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The applepansy link to "Kathryn's Blog" appears now to point to an apparently antiMormon blog, almost empty save for a link to an antiMormon video. Anyone know what's up with the blog link and/or Sister Skaggs?
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Yes, the whole piece has that sultry-tone to it due to the story itself.
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Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain
Suzie replied to Fether's topic in General Discussion
I have lived in different countries with diverse demographics. Maybe one day I will start a thread discussing my findings, but the impact that culture and traditions have in certain races and ethnicities cannot be ignored. Just last week, talking casually about the Royals with an acquaintance I was accused of being racist because I said Meghan Markle's body language during the Oprah interview showed signs of deception. I didn't get upset... I laughed because that's what I do when I hear something absolutely and ridiculously absurd. -
I just found a YouTube clip of a concert she did in Hamburg where she sang it. It seems like a much "lighter" performance (in a good way--less sultry, more playfulness).
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Another goodie is the waltz from The Merry Widow: https://youtu.be/DmlQnJREkJY This is wonderful. Rest in peace Hvorostovsky, a spectacular voice.
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I love the harmonies on this piece; the product is exquisitely lovely. One of the interesting things about opera is that a lot of songs turn out to be (lyrically) not nearly so highbrow, and even at times rather unimaginative when translated into English. This is one of them (as I understand it they’re basically saying “come down into the pond and swim with us” over and over, or somesuch thing). This is my favorite part, my eyes water when I hear it... so profound and moving : Suivons le courant fuyant Dans l’onde frémissante D’une main nonchalante Viens, gagnons le bord, Où la source dort et L’oiseau, l’oiseau chante. Basically, yes Lakmé and her servant Mallika are picking up flowers as they get ready for a bath in the river. I think it is Lakmé who describes the beauty of nature which surrounds them , particularly beautiful flowers such as roses, jasmine and the like. I love this piece, it is such an elegant aria! Habanera is another of those songs (link below, conducted by the matchless Gustavo Dudamel, whose hair I could watch all day) YES! I love this piece (did you hear Maria Callas' version? Unbeatable!). Gustavo's hair is always distracting to me. He needs to shave it off.
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Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain
NeedleinA replied to Fether's topic in General Discussion
Thought of your post @mordorbund when I saw this. -
Another goodie is the waltz from The Merry Widow: https://youtu.be/DmlQnJREkJY
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I love the harmonies on this piece; the product is exquisitely lovely. One of the interesting things about opera is that a lot of songs turn out to be (lyrically) not nearly so highbrow, and even at times rather unimaginative when translated into English. This is one of them (as I understand it they’re basically saying “come down into the pond and swim with us” over and over, or somesuch thing). Habanera is another of those songs (link below, conducted by the matchless Gustavo Dudamel, whose hair I could watch all day): https://youtu.be/f1mRlTJiJH4
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The second great commandment in the law
Manners Matter replied to Fether's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
No - you didn't catch where I said that "the receiver should see the effort and the giver should try to adjust the language they're speaking". Anyway - as to your examples. A different approach is warranted. With Amy, a 'love sandwich' would probably be better than a straight out, to-the-point approach. For example, "I really care about you and want the best for you. I'm concerned about this habit and where it could lead. I'm ready and willing to help however I can. Again, I love you and see so much potential in you". haven't read all the responses so pardon me if this backtracks - just wanted to respond since I was tagged - Yesterday
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None of us do my friend. And if anyone says they do, run.
