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    The Plan of Salvation - the Fall

    I will take a different view - Lets begin with the initial statement - "The Plan of Salvation". Why would it be called G-d's "Plan of Salvation"? Anciently the word Salvation comes from the same root as "Salvage". The very word "Salvage" has two parts. The first part implies a state of ruin - the second part implies a "gathering" of what is of value or worth from that which is ruined and no longer of any value or worth. If we consider the initial description of G-d's purpose (creation) in Genesis: Rather than go into multiple pages describing G-d's Plan of Salvation as introduced in Genesis - let us look at just the symbiology concerning Salvation of the Salvage planned by G-d. The symbolism here is that light is good and darkness is not good but something different. Shall we call it evil? Note that G-d did not create darkness (evil). He created Light. But his plan all along was to divide the light from the darkness and salvage the light. If we follow the plan of G-d we will learn that his plan will conclude with what is called "The final Judgment". This is the completion of dividing the light from the darkness. This is not rocket science - it is not without logic. It is very simple. In order for there to be "Salvation" for the greatest creation of G-d, would have to be separated from evil. The only way for G-d's creation to come into contact with evil was if there was a fall. Without a fall there could be no salvation. (dividing light from darkness). The Traveler
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    Stopping COVID

    As I have said - this is not the age of information as it is misinformation. I will use an example - one of the countries involved in world trade is Taiwan. This island is heavily populated - its large cities are more so than New York City. Outside of mainland China, Taiwan was one of the first countries infected by COVID-19 -- yet, to date, since the whole outbreak Taiwan has had less than 510 cases of infections and 7 deaths (the last death in May). One would think that anyone following the science for COVID would know and follow the Taiwan model. Have you ever heard anyone in our media new outlets reference Taiwan? The Traveler
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    Stopping COVID

    For the record - I am currently of the mind that no one (mortal) knows how to stop the COVID pandemic. There is so much differing information within the professional and international medical community - I personally have become skeptical of all so called preventive methods. This includes any advancements of a vaccine - because of the relationship of COVID to the common flu. In short the possibility that COVID will mutate and need a new vaccine each season. But these seasonal vaccines are a crapshoot effort to guess what is coming and not what actually ends up evolving. In short we may slow the progress of the virus but even the experts have no clue how to stop it. What is also depressing in this whole thing - is what to do (treatments) once you have contracted COVID. I have not found any consistency. What I have found are a lot of claims and claims that such claims are void of any scientific evidence. Why would anyone say any treatment is void of any scientific evidence if even one person recovered from the use of the treatment? It seems that the treatment for COVID is more a matter of where someone is being treated than it is science. Now I am reading another alarming statistic concerning COVID. I had assumed that since over 90% of COVID deaths were among individuals with unrelated to COVID chronic conditions - meaning they were about to die anyway. So I assumed that COVID was not so much taking out so many in our population as a cause but more of a catalyst. Now I am reading that if we remove all the COVID stats from current death rates - that the death rates in places of high COVID infection have otherwise raised or increased on the average of 30%. But when I went to add the link for this thread - I could not find it????? Recently - where I live (Utah) the news is calling this region of the country a "Hot Spot". Currently in Utah most of the problem is in Salt Lake County - which is the most populated area of the state. But the hightest infections and death (currently) are in 3 townships - Magna, Rose Park and West Valley. Interesting that these areas are high areas of crime and minorities. It is also where a lot of good hard working but lesser paid individuals live. I can only guess what minority populations and crime has to do with all this. Bottom line is that I think the whole COVID thing is more to do with politics than science. But at the same time - I believe we are facing a critical and important threat. But we are proceeding like chicken running around with our heads cut off. I do not believe COVID is a hoax - but our response as a nation - especially in the political arena with a upcoming election, might as well be. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    The Church has in essence two means of raising funds - one is from donations and the second is through holdings and investments. The church has said on several occasions that there is no overhead in the distribution of donated funds. In addition in the annual audits (April Conference) it is reported that all has been accounted according to prescribed methods. This means that all donated funds are distributed without overhead as prescribed - mission funds to mission expenses, perpetual education fund for education and so on. The Church holds a number of corporate holdings in broadcasting, land holdings, banking, and other revenue producing enterprises. There is a difference between donated funds and all Church funds. The Traveler
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    Stopping COVID

