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    Sandy Utah
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    Science, Cycling, Skiing, (outdoors in general), Liberty and Gospel Doctrine.
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    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

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  1. Traveler

    Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

    The Holy Ghost is the least known of the G-d Head. Although there are many revelations about receiving the Holy Ghost and His importance in the Plan of Salvation - there is disappointingly (for me) very little known about the person. Even in traditional Trinitarian Christians (like @prisonchaplain) I find no logic that such a being has any actual critical or necessary religious importance or contribution beyond various speculations. I have my own speculations - mostly based in logic, science and mathematics (dealing with our dimensional space-time with the possible speculations concerning an additional dimension.) In short at least 95% of what we think we understand of our universe is unexplainable and beyond our current science (including quantum physics - that no one really understands well enough to make me confident). Some of my speculations: 1. I mostly believe that the Holy Ghost is a single unique personage but I can accept the possibility that this divine role may be accomplished by several different persons at different times or eras of the divine plan of salvation. But I do not believe Jesus has ever been a Holy Ghost individual. 2. When Christ returns to rule in power and glory - that the Holy Ghost will no longer be necessary and that he or they will complete the divine purpose of creation - meaning that they will receive a body, be baptized and eventually be resurrected to Glory. 3. In conflict with #2 - I speculate that the Holy Ghost will be necessary as we are brought to stand before G-d at what is called the final judgment. But I cannot find any scriptural references. I am also conflicted that the Holy Ghost could receive a mortal body and yet be another individual capable of mortality without sin or that being a G-d he would sin. 4. There is an order of resurrection - not only is the first resurrection the greatest in glory - the first resurrection will be completed before resurrections of lessor glories begin. I believe this is necessary and part of the order of the Priesthood. 5. There seems to be a strong connection between the Holy Ghost and fire. I am not sure if this is symbolic or actual. I tend to speculate that baptism by fire is not so much symbolic but literal and necessary to be clean before anyone can be in G-d's presents. I personally believe my speculations are better than most in this regard - but I am quite sure my speculations are far far from reality. It seems this is a matter of faith based in hardly any knowledge or understanding. I am not willing to die on any hill of my speculations and will be glad to someday move beyond speculations to truth. I am very willing to entertain other speculations but with the caveat that we are dealing with speculations - at least for now. The Traveler
  2. I personally dislike the terms "Sex" and "Sexual". It is my personal opinion that the covenant of marriage is a good and wonderful blessing. That kissing and intimate relationships are a sacred trust and that living the Law of Chasity is good and righteous thing to do. Everyone should prepare for marriage and keep sacred things sacred. If discipline is a difficult thing - then engagements should be shortened. But we should not think of intimate relationships as dirty, evil or corrupt - just something very sacred that should be disciplined as are all sacred and divine things. The Traveler
  3. Traveler

    Should POTUS/Senate push through SCOTUS judge?

    I am of the opinion that we are taking another step (a very giant step) towards civil war. I believe if Trump is reelected - things will happen sooner. If Biden is elected - it will be postponed but when it come it will be worse. I believe that the Book of Mormon is prophetic and for our day. I would refer you to the last chapters of Helaman and the first chapters of 3Nephi The Traveler
  4. Traveler

    COVID update

    I was traveling last weekend to Indiana. I met with a young lady that has been working as a nurse on the COVID front lines in Indianapolis. For the last 6 months she has been caring for COVID-19 patients. I took the opportunity to gather information - especially since I do not trust the news outlets. A couple of pieces of information startled me. Although I had heard hints it was very interesting to hear from a source. I am not going to provide information from a scientific study - just some observations from one in the health care industry. One piece of information that startled me was that she claimed that numerous COVID patients had been hospitalized multiple times (meaning recovered, discharged and reinfected). Not a few have been infected more than twice. Obviously this means that a vaccine will not provide immunity to those most at risk. I did a Google search and discovered the COVID-19 reinfections have been recorded world wide. This means everybody in the medical science community knows a vaccine will not end the pandemic - contrary to what our politicians (both parties) are telling us - especially those that brag about their following the science. This young lady also claimed that about 75% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 are Hispanic or Black. I have heard that COVID has a racists side. I asked if this nurse had an opinion as to why. It was her observation that in almost all cases these minorities had diabetes and were greatly overweight. My wife is type 1 diabetic so I have some first hand experience. Diabetes must be self managed - the health care professionals can help but one must self manage diabetes. We concluded that Hispanics have a language barrier and thus manage diabetes poorly. The Blacks - although English is their first language seem to lack the skills to manage. Most of the other 25% are elderly with multiple complications. My nurse friend indicated that this is mostly what is seen at her hospital and basically covers those needing care and those that die from COVID. I asked about exceptions - we all hear of exceptions to what I have listed. She responded that they are exceptions that are rare but do exist. Lastly - this young lady was a bleeding liberal (Democrat) but has found herself at odds with her political party. But she believes that if Biden is elected the whole COVID-19 pandemic will fade away and disappear. And that if Trump is elected again he will be blamed for all the lies and misdirection. The Traveler
  5. Traveler

    Who Was that Rich Man?

