Traveler

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  1. Having spent time with those of Islamic faith - I believe we have more in common with our Islamic cousins than we do with our Traditional Christian cousins. Perhaps the most power tool to convince our Islamic friends how close our religions are to each other is the Book of Mormon. I agreed to read the Quran if a Muslim would read the Book of Mormon. What I discovered is that the Quran is quite difficult to to read without constant input to help me understand context and intent. But more to my surprise I discovered that Muslims (especially from the Middle East) understand many things about the Book of Mormon than most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. For example: Many members struggle with Nephi cutting of the head of Laban because G-d commanded him. A devoted life long Muslim reads this in the Book of Mormon as a witness that to them that the Book of Mormon is of G-d and that Nephi was a prophet called by G-d. They agree that the sword of Laban would then become a sacred relic. That the sword was then presented to Joseph Smith is a witness to them that Joseph Smith was a prophet called by G-d. As another thought I was having a discussion about Sharia Law with a Muslim from Bahrain that was temporally living in Utah. We agreed that no nation on earth fully implements Sharia Law so I asked him where in the world I could go to see the best example of a society living Sharia Law. After thinking for a while my friend said - Here in Utah in the predominate LDS cities. Last thought - Muslims believe that at the end of time that Mohamad with come with Jesus to unite Christians and Muslims to restore all the laws and ordinances of G-d's truth. The idea of a restoration is something that is very interesting to them. The Traveler
  2. good to talk to you. Just as a clarification - all things that G-d resides over are referenced in the scriptures as "Kingdoms" - including the "kingdoms" of glory in the resurrection. It is my understanding that all societies of this world (except that which is sealed by the Holy Ghost) are corrupted and will have an end and will not endure. If re rely on our understanding of governments of this world from which to draw a comparison - I believe the comparison will be lacking. It is hard for me to realize how citizens of a kingdom will be free and have liberty - but I think that in the restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that we have possibly the best example. The Traveler
  3. Traveler

    What happened to the Third Hour articles?

    My impression of you as a person has just taken a giant leap. My parents taught me as a youth the the character of a person is most on display when they are doing things when they do not have to. For the record I have a Facebook account but I have never used it and it has been years since I have logged in - I will never log in because I have lost and forgotten it and do not care. Thank you for your efforts in managing this site. The Traveler
  4. I am under the impression that Jesus will return as a King and law provider. The Traveler
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    Gays and the church

    Please allow me to explain my question - for this I will use another topic or choice but I think the basic principles are still the same. Before I get into the deep part of this - I would reference a discussion I had with a friend and police detective. We were talking about the "criminal mind" and he told me that humans are social animals and the so called criminal mind (with the exception of individuals with severe mental issues) will not continue or continue behaviors without being enabled by others. Even the most atrocious behavior will not continue unless there is a some kind of support for that behavior. In essence, intelligent species learn behaviors - both by individual experience (like touching something hot) and the reaction of others (like smelling so badly that others will shun or pull away). So for my example: let us take a single young man and a single young lady, both returned missionaries that are at the very beginning of establishing a "social" relationship - both looking for a compatible eternal partner (spouse). But during their "dating" process the young man realizes that the young lady that he dearly likes and respects is into faction and likes wearing classy outfits that are not compatible with the wearing of temple garments. The young man does want to continue to develop their relationship but how does he deal with the lady's fashion trend realizing that handled improperly - it could be a relationship breaker. In short how can he deal with what he believes is disrespect for temple covenants without alienating the young lady? Also keeping in mind that each individual has their Agency. We can also apply this issue across many relationships both in families and friends - how can we maintain loving relationships when there are conflicts with sacred covenants without encouraging the offending party that their behavior is not okay. Where is the line that someone crosses before we are willing to say - you should not be doing whatever it is that is not okay. For myself - I tend to lack what my wife calls filters and indicate that I am uncomfortable with their attitudes towards that which makes me uncomfortable. In other words I have difficulty with dishonesty with my own feelings and it is hard for me to hide my impressions - even if I am trying not to offend. The Traveler
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    Gays and the church

    How can we show love and support for others - especially those that are struggling with their covenants - without enabling any disrespect (directly or indirectly) towards that which is most sacred? The Traveler
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    A Pentacostal Reads the BoM

    It seems that Jesus had the same problem with the traditions of the Pharisees and Scribes. The Traveler
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    Sotomayor