    No where in the world has COVID had the impact that it has in the USA. Not just in terms of infections but in changes to the economy and the structure of social norms. But perhaps - worst of all is a conflict of information concerning what the pandemic science is. Some may think that this age of the internet and greater communications is an age of information - but the reality is that it is more an age of misinformation. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    Thank you - I should rephrase that - no donated funds were used. I would also point out that donated funds are not used to subsidize GA's for being GA's. Some may claim that it is all "church" monies - but that is a strawman argument. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    No - none that I talked to deeded any of their property to the church except in the case of their death. In addition some GA continue to make investments You may recall Mark Hoffman sold some false documents to some church leaders - they all used their own money and not church funds. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    I think that sometimes most Saints think of the law of consecration only in economic or monetary terms. I was taught that money is the lazy and less committed method of the law of consecration. The more noble and committed method is service and time. So if you want to make a list of ward members living the law of consecration take role at the ward and stake service projects. See who almost always shows up to help move, repair a roof, clean up yards and so on and so on. In the past - besides tithing there was the building fund, ward budget, the missionary fund, fast offerings, the Book of Mormon Fund and others. We use to talk about all our contributions for the past year and plan for the next year at tithing settlement but all that is asked now is if we pay a full tithing for the previous year. I cannot speak for all but my personal experience is that it is mostly the less rich that participate in monetary and service contributions. With few exceptions (there are always exceptions) it seems that the more opulent the life style the less interest there is in service and fast offerings. I really thought the Church made a giant step spiritually (towards the law of consecration) when funding for wards was standardized - so that the "rich" wards had to learn to budget the youth and other activities the same as "poor" wards. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    As a youth I knew Hugh B Brown - Hugh B Brown's daughter married the Bishop in my best friend's ward - My best friend did yard work for the Bishop and whenever Elder Brown would visit (which was often to relax by a private pool) I would help my friend with his work so we could spend time talking with Elder Brown. On my mission I met Legrand Richards and drove him through Oregon for mission meetings. Stephan L Richards was the father of a close friend - I never met Elder Richards other than through stories from his son. Boyd K Packer and my mother were school friends and my uncle (Father's brother) was his best friend and served with him during WWII and I use to car pool with his son to work. Two Emeritus 70's - one is Larry Corbridge who was once my Stake President (still living) and also someone I knew in my youth - actually I knew his sister and the other is Robert L. Backman (still living and the oldest GA) that was my mission president - he performed my wife's and my temple marriage - myself and a few other missionaries were planning a birthday party for him earlier this year when we had to cancel because of COVID. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    As I understand - the United Order was designed to provide a platform for a community to live under the Law of Consecration and Stewardship. Individual families are individually responsible regardless of what is happening in their community - with the exception of socialistic states. It is my personal belief that without freedom and liberty it is impossible to live the Law of Consecration and Stewardship. Thus I believe a people must have desire and then G-d will provide a proctor with authority. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    The only source I have is through personal contact. As far as I know there is no public information. As I stated previously the primary focus for anyone ought to be their own covenants. If you hold a current temple recommend - it is my personal opinion that you ought to be living the law and covenant of Concentration and Stewardship. This kind of reminds me of a person that asked Mozart how to write music. Mozart replied that the person was too young and the person replied that Mozart was only 6 when he wrote his first master peace. Mozart replied that he did not have to ask anyone how. It is my personal opinion that if someone does not want to live the law and covenant - obviously they are not ready. If they desire such a thing - it is most likely they are not worried about what others are doing. The Traveler
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    Stopping COVID

    This discussion is referencing a post I made almost 2 months ago. More recently I posted on COVID updates in the current events forum. There I referenced that there are individuals that have been admitted to hospitals multiple times for COVID. This can be documented by Googling "COVID reinfections". What this means is that the most vulnerable will not be protected with a vaccine. We already know that this malady is not worth worrying about for the less vulnerable. They do not need a vaccine. The cost is not worth the threat if this only protects the less vulnerable. I will make a prediction - If Trump is reelected the COVID vaccine will be covered by the media as ineffective. If Trump is not reelected COVID will disappear and that those that could be infected being treated or dying will not be covered and if referenced they will be suffering other problems. We will return to normal. The Traveler
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    Two thoughts. First - the general authorities that I have know personally - keep their personal lives personal. This is not the type of item General Authorities want to brag about or make a big deal of in public. The things from their personal lives are carefully guarded but may be referenced from time to time when it is thought to be beneficial for the Saints. I am also aware that it is possible to be obedient and live according to the covenant of the Law of Concentration and Stewardship - I am also aware of many (with emphasis on many) of the Latter-day Saints that are not general authorities that are living the according to that covenant. Second - The absents of evidence is not evidence of absents. That a source is not sited does not mean that there is no one living the Law of Concentration and Stewardship. This should not be a question in our hearts concerning what others are doing. The question before us all - is what is the desire of our hearts. The Traveler
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    Who Was that Rich Man?

