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  1. laronius

    Spiritually Theraputic Gardening

    The OP got me thinking about the Fall. Adam and Eve start out in a world where the earth brings forth naturally and bountifully. Then the Fall happens and God tells them the earth will now in large measure be uncooperative but that it is their responsibility to tame it and make it do what by it's fallen nature it doesn't want to do. And so by the sweat of their brow they learn to work both with and against nature to produce desirable fruit. Eventually the knowledge of the Lord will one day fill the earth and it will become a paradise again but in the mean time we spend so much of our mortal probation simply trying to get the earth to sustain our life. Surely the Lord had a lesson or two in mind when he planned this all out. And while the Lord can use all situations to teach us I think there are some things that just can't be taught the same than while tilling the earth, many of which have already been mentioned here.
  2. I recently read a Forbes article about deepfake videos and the threat they pose as technology becomes so advanced that it might become impossible to distinguish between real and fake or at least so real looking that they can deceive people. This new form of deception got me to thinking about how in the scriptures there is much said about deception in the last days and the importance of having the Spirit and seeking spiritual gifts in order to discern between truth and anything intended to deceive. A common saying is "seeing is believing" and while we all know that our senses can be tricked we still of necessity rely to a large degree upon what we see in how we process the world around us and consequently the choices we make in response. But it would seem that we are getting to the point where that form of truth gathering is becoming less and less reliable. The "mists of darkness" in Lehi's dream are becoming more prevalent. This of course is but the latest attempt by Satan to distract, dull or outright deaden all of our senses. In the temple we are blessed specifically to be able to withstand these attacks on our physical senses and their spiritual counterparts. I think that the key to this is the Spirit and its ability to enhance our bodies. I am reminded of Parley P Pratt's comment on the Spirit's effect on the body. The gift of the Holy Ghost … quickens all the intellectual faculties, increases, enlarges, expands and purifies all the natural passions and affections; and adapts them, by the gift of wisdom, to their lawful use. It inspires, develops, cultivates and matures all the fine-toned sympathies, joys, tastes, kindred feelings, and affections of our nature. It inspires virtue, kindness, goodness, tenderness, gentleness, and charity. It develops beauty of person, form and features. It tends to health, vigor, animation, and social feeling. It invigorates all the faculties of the physical and intellectual man. It strengthens, and gives tone to the nerves. In short, it is, as it were, marrow to the bone, joy to the heart, light to the eyes, music to the ears, and life to the whole being. (Key to the Science of Theology, 9th ed. [1965], p. 101) But my question to all this is how much can or perhaps will the Spirit enhance our physical bodies? Of course a priesthood blessing can heal any manner of infirmity but I was wondering if anyone has any experience (not too sacred) that they are willing to share where they felt the Spirit's ability to renew them or their senses physically. Any comments on anything I mentioned are welcome as well.
  3. Back in my college days computer games (and watching Star Trek) were my go to ways of letting my brain "veg." I needed something that allowed me to relax in a way that sleep simply did not offer. So in a sense gaming was actually a help to me in my studies but of course only when done in moderation. Since then I've lost interest in gaming but it served it's purpose back then.
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    Return to Church Guidelines

    When someone is given priesthood keys (the bishop in this case) the person giving those keys (the SP) does not relinquish those authorities. Also, what we have experienced recently wasn't some isolated circumstance that local bishops had to make a decision on. It was actually a temporary policy change that came down from the prophet through the priesthood chain of command. It was the SP responsibility to see that it was implemented in the stake by the bishops. So really it was the prophet that authorized it but the SP was responsible in seeing it carried out.
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    Return to Church Guidelines

    Which is another way of saying those with the keys say this is how it works. The priesthood is always and only exercised under the authority of priesthood keys. Some things just require special permission while others are authorized at the time of preisthood ordination but it's always done under the authority of priesthood keys.
  6. I don't know that I have anything new to add to this conversation. I don't have any answers as what how anything pre-Adamic came to be (meaning humanoid in form) but I do think it's pretty clear that whatever they were they are not the sons and daughters of God. I also think that no matter what words may have been used the intent of what past Church leaders have said is that Adam and Eve, both physically and intelligence, did not descend from these creatures. Beyond that I don't know that the rest really matters.
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    The Slow Return to "Normal"