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I have read this thread with interest. I have my own views of love that seems to vary from many ideas expressed in this thread. Anciently there were multiple words in scripture that all get translated into the English word "Love". This indicates to me that there are different levels, kinds or types of love. One of the kinds of love was referred to in scripture as charity - and the Apostle Paul expands on this concept of charity in 1 Corinthians 13. Paul's concept of Charity has been expanded by Latter-day Prophets as the "Pure Love of Christ". I am not sure that I understand the pure love of Christ. There are many things that puzzle me. However, I am entirely convinced that emotional connections to others (heart throbs) are not the divine expressions of love. All my life I have struggled with love as an emotion. My eternal wife and partner tells me that I have never experienced emotional love and that is why I have never had my heart broken. Generally it has been my observation that when someone "follows" their heart that they are in for a train wreck and they will get their emotions broken. For the record I do not believes tears are the result of a broken heart - One can have tears and their heart (emotions) remain in tact. I am of the mind that all questions of love that are addressed in this thread are the result of not understanding the pure love of Christ. @Fetherput forth perhaps one of the greatest problems in not understand the pure love of Christ. The greatest gift that G-d has given to man is our Agency. We like to think it is the Plan of Salvation but our Agency was a greater act of love. At least this is according to my understanding of Charity or the pure love of Christ. This means that despite that many may choose to sin via their Agency that we support their agency more than we reject the desire to sin. Thus it is only an act of love to help someone overcome sin; if and only if, they choose to overcome sin as an exercise of their agency. This concept of Agency, I believe, is directly related to the pure love of Christ. I will not pretend that I can answer all the questions - I struggle with a lot of this myself - especially when dealing with my children and grandchildren. Often I am convinced that in most cases when someone withdraws from their covenants with G-d (which I believe is the definition of wickedness) that such is done because, as Jesus said on the cross, "That they do not know what they are doing." Therefore, they, as was Eve, beguiled and not intending to rebel (act out of wickedness) against G-d. For sure - in this life we live by faith and not knowledge and therefore, I believe that many things can be repented of and forgiven in the spirit world. Otherwise there would be no need for a spirit world. The Traveler
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You guys both make great points, totally valid. There is a huge difference between what both of you said and those who just make stupid jokes about therapy based out fear and ignorance. You are both 100% correct.
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Or coffee. Or any other number of things. I don't feel the need to point out to Saints that they are sinning. They already know. HOWEVER, as an adult convert, I. can tell you that it was extremely confusing to see Saints openly drinking beer, coffee, or other things as though it were normal and still tell others how to be good Saints. I have zero problem pointing out to others that a person's example may not be the best to follow. It drove me nuts and made things difficult. It was worse on this forum when other Saints didn't call it out. It's confusing and not exactly in the spirit of ministry.
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Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain
NeedleinA replied to Fether's topic in General Discussion
Bingo! We sold our home and moved to a different school district 4 years ago. We home schooled our kids until Middle-School. We have one home schooler left and the other two are in a very conservative school district for now. @person0 I hope my last post didn't come off as something directed at 'you' specifically... it was generic. I tried to edit/clarify it just in case. -
Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain
person0 replied to Fether's topic in General Discussion
Well, my wife and I took our kids out of the public school system and are homeschooling them, that is the action we have taken. There is some expansion in the works on that to create a local homeschool co-op. I would suggest one of the most effective things that could be done would be for people to leave the public school system en masse. Then you have complete control over what is being taught to your children, and the principles of the Constitution and liberty can be instilled within them at home. -
Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain
NeedleinA replied to Fether's topic in General Discussion
What are conservatives establishing as of late? What 'action' are conservatives willing to actually do about issues facing us as a nation OR are 'we' (myself included) sitting on the sidelines neutralized simply watching things play out? Every time I see a parent stand up at a School board meeting and voice their concerns over issues like CRT, I witness some glimmer of hope. We need more of this, more action. Are you (generic you), are we members of the Church? Want a kick to the groin? (of course!) President Ezra Taft Benson said: -
That said: our minds do irrational things when we are consumed by guilt (and by extension, rationalization and self-justification) over our choices. We lash out, we think we see judgment where it isn’t really there, we become obsessed with getting forms of validation that we shouldn’t reasonably expect from others. If I’m spiritually going off the deep end, it’s entirely possible for someone to do everything right in their approach to me—and for me to still dismiss them as an overbearing, judgmental putz and to shut them out of my life. In my mind, that’s what perdition is—in Spanish and Portuguese “perder” means “to lose (something)”. A person in perdition is, literally, lost to us. Thought-provoking post JAG and very true (in its entirely). I always remind others that the way someone behaves towards them (depending on the circumstances) shouldn't be taken personal because in many occasions it is actually a reflection of how they view themselves. Forgiving ourselves isn't always a straight and easy path but a journey with baby steps. Ultimately, all of us make choices and we can only do our best to love, support, understand and share each other's burdens.