    It is my personal opinion that when it comes to government - things are seldom as they seem or are claimed to be. Sadly this seem to be a recurring theme within the media. The Traveler
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    Sotomayor

    Sotomayor should recuse herself from deciding vaccine mandates for her blatant and obvious bias regarding children at risk for COVID hospitalism. She was so far off when she claimed that currently there are over 100,000 children in hospitals when there are barely just over 3,000. The Traveler
  10. I just finished reading the Church publication Saints Volume 2. It was somewhat of a surprise to learn that historically the "Saints" have had great problems with the Republican party beginning with President Lincoln. As bad as I have thought the Democrats have trampled on the rights and liberties of US citizens - it does not hold a candle to what the Republican party has done to thwart religious freedoms pointed directly at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In the past I was under the impressions that president Lincoln was somewhat sympathetic towards our early church. I now wonder if the L-rd allowed the assignation of Lincoln as a means to preserve the Church. In general - I personally distrust anyone with strong political party ties but I have thought that if there is any degree of one party being a better party (more reflective to preserve freedoms and liberties) I have thought it more likely to be something of interest to the Republican party. The more I learn of the insides of political parties the more I dislike them - and this is in contrast to my father that was a strong and powerful Republican party member. I do not know how Harry Reid could conform to the Democrat party and remain loyal to his covenants - but then I also has very big issues with Senator Orrin Hatch. I do not know why either was allowed to have photo opps with general authorities. But then the Church goes through great lengths to be politically neutral. I try to follow that example but more often than not I end up feeling that I am not being honest with myself (especially concerning prominent Democrats). I seriously believe that Jesus will do away with political parties when he returns. The Traveler
  11. Surprise, surprise - we can find kind hearted, G-d fearing people in all sorts or places - despite political affiliation or career choices. Realizing that there are always exceptions to the norm. the Traveler
  12. Traveler

    What happened to the Third Hour articles?

    Are you implying that who ever is running this forum does not really care about us? And perhaps never posts here? The Traveler
  13. Traveler

    A Pentacostal Reads the BoM

    I believe it is also important to look at things from a historical perspective. When our church fled from the USA (around 150 years ago) there were no ministers (with the rare exceptions of a Catholic father in Nauvoo) that publicly indicated any sorrow or regret over the religious reasons for the members leaving the USA. My personal experience while in the military (especially among more fundamental Protestants) was that LDS (like myself) were not Christian and deserve scorn and isolation. It would seem that there has been an evolution towards something much better and I must admit that if it had not been form my experiences with you - I would not have believed anything kind was taking place to the extent it has. One last thought - it does appear to me that the evolution of political and social things is trending so that those of any religious stripe must find what ever safety of thought among themselves. The Traveler
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    2 Nephi 24: 21

    I would point out that just because someone is suffering (as we all do) that it is not always punishment. Even within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there is sometimes a false doctrine circulated that those that suffer are being punished and those that seem to breeze through everything are blessed. The Traveler
  15. Perhaps I have missed something that @Just_A_Guy could better clarify. But requiring any discloser of someone's personal health records - I believe is in violation of HIPPA laws. The Traveler
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    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    As I think more on this - I have worked for individuals that I did not respect at the time. I once told a vice president in a company I worked for that if I performed my job (assignment) as poorly as he did - I would expect to be fired. Interestingly this all turned our better than one might expect but the whole story would be far to long for this thread. The Traveler
  17. Traveler

