogen until you see blossoms form. 2) Add more potassium and phosphorus once the flowers appear. 3) Once the melons get as big as a cantaloupe, spread about a Tbsp of epsom salt around the radius of the plant. You should dissolve them in a gallon of water and pour it around. LOTS of water. But try to water in the mid to late morning so the leaves don't fet fungus. But that may not be a problem in Utah.
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So, I found out that there was nothing wrong with the seeds. I had simply planted them too deep for most of them to pop up. I learned that the best result is if I bury them vertically with the point downward, and the top just barely below the surface. I've been getting better results now. About the winter, not only are all my old citrus trees dead, but one of my nectarines apparently died. Do not buy the "Desert Dawn" nectarine. Here's why. I did some research to find all varieties of free stone nectarines with low chill hours. The Desert Dawn had only 200 chill hours. That was a shoe in for Texas weather. No problem getting those chill hours here (average 300-350). The problem is the Groundhog Effect. 200 hours is so low that the tree blossoms during the first thaw. Then the flowers all die during the dip. Other trees dont blossom until after the dip. So they're fine. Maybe I should get a cold frame for that tree alone (if I replace it with the same variety). I figured out a pretty cheap way to make a cold frame. So it wouldn't be such a big deal. PVC and plastic wrap. But the nature of nectarine trees is that they are wide and short. We'll see if it gets too wide to make my frames effective.
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Conclusions from D&C 132: 16 - 17?
Carborendum replied to askandanswer's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
It appears that you're not familiar with something we tend to hold in high esteem. They're called the 10 Commandments. Let me teach you the first one: I guess they don't teach those to you where you're from. We teach them all the time and abide by them. So we would never WORSHIP any other gods. We do not SERVE any other gods. But apparently, you're open to it. I wonder who would have taught you such a notion. It certainly isn't an LDS teaching. Another one you may be unfamiliar with is: You know, being forthright and honest in all your dealings with your fellow men. It's definitely something I'd recommend to anyone. It makes for much better communication and helps in the learning process. And of course all these things are also covered in the Savior's two great commandments: Love the Lord; Love your fellow men. -
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8 Yea, his weeping for Zion I have seen, and I will cause that he shall mourn for her no longer; for his days of rejoicing are come unto the aremission of his sins, and the manifestations of my blessings upon his works. This revelation was given in April 1830. In this revelation, God told Joseph that "I (God) will cause that he (Joseph) shall mourn for her (Zion) no longer." Does this mean that after April 1830, Joseph no longer mourned for Zion?
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At least in my grandparents’ view—our involvement in Europe was mostly a businesslike “oh, I suppose we’d better go and help our English cousins out, and if that puts us in conflict with the Germans then let’s just get it done”. But the Japanese—they had done a sneak attack against us, it was personal, and the Yanks were out for revenge. My grandmother always insisted that the *real* necessity of the internment camps was to protect ethnic Japanese from mob violence. It’s easy, in hindsight, to chalk it all up to racism; and that was probably part of it. But it seems like to our ancestors, the way we got into conflict with each nation, mattered very much.
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Short answer - it varies. Nothing always stays the same, so sometimes it is easy and sometimes it is hard. And sometimes what is hard for one person will be easy for another and vice-versa. And sometimes, for the same person, what was once easy can become hard, and vice-versa.
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Should L.D.S. support rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple?
DennisTate replied to DennisTate's topic in Jewish Beliefs Board
Now things are starting to get really, really, really interesting!!! It is NO COINCIDENCE THAT YOU NOW HAVE A BYU CAMPUS IN JERUSALEM AND.... there are rumours of their being TWO ARKS OF THE COVENANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My suggestion is a WIN - WIN - WIN - WIN - WIN - WIN SCENARIO WHERE LATTER DAY SAINTS LED BY STUDENTS AND FACULTY AT BYU IN JERUSALEM MAKE A PROPOSED TREATY TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL.... AS WELL AS TO THE PALESTINIANS... AS WELL AS TO THE ENTIRE ISLAMIC WORLD... AS WELL AS TO ALL EIGHT BILLION RESIDENTS OF THIS PLANET!!!!!!???? -
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Conclusions from D&C 132: 16 - 17?
Jane_Doe replied to askandanswer's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
Your questions here are straight up trolling, giving lots of evidence that you’re not interested in truth and Christianity. I’m sorry, but my patience for it is gone. -
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What would you think and say? Is being a Saint of G-d (Devoted Disciple of Christ) difficult (hear impossible) or easy (anyone can do it)? I would be most interested in what is found to be difficult or easy and for how long have you been at it? The Traveler
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Here is my observation as an engineer and scientist. If you are not willing to "pay" the price for truth in the here and now and for every here and now moving forward - you will most likely end up quite lost and confused - whether you ever come to realize it or not. The scripture reference to such is to be blown about with every wind of doctrine. I wish you well in your journey and if I can assist you in your quest for truth - I will do so as best I can. Many years ago I was given divine instruction of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon but have ended up in the years that have followed in a constant quest trying to figure out and understand the treasures (often hidden - or needing spiritual assistance) to be discovered. The Traveler
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Take your own advice and read it all and then decide for yourself. Also, there is a story in the Bible that might help, it is about Jonah.