    That's too bad. Wealth only magnifies weaknesses.
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    Baptisms for the dead

    We don't know exactly what the relationship is between those in paradise and those in spirit prison. It's very possible that they can intermingle to some degree in which case it is likely that the gospel of Jesus Christ would be discussed. But section 138 seems to imply that both the authority and calling (commission) to preach the gospel as official representatives of Christ did not happen until Christ came among them. Another thing of interest is that Christ taught those in paradise: 19 And there he preached to them the everlasting gospel, the doctrine of the resurrection and the redemption of mankind from the fall, and from individual sins on conditions of repentance. So if there existed the need to preach these things to the righteous then what if anything that had been shared with those in prison previously was likely not sufficient.
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    Fun family history stories

    Not quite so far back but a good story. When my parents got married my dad joined the police department. One day as he was sitting on the side of the road he watched a car go by with my mom in the passenger seat and some guy he didn't know driving the car. Well he wasn't going to take that lying down so he flipped his sirens on and chased them down. When they pulled over he approached the car not quite knowing what to expect. When my mom saw it was my dad she smiled and said "Meet my brother Ivan who just returned home from his mission."
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    The Seven Seals

    Better yet I'll record myself reenacting the seven seals by way of interpretive dance. It may not be doctrinally accurate but it will be entertaining.
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    The Seven Seals

    @LiterateParakeet you'll watch an hour long video but you won't read my post??? What if I record it? 😁 Think of it this way, by the time you get done reading my post you'll have gotten a full day's scripture study in. 😉
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    The Seven Seals

    Let me apologize up front as I don't normally like quoting long passages of scriptures as it's not usually a very direct to the point means of getting the point across. But in this case I think context is everything and these verses provide that. I believe the D&C reference to the half hour of silence to be much more instructive than the Book of Revelations one. In D&C 88:81 we read the familiar passage of "it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor." The Lord then goes on to expound upon this topic of the need for us to testify to the world. Then we get to these passages: 88 And after your testimony cometh wrath and indignation upon the people. 89 For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand. 90 And also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings, and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds. 91 And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men’s hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people. 92 And angels shall fly through the midst of heaven, crying with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God, saying: Prepare ye, prepare ye, O inhabitants of the earth; for the judgment of our God is come. Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 93 And immediately there shall appear a great sign in heaven, and all people shall see it together. 94 And another angel shall sound his trump, saying: That great church, the mother of abominations, that made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, that persecuteth the saints of God, that shed their blood—she who sitteth upon many waters, and upon the islands of the sea—behold, she is the tares of the earth; she is bound in bundles; her bands are made strong, no man can loose them; therefore, she is ready to be burned. And he shall sound his trump both long and loud, and all nations shall hear it. So after we the members of the Church testify to the world, the earth and sky testify, and also the heavens testify via angels sounding trumps for all to hear. Then after all this testifying and sounding of trumps we read the next verse: 95 And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; and immediately after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, and the face of the Lord shall be unveiled; So following all of the warnings there is silence, which I take it to mean no more warnings (at least not from heaven). After which the Savior comes. I'm assuming this period of time is given for those truly converted by all the preceding events to get their act in order and also to allow those who are only forced to believe because of all the evidence to return to their old ways, kind of like that period of time in the Book of Mormon between the sign of the Lord's birth and his appearance among them and the destruction of the wicked. There might be more to it than that but that's how I interpret it.
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    Opinions on John Pontius?

    I haven't read any of his stuff but from what I hear he's a little too full of himself for my liking. I don't trust anyone who sets themselves up to be a light unto the world. If they aren't seeking to deceive they are a prime candidate to be deceived. Either way its bad news.
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    The Seven Seals

    Care to elaborate on how you came to this conclusion?
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    The Seven Seals

    Nothing kills a thread faster than @Traveler coming on and implying that anyone who deigns to answer is uninspired of the Lord. 😆 But there is a lot of truth to what he says concerning the need for personal revelation in this matter. Though I wouldn't go so far as to say there is nothing to gain short of that but without it we shouldn't consider it anything more than an educated guess at best. But it is fun to speculate... so long as you see it as such and it doesn't cause you to go off and join some compound somewhere.