    Often I tend to be blunt and show little emotion. This is not by accident. It has been my personal experience that ignoring logic and being emotional is a recipe for disaster. My dear wife, who is much better in social settings often suggests that my bluntness in conversations are rude. Enough about me. My father was both successful and wise which took him very quickly from relative poverty to great wealth. He grew up during the depression in a small 3 bedroom home with 13 siblings. He raised his children to work as he had learned to work. He believed that when children reached the age of accountably (8) that they should earn their own money and pay for their cloths and any other non essentials - like family vacations. We were also required to do service - we were expected to be the first to arrive and the last to leave. If any of us complained his response was always that we would never be expected to do as much or more than him. He had enough cash to pay for the most expensive home in our stake - but he never did. He did not drive a new car - it was always a beater - often requiring "special" knowledge to open doors, starting, rolling up and down the windows or other things. If I could compare my father to some historical person - I would compare him to King Benjamin. It is my believe that wealth is the most likely result of living righteously (living according to covenant with G-d). But the great temptation of wealth and riches is pride. The kind of pride that convinces people that they "deserve" better than others. Usually (always) this is demonstrated by "things" that can be purchased for money. Sometimes even poor people will demonstrate such pride by thinking they deserve what belongs to others - This is also called coveting. And so they wish that they had more money so that they could "have" what they deserve. I believe it is very clear that there is no place in "Heaven" for the prideful. Those that adorn themselves or wish to adorn or present themselves with things will have similar difficulty getting into heaven as a full grown camel will have in passing through the eye of a needle. Jesus even made it clear that in using wealth as an offering to the poor to be seen or respected of others - is of the same prideful cloth as those with opulent attire or things to be seen and adored by others. This pride of adornment has corrupted much of our entertainment and is the engine of hate that is the outgrowth of covetousness that destroyed the Nephits and is destroying the United States of America. I find myself struggling and often reproved by others for my pride - Perhaps the greatest temptation of pride is to think we as an individual are rid of it. Or thinking we are better than others at avoiding it. The Traveler
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    Freedom, Family, and The Gospel

    Perhaps you could explain clearly the difference between being one with G-d and living life as a G-d. I would point out that in the Gospel of John this exact point was made by Jesus and the Jews intended to kill him over this point of his teachings. The Traveler
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    Who Was that Rich Man?

    Part of the reason I post is to bring to the attention of the forum or a specific poster "things" to various thoughts and ideas that may be missing or left out of various threads or posts. If this is understood to be an attack or disagreement or even an act of arrogance - I apologize. It would, perhaps, be more excusable if I were expert and without flaws in my own thoughts and responses. Never-the-less I do understand frustration when something that has already been resolved is presented again as if it were not. Whenever I make such a mistake - please remind me. I am dyslexic and often miss thoughts or the point being made or the logic involved. I do not offer this as an excuse. When I post something that is incorrect - it ought to be corrected. If I have missed something - it is most helpful to state it clearly or to restate it again in a slightly different manner. Otherwise, I most often will not know or connect to a specific frustration. Sorry for my flaws Thanks The Traveler
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    Getting Out of a Business Partnership