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Loving this extraordinary piece.
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Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain
person0 replied to Fether's topic in General Discussion
Because of the modern social climate fostered by the organizations and individuals who support and sustain CRT, they have established real and actionable institutional power for minority races (black in particular), and have implemented Affirmative Action which is by definition "a system of advantage based on race". Therefore, an interesting thing about this new-fangled definition of racism is that, in acquiring the power and influence to re-define the word racism and institute Affirmative Action, minority proponents of CRT have exerted "social and institutional power" and unintentionally defined themselves into perpetrators of racism. -
That is a simplified version of my question. If I were to answer it now, I would say that to love someone is both to care for them in your heart and to do things that show that love to them as long as it stays within the bounds of the gospel. I think having the other person actually feel your love is a (not THE) fruit of whether you love them or not. So when we are expressing love to another it is, at least, worth our time to consider their response and decide if what we did was really loving them. Again, a negative response is not a sign that you don’t love them, it’s just worth our time to use that as a sign for introspection of some sort
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The second great commandment in the law
NeuroTypical replied to Fether's topic in LDS Gospel Discussion
This scripture has had two profound impacts on me. First, I figure it is deeply intertwined with the commandment to "forgive all men". From that standpoint, fulfilling the commandment can be a largely internal effort. Basically, before I speak or vote on this or that issue, about this or that person or group, God commands me to come to the public square full of as much love for my opponent that I can crowbar into myself. I figure it needs to be Christlike love. When dealing with someone unlovable, the best advice I ever got was to picture them as a temple worker helping me through a session. Holy crap can that be hard, but I've always found it absolutely worth the effort. We are all brothers and sisters, inheritors of a divine birthright, everyone has that potential and capacity to be a better disciple of Christ than I fancy myself to be. No matter how wrong, dumb, or evil they may actually be right now. I need to see that in them. Second, the "as thyself" part is also a commandment and sometimes a burden. People who hate and harm themselves do not get a free pass to treat others similarly. It's a commandment to love thyself the right way, and then love others that way too. -
Did you read Leviticus 19? Lets stay on topic. Instead of casting out a slew of topics like depression, fear, sadness, and joy. Lets talk about love. What did Christ actually mean when He made the statement? How did Christ love, teach, persuade, punish, etc. In your example of Amy & Tim the alcohol drinkers, the best advice would be: D&C 121:41-46
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It never crossed my mind to interpret "love your neighbor" as an verb, not a noun. When you love(verb) them, it is when you serve them, be there for them, and connect with them. Loving(verb) someone requires knowing what they want/need. Only after you love(verb) them, will you have love(noun) for them. That is actually extremely profound to me
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But this is the key to the question. When we are told to love our neighbor, is that commandment followed entirely in our heart, and when we say "I love this person" we are done? Or can how someone feels reacts to our actions give us insight into how we can love them more? I understand facts to don't care about feelings, but feelings are still part of the human experience. There are far too many scriptures, ensign articles and talks given about depression, anxiety, fear, sadness, joy, etc. to suggest feelings and emotions are not important to keep in mind when learning to be Christlike. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2016/02/depression?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2013/10/like-a-broken-vessel?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2019/10/31aburto?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/tg/despair?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/tg/sorrow?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/tg/fear?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/tg/joy?lang=eng But from what I am understanding from you, is that the commandment to love your neighbor is accomplished in your heart. As far as expressing that love, that is done case by case. Am I understanding you right? Like you mentioned above, it is not our responsibility to point out everyone's sins. But there are many that feel that doing so IS an expression of true love. If people like that have such blind spots in their understanding, could it be that you and I have blind spots as well? My question following that is can how our neighbor responds to that expression of love give us insight as to how we can improve that love? Or grow in understanding of what it means to love the neighbor?
