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  2. GaleG

    A Gospel that Crushes?

    Does this mean Christ's grace will only be sufficient for me at the end of my journey?
  3. mikbone

    Men as Providers

    /sigh First do some basic research. Average IQ is 100. One standard deviation is +\- 15 I value my work ethic and wisdom over my raw brain power. And I’d rather hang out with my 6 year old than a bunch of neurosurgeons on their 3rd or 4th wife with their irritating self righteous banter...
  4. The Folk Prophet

    Baby, it's cold outside

    Whereas this is one interpretation of it -- and in today's world perhaps an obvious one -- growing up I never read that into it. Wanting to extend an evening with a girl I'm dating who feels like she needs to go is something I experienced when dating several times. Sex wasn't the issue. The joke doesn't have to be made dirty, even if the writer intended it to be that way originally.
  5. anatess2

    Men as Providers

    Having more male geniuses than female geniuses IS NOT THE REASON YOU HAVE GENDER DISPARITY IN ENGINEERING, MEDICINE, AND LAW. Insisting that it is after evidence is shown to the contrary is sexist! I can argue without hurling an insult. But you insult my intelligence ("you don't know engineering", "I don't care about your pedigree"), it's a free for all, open season.
  6. anatess2

    Men as Providers

    Calling it as it is and hurling it right back at you. You started the insult with "you're just a coder, you don't know engineering" drivel.
  7. anatess2

    Men as Providers

    Everything. I told you, intelligence is not the reason for the disparity between the abundance of male engineers to female engineers. The drop-out rate in Engineering School (where Engineers are made) proves it. You disagreed. You are wrong.
  8. boxer

    Men as Providers

    Actually, I got the statistics on intelligence from Jordan Peterson. More male geniuses than female geniuses-FACT. More male dunces than female dunces-FACT. How am I being "sexist"? More insults. You can't argue without hurling an insult. I'm just curious why it is that you are personalizing my comments. You are taking my comments about facts and making them apply to you-which I have not done. (sidenote: this is actually a typical male/female thing . . .which is why the only female I actually like "arguing" with is my wife, b/c she understand me and I understand her . . .after years of this exact same crap). And with that, I am bowing out. I'm realizing the futility of having meaningful arguments with the opposite sex on the internet . . . the whole male/female thing-yeah it's real. Good luck-you win.
  9. boxer

    Men as Providers

    There you go with an insult again. What does "dropping out" have to do with anything? I never said woman engineers were less intelligent than male engineers . . .sigh. pointless.
  10. Stargater53

    Exaltation And Sons of Perdition: How Many?

    Perhaps, but I believe Judas was a son of perdition. First, Jesus said he was a son of perdition. In John 17, he prayed, "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." Two, Judas saw the miracles Jesus performed and knew of his identity as the Messiah. And Jesus said, "but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born." Then Judas, which betrayed Him, answered and said, "Master, is it I?" To which Jesus replied, "Thou hast said." (Matthew 26:24-25. That sounds like a son of perdition to me. Some have said that Peter denied Jesus because he didn't have full knowledge of who Jesus was, and though that sounds reasonable on its face, Peter never betrayed Jesus. I can appreciate why some, like Elder McConkie, would want to sympathize with Judas to a degree, but I'm assuming Jesus was familiar with the term "son of perdition," as we are. And Peter also applies the title to the Son of Perdition who will be Gog, the one who attacks Israel during the battle of Armageddon. (See Acts 3:18-21, where Peter calls him, "the man of sin, the son of perdition"). Gog will be a son of perdition because he can read, and he can see the divine warning in Ezekiel 38-39. In the same manner, Judas was warned and forewarned. Yet he betrayed Jesus knowingly. And that's why I think he's a son of perdition.
  11. clbent04

    Warning in my Patriarchal Blessing

    This is what happens when you trigger the @The Folk Prophet. You better just bend over and let him bite you cause you're gonna get it one way or another.
  12. anatess2

    Men as Providers

    That is not the issue. The issue is you underestimate the intelligence of Women. And that's what TRUE Feminism is supposed to do. To fight sexists like you.
  13. anatess2