    I would suggest that a lawyer oversee the contract (what is written down) On this I agree with @JohnsonJones. I would also suggest that all parties involved sign a NDA (None Disclosure Agreement). You do not need a lawyer for that - you can find copies of NDA's on the internet. Be careful regarding a patent. They can cost more than they are worth and not provide the protection you expect. It is my opinion that most such adventures fail because of marketing failures. From your posts - this appears to be lacking and it does not appear that there is anyone involved with the needed skills. It is also my opinion that if the concept is sound there are plenty of venture capitalist that can bring more than money to the table - such as with manufacturing and distribution connections. There is more to financing a new product than starting it on a shoe string and building a proto type. If a venture capitalist is not willing to invest - your product is likely not as great as you may think. Venture capitalist exist for the sole purpose of finding investments possibilities. Lastly - I suggest that a business plan be put together. If you leave this up the the venture capitalist or someone else it is likely that you both will lose control (minimum of 51%) of your company. There was a movie a while back about this very thing and how an employee took control of McDonalds and left the original owner with nothing - not even the name. Sorry I do not remember the title of the movie. The Traveler
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    Who Was that Rich Man?

    I am now sorry I asked for more explanation. The Traveler
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    Who Was that Rich Man?

    I would add that the one thing added in the Book of Mormon to identify "prideful rich" is the purchase of costly apparel and I would add expensive adornments. Dare I add show cars as a spiritual wealth crisis for our day? My father, who was very rich, rejected costly apparel and avoided owning a auto (or house) that indicated opulence or wealthy status. Perhaps my upbringing has cause me to be prejudice toward the wealthy the flaunt their riches or define themselves in terms of things. Often I must bite my tongue when visiting someone wealthy that adorn themselves with expensive things. But then I must remind myself that (as you have pointed out) most of the world thinks all Americans adorn themselves with expensive things. My son, while serving a mission in Mexico ask that we not send pictures our our Christmas to him. That we avoid showing things that appear so much above the good people he taught in Mexico. The Traveler
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    JohnsonJones Gospel Topics thread

    I thought I would add another ancient Egyptian connection in the Book of Mormon (that was not know at the time of Joseph Smith). Often we see the phrase "And it came to pass" in the Book of Mormon. In ancient Egypt there was a deity and divine concept represented by the scarab or dung Beatle. Scarabs are often used in ancient Egyptian funerial rites. The scarab was symbolic of divine change or a change brought about (both blessings and curses) by G-d. In our Latter-day Saint culture we understand repentance as divine change - change is a very important principle. And it came to pass is a phrase that symbolizes this divine relationship to a change. I, personally now find joy when encountering this phrase and look to discover what it is drawing attention to in scripture and then to see how it applies to me and my life. This is a testament to me of the divinity of the Book of Mormon and to its particular purpose to our day and time. The Traveler
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    Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

    If I did not know better I would think this is from a fellow Latter-day Saint. In science there are two kinds of particles - fermions and bosons. Fermions are what most of us think of as matter. Bosons are quite different - for example two bosons can occupy the same space-time. Photons (particles of light) are bosons. One speculation is that spirit matter is similar to or are bosons. This would explain how a spirit can occupy a physical body and otherwise be undetected. This would also explain how the Holy Ghost can enter into our body and communicate directly with our spirit. It is LDS doctrine that our pre-existence spirit is the same "stuff" as the Holy Ghost and the pre-born entity of Mary - Jesus Christ. It is also the same stuff of which Lucifer was and Satan remains to be. It is also my speculation that Dark Matter and Dark Energy may be Boson type spirit matter. This would mean that our universe is dominated by spirit stuff and give credence to a literal concept that spirit stuff gives life to the universe. Of course this is all my speculation - but there has been little divine revelation on such things since science has advanced our physical understanding of the universe. I do wish and speculate that if our eyes were "opened" that we would understand both science and religious doctrine much better. Perhaps our spirits are far more powerful than we realize - even in our physical universe. One thing - I believe the scripture (including our Latter-day prophets) tries to inform us is that only by faith in Christ and through the Holy Ghost can we know truth - of anything. Thanks for your input The Traveler
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    Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