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Yep, very relevant thoughts, and you nail why my dad despised the Japanese people. My father had no shortage of good character traits, but nope, he never availed himself of any healing balms of forgiveness. Once he had a grudge, he nursed and grew it for a lifetime. I remember growing up in the '70's, we'd often go to one of the various American Legion buildings for burgers. A place my dad could go where he was surrounded by people who felt, acted, and talked like him. Everyone was ticked off about women in the workforce taking men's jobs, nobody liked blacks or the Japanese, everyone was suspicious that someone might be a homosexual. For whatever reason though, nobody had any hard feelings about the Germans. I suppose they were so thoroughly beaten, and the occupation had lasted so long and involved so many Americans, that there was sort of a shared cultural understanding between Americans and the German people, US military and the regular German infantry. The more I think about those years and my upbringing, the more amazed I am that so much of it simply didn't stick. The hatred and prejudices just never rubbed off on me, I was offended by them even before I was baptized. Anyway, I hope to someday read Dr. Seuss to my grandkids.
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Aside from the baptism you mentioned, is there another proxied ordinance mentioned in Doctrine and Covenants that helps one inherit the celestial kingdom?
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@CV75 explained it a few posts later.
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To God or to the gods mentioned in that section?
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I am still reading it and will decide when I have read it all.
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Going on a slight side-tangent. I cannot speak on everything, but that is something that I can understand to a degree, especially for those from older generations. The Japanese should be treated with the respect we give to any other individual. That was hard for many in the past. During World War 2 the Japanese attacked the United States of America. The War with them brought great suffering. Certain things became more scarce during the war than they were during the Great Depression even. There was rationing. Fortunately, many in the U.S. were united in a common cause and bore these trials. More occurred though. I have an Uncle I never knew as well as a cousin. Both died in the Pacific. That can be a heavy thing. When you have relatives that were killed by another nation, hard feelings arise. To put it into context, there have been about as many who have died from Covid-19 as did in World War 2. Many of us know others who have died from it (I have had several friends and acquaintances die from it thus far, though it may be my age group is more greatly affected by it). Imagine, if one can, that it was not an invisible disease that caused these deaths, but other people from a hostile nation that were killing your friends and relatives. How would that make you feel towards those people. There was great grief and great anger. As I said, this affected me personally to a degree, though ironically I also had relatives who fought on both sides (Axis and Allies), my direct family were in the U.S. and were loyal patriots. I was born after the War and so never got to know that Uncle or cousin that died during the War. I saw the affect it had. Hard feelings arise from those situations. Those hard feelings can also be passed down to children. My uncle suffered a particularly horrible death at the hands of the Japanese in World War 2. It affected my family deeply. The death of my cousin was not something that was easy to accept either, but that was easier to accept how they died than my uncle. There are some I do not think ever got over it. To understand the depths of the pain that the death caused could help explain why some cannot get over such things. In some ways, just talking about those who killed or hurt you is like a curse word. Such pain can be transferred to your children as well. One of the several great balms of the gospel is that of forgiving. Forgiveness can be hard, especially when trying to forgive those who did great harm to friends or relatives. One of my Father's great fears was dealing with my Son-in-Law who is a Japanese-American. He was afraid of how the rest of the family would react to my daughter marrying someone of Japanese descent. I am happy to say that after these many decades, forgiveness truly is a great gift. It is not that my son-in-law is responsible for the actions of the Japanese in any way. He had no part in that war long ago. But, it was a forgiveness of the pain that is seen connected to the Japanese people that gave the balm and enabled my family to be able to interact with those of that descent later. My son-in-law is a wonderful person. He is terrific for my daughter and I am glad he is part of our family. The gospel (even for those who are not members, but read the words of the Lord and follow them) offers a wonderful message in it's message of repentance, forgiveness, and peace. It is not always easy. However, we are better people for it and sometimes it offers a greater gift by following it if we heed it. I know that it has brought this miracle to my family and we have been greatly blessed by our interactions with my son-in-law. But I can also understand those who do not have that message or struggle with it. Bitter feelings can be hard to overcome, especially with things such as occurred during World War 2. That entire generation and their children suffered from it, and many still have a hard time with things that occurred during that war (well, of my generation and for those who are still alive of our parents generation). Some may never overcome that bitterness and anger. I love my son-in-law and my daughter. I love my grandchildren. I have learned a great deal from them and am grateful for them. I cherish that family. I can understand those that may not have been so blessed as I have though.
