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  1. D&C 78:5-6 That you may be equal in the bonds of heavenly things, yea, and earthly things also, for the obtaining of heavenly things. For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things; This section is a revelation on the establishment of a storehouse, I'm assuming what we now call a bishop's storehouse, for helping the poor. When it speaks of being equal in earthly things I interpret that to be referring to the law of consecration (though feel free to expound if you have a different interpretation). But what does it mean to be equal in heavenly things? And what is the connection with being equal in earthly things?
  2. While the heavens truly did weep when Lucifer and his followers fell there is much we don't know in terms of the vastness of his influence. Even if it was one third of the children of God who followed Satan I think it is safe to say it was only one third of those assigned to this earth. But what of the other multitude of earths peopled with God's children? Some believe the worst and also the best were saved for this earth, where Jehovah and Lucifer were present. Though that thought is unsubstantiated I think it makes a case that Satan's third could actually be just a very small percentage of the total of all of God's children. Numerically it's still a large number but percentage wise it could in fact be less than one percent. Who knows? But as @Traveler pointed out there are still questions as to what a third part actually means.
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    Revelation 7 and the Restoration

    Actually I just figured it out. But I won't tell. That would ruin the fun. 😁
  4. Here is the heading in our version of Revelation chapter 7: John also sees in the sixth seal: The restoration of the gospel foreseen; the sealing of the 144,000; and the hosts of the exalted from all nations. Now I know the headings are not part of the canonized text but can someone tell which verses in chapter 7 they are referring to when they say "The restoration of the gospel foreseen"?
  5. I think this is exactly the kind of sentiment the Church is trying to get a way from. I remember years ago I was a councilor in an elder's quorum presidency in a ysa stake and attended a priesthood leadership meeting. During the breakout part they spent the time teaching us about excommunication. At first I was totally befuddled as to why they would focus on that topic. But by the end I was struck by how great the mercy of the Lord is and it's manifestation in what I previously had deemed a punishment. Everything in that article pertains to the doctrine of repentance and the Church appears to be going out of their way to remove any negative sentiment we may have in regards to it.
  6. Like @Fether said there is much we don't know. For example, using John's definition of sin: "for sin is the transgression of the law," (1John 3:4) we must ask ourselves, what laws existed in the premortal world? Obviously there must have been "natural laws" that governed the development of spiritual beings, which if obeyed progression followed but if not then it didn't. But I interpret the laws as referenced by John as those that come by way of commandment from God. And do we know of any commandments given in the premortal world? The only one that comes to mind that might qualify was at the grand council when the plan of salvation was presented. And we know what happened to those who rebelled. Of course, there may have a myriad of other commandments that we just don't know of. But what if there wasn't? Then sin would not be a foregone conclusion. But my point is that we just can't assume really anything but what has been revealed.
  7. We have fallen bodies, living in a fallen world. That part of us, called the natural man, truly does enjoy this world. But the Lord wasn't talking about what makes the natural man happy. The natural man will eventually die with our fallen bodies and all we'll have left is the happiness or misery we've brought to our spirit. This I believe is what the Lord is speaking of. But to jump to the process of changing, the natural man will always be natural but it needs to be subdued. This is done under the influence of the Spirit which can bring about a change of heart so that we lose all desire for the sin. I think the perfect example of this happened to the people in response to King Benjamin's speech: Mosiah 5:2 ...the Spirit of the Lord Omnipotent, which has wrought a mighty change in us, or in our hearts, that we have no more disposition to do evil, but to do good continually. I think we all experience this from time to time but it's not a permanent condition. But the more we invite the Holy Ghost into our lives the more complete and the more lasting this change can be.
  8. I question at times whether we pigeon hole what it means to love or have charity in how it makes us feel. Just as we all communicate love differently I think how it makes us feel can vary as well. For example we can love someone but not like them. So how is that supposed to make us feel? Perhaps how we treat others is a better gauge of where we stand in relationship to them than specific feelings. Of course I say this as one who is not super emotional so perhaps my perspective is skewed. But to me it sounds like there are some definite charitable traits being manifest in your relationship with your sister-in-law if not the typical emotional response.
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    Am extremely important question

    I thought the babes were ditsy blondes that miraculously said some rather intelligent things. No?
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    This seems so uncomfortable

    The conditions spoken of here are post-judgement, meaning that all flaws will have been revealed and addressed. That's not to say people become perfected over night but I don't think it will be easy to simply ignore our imperfections either. Things will definitely be better there, at least in the Celestial kingdom. No promises about the other kingdoms though. But I don't think this was the actual point being made in these verses. I think the point being made is that relationships persist and continue to develop in the eternities. Many religions have a view that the afterlife is something completely foreign to this life but that is not the case. Evil may be overcome but the good things of this life continue on.
  11. Of some Jesus said it were better had they not been born. This would seem to imply that what was to come was in fact not better than what they had before. But for the vast majority there are definite benefits to exiting this fallen world. Though I would hesitate to call it a return to normality because that short stay in the spirit world will quickly yield to a whole new phase of existence with resurrected bodies coupled with a degree of glory. But I would agree with your main assertion that for most better things do await us. Alma I think speaks to this point when he said: "Now behold, it was not expedient that man should be reclaimed from this temporal death, for that would destroy the great plan of happiness." (Alma 42:8) This existence is very necessary but in so many ways it offends God and he looks forward to it ending. So I guess we should view it in a similar way.
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    Doctrine and Covenants 76:24

    It depends on context. Jesus' title as only begotten comes from his having been born of God in the flesh. Meanwhile the begotteness of the inhabitants of other worlds probably refers to their being spiritually the sons and daughters of God. From this standpoint we are all begotten of God. We could probably create another category of begotten for those who are born again of God.
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    Mark 4 - The Parable of the Sower

    We are taught in D&C that the Terrestrial kingdom is for those who are honorable people but not valiant in the testimony of Jesus. To me this is akin to having shallow soil but under the heat of the day do not endure. I think those who are choked by their desire for worldliness may also fall in this category. I have known people who are good people and described as very charitable but who love what the world has to offer too much to put God first. But only God will know where to draw that line between inheriting the Terrestrial or Telestial kingdoms.
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    Conference impressions

    That talk stuck out to me as well @Traveler. There was another speaker, don't remember who, who spoke along a similar theme and gave the example of learning to drive while staring down at the road directly in front of him instead of looking ahead to maintain his course. The ability to see things afar off, in spiritual terms and temporally as well, is vital when pursuing any destination of significant distance. And the distance between this world and God's presence is indeed significant. The problem is that this life is like driving down the strip in Las Vegas and it's very difficult to not get distracted by our immediate surroundings. Fortunately the temple, which sits on a hill above the strip, is THE place to correct our short-sightedness.
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    God Enlightens All Who Listen

    Now that's a real Christian there. I thought it was kind of funny, but completely true, when at the end she asks about how does he intend to get his message across to non Christians and instead of trying to find common ground or some other half measure that implies their belief system is just as good he basically says teach them the gospel of Jesus Christ. There is of course a lot Christians have in common with other faiths but when it comes to accessing the grace of God needed to bring about a change in our very nature's there is no substitute.