    Men as Providers

    If you think I'm using emotion over logic you would be... wrong. Coder, remember? Like I said... stop smoking out of your butt. You want to be an Engineer? You better be able to support your statements. My main source of this info is Jordan B. Peterson's lecture series. I'm not gonna bore you with linking the 2 hour video on this thread. But I'll go ahead and cut-and-paste the relevant Wikipedia entry just because I'm feeling generous. Analyses of males' and females' grades revealed that, on average, women who had dropped out of engineering programs were either approximately as qualified or even more qualified than their male peers who continued their studies. Additionally, surveyed female dropouts revealed that very few (approximately 9.8% to 11.5%) actually dropped out because they viewed the work as too difficult.[17][21] Among their primary reasons for dropping were: loss of interest in the field, the inability to see themselves as professional engineers, inappropriate behavior from male peers, and the highly pressured environment professional engineers worked under. .[23] [17] Seymour, Elaine. "The Loss of Women from Science, Mathematics, and Engineering Undergraduate Majors: An Explanatory Account." Science Education 79.4 (1995) [21] Seymour, Elaine. "The Role of Socialization in Shaping the Career-Related Choices of Undergraduate Women in Science, Mathematics, and Engineering Majors." Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences 869 (1999): 118-26. [23] Cuny, Janice, and William Aspray. "Recruitment and Retention of Women Graduate Students in Computer Science and Engineering." ACM SIGCSE Bulletin 34.2 (2002): 168.
  14. Jane_Doe

    Kindness & the Internet

    Hi @MaryJehanne, it's great to see you again! Love, gentleness, listening, humility. First few offenses, speak kindly the message to the gist of "X kind of rude. I'd like to have a polite conversation, can we work in that direction?" If it become clear the other person is just an aggressive jerk that can't be reasoned with: hit the "ignore" button. I don't need that toxicity in my life. I hear you there! I have the same struggles regularly. Some places (like YouTube comments) it's just best to avoid those toxic pits.
  15. MaryJehanne

    Kindness & the Internet

    Hey, everyone! (I'm hoping this will be more of a candid, lighthearted thread!) What does kindness mean to you? What do you do when someone's aggressive or rude to you? I have a lot of trouble when people are offensive, which is something I've been trying to work on. When someone's rude, mean, or dismissive, I tend to take it to heart, deeply. Especially lately, I'm now trying to take a deep breath, let things go, and not let it effect how I feel about myself... which can be hard. Especially in the world of the web, most notably things like YouTube comments, I'm continually shocked by how uncaring and harsh people can be. And this isn't to bash people, of course. All of us have had moments where it's hard not to say something biting. I was wondering how you all deal with unkind or difficult people, and how you manage it online?
  16. boxer

    Men as Providers

    Right dude, you under-estimate your own IQ. It absolutely requires high intellect. Average IQ is like 80. That is the average. People who graduate with a bachelor's degree's average IQ is around 100, master's degree 110+, PhD over 120. You really underestimate what it takes to get an MD/JD, etc. You are actually really intelligent. Hard work absolutely cannot make-up for sub-optimal intelligence. Hard work can overcome some difference, if you take a hardworker with some intelligence and a lazy person with more intelligence, but when the average IQ is 80, no amount of hard work from a person who has an IQ of 80 is ever going to compete with someone of 110+ IQ. Just not gonna happen. And you really don't know how smart and blessed you are b/c of your intellect until you've dealt with the average. And most people who are MDs, engineers, etc. b/c of the circles they run in do not interact with people who are much lower than them on the IQ scale. And this is the thing that blows me away. .. it's not just a matter of education. I wish it were. There is just plain raw brain-power. Some people have it and some people don't and no amount of forcing people to college is going to change that (unless you dumb down entrance requirements or change graduation requirements). I wish it weren't that way, but it is. You can't take someone who has an IQ of 80 and make them an engineer-if you do serious disaster is going to happen. And it's sad, b/c nobody likes to talk about it b/c it's not "nice", yet it is reality and so we end up setting up people to fail-telling them they can be anything they want to be-yet that is a lie. And if people thought about it, it should actually generate more charity towards others and realize that not everyone has the same gifts and to be really grateful for what you've got and to recognize that not everyone has the same capability to do really, really well in life . .that maybe being a lumberjack or a janitor is the best they can hope to achieve with what God gave them-and that it is perfectly alright. Instead of looking down on those less fortunate b/c they didn't work as hard or whatever, maybe realize they are absolutely doing the best they can with the gifts God gave them.
  17. mikbone