    Gays and the church

    I have not seen the video - but I do not believe I would tell him anything different than I would tell anyone else about their life. The first thing I would tell anyone is that we are all children of G-d and as such we all face a mortal "fallen" from grace trial(s) throughout our entire mortal existence. And we are intelligent beings and intelligent beings as capable of learning - which means that we can learn and make intelligent choices. The only reason any choice seem hard is because we make them so. The final thing I would tell anyone is that I am a proponent of Agency - that regardless of their choice (exercise of agency) - I will exercise my choice to love them and respect their choice according to my agency and covenants with G-d. The Traveler
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    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    Question do you consider mental illness a sickness? Just checking to see if there are any exceptions? The Traveler
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    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    I think there are other factors to be considered. The only reason that I run a business is to create a profit. I have posted in the past that I am not motivated by money. But that is a personal thing. The reality is that I do not run any business to lose money. I like providing income to others. Most of the others also own their business and work for me through their business and contractors. I could make a very long list of things I have learned about employing others. For example a very average person that has done a particular thing successfully many times is much better at getting that job done than a PHD genius that has never done that particular thing. This is short for someone with experience is better than someone with a college degree that is new on the job. Many corporate mangers (and political individual or many others with college degrees) have not figured this out. One of the best plumbers I use has a masters degree in business and accounting - but he likes being a plumber better and he makes more money. You are correct - respect is very important but I do not think liking someone is all that important. It is hard for me not to like anyone once I get to know them (but there are exceptions). I have never met someone that works and does a good job that I cannot like. However, I would not want them to date my daughter but I can get along with them in the work place. I have also learned not to go to a bar with people I work with - even if I drink milk or water. I do not mind if someone swears as long as they do not while I am around. One last thing - thank you for your support. The Traveler
  20. What was the follow up question???? The Traveler
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    Requiring a COVID-19 Vaccine (shot/s)

    @LDSGator and @Anddenex I have mixed thought concerning your discussion. I have a few small businesses and a couple of them are very much dependent on "public" perceptions. And so I must expect that those I employ (which are very few) put forth the perceptions we intend to put forth towards the public. This may sound weird but I am not concerned so much about a person's "private life" but I am very concerned about what they intend to make publicly known about their life choices. There are grooming standards and dress standards for when they are working but I make no effort to tell them how to behave, dress or maintain themselves in their "private lives". I have employed individuals fresh out of Jail and I was just as open and honest with them as I am in my explanations before the forum as to my expatiations during the hours of my employment. Some call this the golden rule - or the one with the gold makes the rules. Having been in the employ of the government (receiving government money while in the military) I have learned a hard lesson that especially the government more than any other employer puts more restrictions on those "under" their control. What I do not understand is why that part of the government that is paid directly by the citizens (taxes) still behaves like they are our masters. And I also do not understand why so many citizens allow them to get away with it. The Traveler
  22. I am open and willing to discuss these points. I believe that when the plan of salvation was made know that all the children of our Father in heaven (Stars of Heaven) celebrated and shouted for joy. I also believe that every individual will enjoy the "glory" added to them in the "last judgment" and resurrection - but like our own children that choose to depart from the path of covenant and walk into the mists of darkness (as per the revelation in the Book of Mormon concerning the Tree of Life) there will be momentary celebrations in places like the "Great and Spacious Building" among those that also rejected the fullness of the Gospel of Christ but for those that partake of the fruit of the Tree of Life and remain loyal to their covenants - there will always be sorrow for those that chose to live according to "lessor" laws and covenants of the "World". All lasting celebration and joy will only be among the Righteous (those that make and keep G-d's eternal covenants) or those that partake of the fruit of the Tree of Life. I believe the term that describes "All" those that are not loyal to G-d's covenants is "Misery". I think the only ones that will celebrate anyone's misery are those that follow Satan. I am open to discuss all this in greater detail and I am most curious for those that think otherwise - I would very much like to understand why. The Traveler
  23. I do not believe such a scripture exists (If I am wrong I would be most glad to learn otherwise). I do not think D&C 88:32 applies beyond a single individual. As far as a public celebration for anyone other than the Celestial Kingdom - I am skeptical of any celebration other than Satan and his followers - and I doubt that even they would celebrate except for those of whom they would have gained power over. If anything those that fail to make and keep covenants (loyal to G-d in every way) I see only regret - except the the individual exercising their agency. The Traveler
  24. Traveler

    Sotomayor

    I read this link (which states it is opinion and not legal president) and I am not sure it applies at all. I am not a legal expert but in my simple citizen trying to understand law; this particular case looks more to support states rights for opting out of federal vaccine mandates. As I understood the Supreme Court upheld that the states have the right to regulate in favor of any particular state (not federal) public health. In the case presented it was the State of Massachusetts. I also found this quote most interesting: Also this clearly states that the mandate is up the the legislature (not the courts or the executive branch) to create the mandate. In addition we know that the current vaccine does not prevent COVID or that it is the " BEST" means of protecting public health - especially since the virus has mitigated risk based on health threats that already exist in the public. Again I am just a citizen asking questions that I believe should be answered before any government agency (especially federal agency) assumes power to act with compulsions against citizens. The Traveler
  25. It is my understanding that Senator Harry Reid is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in "Good" standing. The Traveler