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  1. D&C 76:23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father— 24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God The chapter heading summarizes these verses as saying: 18–24, The inhabitants of many worlds are begotten sons and daughters unto God through the Atonement of Jesus Christ
  2. I do believe it was he who said something to that effect. I don't know that Christ being the Savior of other worlds is so much the revealed word of God as it is an extrapolation of revealed teachings, namely section 76 of the D&C which seems to teach that Christ created multiple inhabited worlds so it would make sense that he is the Savior of His creations. Multiple church leaders had taught the doctrine but I don't know that it's considered official.
  3. The number of sins might be finite but the consequences of sin are potentially infinite, so far as we understand it. So that would be an infinite problem solved by an infinite atonement. But we do know that the atonement of Jesus Christ applies to other worlds as well. What I haven't heard is how many other worlds and for what duration. Assuming creation continues by God indefinitely, does that mean this atonement continues to apply to future creations as well? Or just the current ones? I don't know. But that could be a source of infinite sins.
  4. I think that is an apt analogy. It reminded me of Hugh B Brown's currant bush analogy. No matter how good we think we are or even truly are God wants something better for us. He knows our true potential and what it takes to get there.
  5. When we consider the process of our becoming perfected IN Christ, we are ultimately submitting our will to His will and allowing the Spirit to bring about a fundamental change within us. So when we consider on the ascension of Christ to His exalted status we need to ask ourselves whether He did this in and of himself or was He perfected IN someone else, most likely His Father. I am of the opinion it was the latter. If that was the case then the key quality was His complete willingness to submit to the will of the Father. If that is true then why was it not the same for each of us? Why were we not able to be perfected in the same manner? I think the process of becoming perfected requires a unique combination of submission and independence. Acting and not being acted upon while fully submitting to Another's will. It is something that I'm still trying to work out in my own mind. If you get it wrong you end up like those that followed Lucifer in the premortal world and those that do so here in mortality.
  6. We weren't allowed to drink caffeine growing up and I still choose to abstain. But I'm pretty sure there are things I consume food wise (quality and quantity) that are probably worse than caffeine. I've always been intrigued by the potential spiritual ramifications of choices/lifestyles that obey the strict letter of the law of the word of wisdom (things that keep us from holding a temple recommend) but clearly fall short of the spirit of the law. Will people be held spiritually accountable for a shortened lifespan or reduced quality of life for unhealthy eating? Are there other reduced spiritual blessings we experience? If so, it's a topic not discussed enough if at all.
  7. If this world is meant to teach us of our premortal world and the principles we are taught here pertaining to families are eternal in nature, then a good place to start in learning about our Heavenly Parents would be to look at what the Lord sees as the ideal husband/wife/child relationship. "By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children." Perhaps Heavenly Mothers are stay at home moms as well, focused more on nurturing and rearing their spirit children, preparatory to mortality at which point Heavenly Father takes over in providing the necessities of eternal life and protection against Satan. These wouldn't necessarily be a strict and rigid division of responsibilities but rather where greatest emphasis is placed.
  8. I had a similar thought along these lines, though technically it's not being resurrected that they fear. I have had an additional thought and it comes from something Jesus said of Judas Iscariot: Matt 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Being born guarantees being resurrected. Is this what Jesus meant? That for certain individuals being resurrected will not be a good thing?
  9. As members we generally believe that many of the major technological advancements over the last couple of hundred years were inspired of the Lord to help advance His work in the last days. Artificial Intelligence seems to be the most recent major advancement. I know generally what it is but I can't say I'm super familiar with all of it's potential applications (other than cheating in school 😁). For those more in the know, do you think it will play a significant role in furthering the work of the Lord and if so how?
  10. Pres Nelson's wife was the breadwinner for a number of years while he was in school. He openly says as much. But they also didn't put off for many years having kids, as evidenced by his large family. I think we can support the Church's policy on families without assuming the worst of those whose situation does not perfectly match our interpretation of that policy.
  11. I believe it. Though I've also heard it said by general authorities that eventually the world will get dark enough that those desiring to remain faithful will flock to the temple for a reprieve. This I also believe.
  12. All of us are under the same commandment the moment we are born (or at least have reached the age of accountability, depending on how you want to look at it). But obviously the time for fulfilling that commandment is not until a later date, after we are far more prepared to keep it.
  13. This thought did cross my mind, that it's not just being resurrected they fear but judgment in general. Another thought I had concerns what the process of repentance looks like in the spirit world. Many of the temptations we face in this life are connected to our physical bodies. So might it be possible that resurrection is more of a process than immediate event? Where individuals must overcome addictions and learn to control themselves before they receive a glorified perfect body? The thought of having their previously unrestrained urgings restored to them could be a daunting prospect.
  14. I just started reading the Pres Nelson biography by Sheri Dew. In it is referenced an experience his grandfather had of conversing with his own father who had previously passed away. Pres Nelson's grandfather asked about the reality of the resurrection. Pres Nelson's great-grandfather replied: "Yes, my son, as true as can be. You cannot avoid being resurrected. It is just as natural for all to be resurrected as it is to be born and die again. No one can avoid being resurrected. There are many spirits in the spirit world who would to God, that there would be no Resurrection." I thought this was really interesting because we always speak of the resurrection from the perspective of it being a blessing. A comforting thought when people pass away. But, assuming this conversation is reported accurately (which I can't see Pres Nelson relating this story if he didn't believe it himself), it appears that the resurrection is not universally looked on as a positive thing. That's a unique thought for me.
  15. We must also remember a lot of changes can and will take place in the future in the world. Economic turmoil is pretty much guaranteed. Potentially the collapse of the dollar or hyperinflation. Another world war could deprive many families of their bread winners. Plagues could take the lives of many bread winners. With advances in technology many job skills could become obsolete. As persecution increases we could potentially see an increase in break ups of families as loyalties become divided. I'm sure there are even more factors that could influence women's ability to remain out of the workforce.