    I am not sure. Generally I do not trust politicians and corporate elites - usually in that order. The scriptures have a lot to say about the rich - Jesus was not very complementary of the rich even when they contributed alms. The Traveler
  6. Traveler

    Alma 30:7-11

    Would that not make G-d unjust? As I said - I believe G-d is just. The Traveler
  7. I just want to thank you Traveler for sharing your thoughts and wisdom. I was trying to find a good quote from a prophet about the Gadianton Robbers for my Sunday School lesson. I knew I could count on you to have something!

    I email my lessons to my class since we are not allowed to gather in person, but it is so important to share with the teens the truth about the truth. :)

    Thank you again!


  8. Traveler

    Eternity, infinity, and limits

    One of the classic differences between a mathematician and an engineer is that an mathematician is greatly disappointed if there is ever any real applications that can be applied to mathematical theories - engineers, on the other hand believe mathematical theories are useless unless there is an application to the real world. One of the great criticism of Black Hole theory is that theoretical infinity has never been proven to exist in nature. Mathematics is a great representation of our universe of "things" but the universe is not comprised of anything mathematical. I find it most interesting that G-d says that his creations and works are not countable (thus infinite) to man but that they are (finite) to him. I interpret this to mean that G-d is involved with mathematics at levels we have not encountered yet. We keep developing new mathematical theories to explain stuff we encounter that does not fit the old system. For example the real number system is but a subset of the imaginary number system. A thousand years ago no one knew that imaginary numbers could be defined and have purpose. Anciently the number zero was not understood and causes a lot of confusion in ancient scriptures to modern thinkers. For example: many think that 1/3 of heave followed Satan. What we are told is that a third part followed Satan - which means that Heaven was divided into 3 parts - the assumption that the 3 parts were equal parts and thus 1/3 of heaven is a flaw in the understanding of ancient number theory. I do not believe we are quite ready to compare our number theory to G-d's or use our current theories to accurately explain G-d and his creations and works - but it is fun to try. The Traveler
  9. Traveler

    COVID update

    I attempted to display the data from the official Utah website - If you go to the site and look at the regions of Utah it shows that currently the Southwest area (where Zion is) it is currently (yesterday) at about 9 new cases per 100,000. Salt Lake county is currently at about 24 new cases per 100,000 and Utah county is at about 49 new per 100,000. Utah county yesterday had over 5 times the infections per 100,000 residents - Salt Lake county was only 2 and 2/3 times as many infections per 100,000 as southwest Utah. The death rate in Southwest Utah ought to be higher because that is primarily retirement communities - which means old people that are highly susceptible to COVID. The young dumb population should lower the death rate considerably. They are not likely to die from infection and if they keep it up we should have heard immunity in about 100 days - before the vaccine is available to all segments of the population. The Traveler
  10. Traveler

    How would you answer this?

    The short answer is because we have members in socialist countries and we do not want them tried for treason. The Traveler
  11. Traveler

    COVID update

    Mrs. Traveler and I spent a few days on a road trip through national and state parks of southern Utah. It was great!!!! When we visited Zion National Park it was crowded big time. The wife recently had foot surgery and was limited in her hiking abilities so we did not do any extreme hiking but the paths in Zion's park were full of people - very few wore a mask or socially distanced. And yet new cases of COVID in southern Utah are basically none. I talked with one young lady that was recently in the Philippines and Hawaii - both struggling with COVID. I am thinking that the hot dry air of southern Utah outdoors prohibits the spread. Utah is currently having a problem with COVID. But mostly in Salt Lake and Utah counties. The students of BYU and UVU appear to be a big problem for the state - along with an organization called "Young/Dumb". The Traveler
  12. Traveler

    Could be hard year for fires in California

    I thought I would resurrect this thread in light of what has happened over the last few weeks. Perhaps Trump is responsible??? The Traveler
  13. Traveler

    Who Was that Rich Man?

    Unless there is something that he disagrees with - then he is not so nice and generous. Anyone can be nice with those that agree with them (even a Democrat does that!!!) - a nice person is nice when being nice is not expected. I do not expect the media to be nice but I do expect the media to be accurate. That is their one and only job - to be accurate - even if they have opinions in the media; it is somewhat acceptable only, if and when they are accurate. I believe one element of accurate in the media is understanding all possible sides and being able to argue for what you disagree about at least as well as your opposition. But attempting to silence one's opposition - is never nice - nor is it acceptable in a free society. The Traveler
  14. Traveler

    Liken the Scriptures To Ourselves

    One principle that I think we need to play close attention to is the concept of "ripe in iniquity". I am not sure all that may be necessary but one is; the driving out or removal of the righteous. The ancient concept of righteous was those that have covenant with G-d. Or in other words those that go to church. We are seeing a great surge in defining church goers (especially Christian and Jewish) in the USA as systematically raciest. The Traveler
  15. Although I agree with you thinking - I am of the mind that we will not really understand until we can have a talk with one of our ancient brethren of that lost civilization. Maybe one our our Lamanite survivors may have some insight. I thought I might add that a road side sign that says "Watch for falling rocks" may be similar????? The Traveler