    Men as Providers

    Im an M.D. and my wife has her J.D. I can guarantee it does not require any level of higher intelligence. I met the classmates. Being a successful surgeon requires hard work much more than being a ‘genius’. But good luck with your super duper high IQ.
  18. zil

    Fountain pen frenzy thread

    And now that the glare is gone and I've tilted my laptop screen, I finally get the whole picture - dragon head, flame - got it!
  19. boxer

    Men as Providers

    Sigh, this is why getting into discussions like this is pointless. Women use emotion to think, men use logic. Whatever, use emotion, call me silly. I deal in facts, logic, reason, not name-calling and emotional logic. No you don't know engineering-period. I don't care about your pedigree-doesn't matter to me. It doesn't have to do with interest it has to do with intelligence. The fact that you claim it doesn't, when clearly the degree requires you to be a really intelligent person to master it and since those are high paying jobs, really highly intelligent people gravitate towards those fields, i.e. you get the most intelligent men and the most intelligence woman gravitating towards those jobs. More male geniuses than women geniuses. Sigh, whatever . . .and you wonder how we came to the point where your husband got laid of b/c of "diversity". Women (in general) simply cannot compete in those fields regardless of their interest or at least not without "help". It is why STEM field initiatives to get women into STEM fields fails, miserably without "incentives". Regardless of sex, a highly intelligent person is not going to be satisfied in a non-intellectually stimulating job. They aren't going to be satisfied being a lumberjack or a nurse-b/c their brain is going to scream for something else. The highly intellectual individuals are the doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. b/c each new case, each new problem is different, it actually engages their brain to make it stimulating to work. This is why the really, really smart women ARE engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc. Because any other field would not be satisfying to their brain. . . .but whatevs. Good luck.
  20. As a mother of a large family, I know a thing or two about holiday burnout. Let's be honest, between the Christmas music recitals and cookie exchanges, the handmade gifts and ward Christmas activities, most moms feel the pressure of the upcoming holiday season on or about the day after Thanksgiving (if not sooner). Here are few tips to ward off the holiday stress and increase the Christmas joy: Less is More via Pixabay I always find that kids get overwhelmed with lots of gifts or lots of activities and the items or events lose their significance. In our family, things have always gone much more smoothly when we limit both the presents under the tree and the Christmas get-togethers we choose to attend during the holiday season. In fact, several years ago a friend shared with me the tradition of giving each person three gifts to represent the three gifts the Savior received. In our family, everyone receives "something they want," "something they need," and "something to read." While this... View the full article
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  22. anatess2

    Men as Providers

    Hah hah. Silly boxer. I'm not just a "coder" dude. If you must know, I happen to be a Computer Engineer (not a Software Engineer) with a Masters in Systems Engineering. My dad is a Chemical Engineer, my brother is an Electronics Communications Engineer. It is hilarious for you to say I don't know Engineering. Engineering requires intelligence. Women have that intelligence. That's not why there are more Male Engineers than there are Female Engineers. Stop blowing smoke out of your butt.
  23. boxer

    Men as Providers

    With respect, you don't know what engineering is and coding is not engineering. A high school kid can learn how to code a script-we call them script-kiddies-that's not engineering. Engineering absolutely requires extreme intelligence-running insanely complex mathematical algorithms, probability, statistics, calculus, differential equations, linear algebra, material strength, pi, R-values, resisters, etc. It's intelligence.
  24. boxer

    Men as Providers

    That sucks-it's the way of the world now. It's dangerous to be a straight white male in 2018. Google Tom MacDonald-rap-but actually kind-of decent rap and the youtube videos bleep the bad words.
  25. anatess2

    Men as Providers

    Sorry, dude. I'll have to consult your wife over the use of that label.
  26. boxer

    Warning in my Patriarchal Blessing

    Most don't, which is why they can't access the greater powers of the Priesthood.
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