    The Holy Ghost is the least known of the G-d Head. Although there are many revelations about receiving the Holy Ghost and His importance in the Plan of Salvation - there is disappointingly (for me) very little known about the person. Even in traditional Trinitarian Christians (like @prisonchaplain) I find no logic that such a being has any actual critical or necessary religious importance or contribution beyond various speculations. I have my own speculations - mostly based in logic, science and mathematics (dealing with our dimensional space-time with the possible speculations concerning an additional dimension.) In short at least 95% of what we think we understand of our universe is unexplainable and beyond our current science (including quantum physics - that no one really understands well enough to make me confident). Some of my speculations: 1. I mostly believe that the Holy Ghost is a single unique personage but I can accept the possibility that this divine role may be accomplished by several different persons at different times or eras of the divine plan of salvation. But I do not believe Jesus has ever been a Holy Ghost individual. 2. When Christ returns to rule in power and glory - that the Holy Ghost will no longer be necessary and that he or they will complete the divine purpose of creation - meaning that they will receive a body, be baptized and eventually be resurrected to Glory. 3. In conflict with #2 - I speculate that the Holy Ghost will be necessary as we are brought to stand before G-d at what is called the final judgment. But I cannot find any scriptural references. I am also conflicted that the Holy Ghost could receive a mortal body and yet be another individual capable of mortality without sin or that being a G-d he would sin. 4. There is an order of resurrection - not only is the first resurrection the greatest in glory - the first resurrection will be completed before resurrections of lessor glories begin. I believe this is necessary and part of the order of the Priesthood. 5. There seems to be a strong connection between the Holy Ghost and fire. I am not sure if this is symbolic or actual. I tend to speculate that baptism by fire is not so much symbolic but literal and necessary to be clean before anyone can be in G-d's presents. I personally believe my speculations are better than most in this regard - but I am quite sure my speculations are far far from reality. It seems this is a matter of faith based in hardly any knowledge or understanding. I am not willing to die on any hill of my speculations and will be glad to someday move beyond speculations to truth. I am very willing to entertain other speculations but with the caveat that we are dealing with speculations - at least for now. The Traveler
  23. I personally dislike the terms "Sex" and "Sexual". It is my personal opinion that the covenant of marriage is a good and wonderful blessing. That kissing and intimate relationships are a sacred trust and that living the Law of Chasity is good and righteous thing to do. Everyone should prepare for marriage and keep sacred things sacred. If discipline is a difficult thing - then engagements should be shortened. But we should not think of intimate relationships as dirty, evil or corrupt - just something very sacred that should be disciplined as are all sacred and divine things. The Traveler
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    Should POTUS/Senate push through SCOTUS judge?

    I am of the opinion that we are taking another step (a very giant step) towards civil war. I believe if Trump is reelected - things will happen sooner. If Biden is elected - it will be postponed but when it come it will be worse. I believe that the Book of Mormon is prophetic and for our day. I would refer you to the last chapters of Helaman and the first chapters of 3Nephi The Traveler
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    COVID update

    I was traveling last weekend to Indiana. I met with a young lady that has been working as a nurse on the COVID front lines in Indianapolis. For the last 6 months she has been caring for COVID-19 patients. I took the opportunity to gather information - especially since I do not trust the news outlets. A couple of pieces of information startled me. Although I had heard hints it was very interesting to hear from a source. I am not going to provide information from a scientific study - just some observations from one in the health care industry. One piece of information that startled me was that she claimed that numerous COVID patients had been hospitalized multiple times (meaning recovered, discharged and reinfected). Not a few have been infected more than twice. Obviously this means that a vaccine will not provide immunity to those most at risk. I did a Google search and discovered the COVID-19 reinfections have been recorded world wide. This means everybody in the medical science community knows a vaccine will not end the pandemic - contrary to what our politicians (both parties) are telling us - especially those that brag about their following the science. This young lady also claimed that about 75% of those hospitalized with COVID-19 are Hispanic or Black. I have heard that COVID has a racists side. I asked if this nurse had an opinion as to why. It was her observation that in almost all cases these minorities had diabetes and were greatly overweight. My wife is type 1 diabetic so I have some first hand experience. Diabetes must be self managed - the health care professionals can help but one must self manage diabetes. We concluded that Hispanics have a language barrier and thus manage diabetes poorly. The Blacks - although English is their first language seem to lack the skills to manage. Most of the other 25% are elderly with multiple complications. My nurse friend indicated that this is mostly what is seen at her hospital and basically covers those needing care and those that die from COVID. I asked about exceptions - we all hear of exceptions to what I have listed. She responded that they are exceptions that are rare but do exist. Lastly - this young lady was a bleeding liberal (Democrat) but has found herself at odds with her political party. But she believes that if Biden is elected the whole COVID-19 pandemic will fade away and disappear. And that if Trump is elected again he will be blamed for all the lies and misdirection. The Traveler