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  1. Jersey Boy

    Perished if they had remained

    The words “next time” were my words. When Lehi prophesied that the city of Jerusalem was about to be destroyed, the citizens of that city were painfully well aware of the fact that it had recently been attacked and pillaged by the Babylonians. So Lehi didn’t have to use the precise words “next time” because if Jerusalem was going to be attached a second time, that means it would be just as correct to say it’s going to be destroyed the next time the Babylonians attack. In other words, in this instance the expressions ‘next time” and “second time” mean the same thing. As to your second point, the Book of Mormon says that Lehi was well aware of the imprisonment of Jeremiah, an event that took place toward the end of Zedekiah’s reign. So that means Jerusalem was destroyed less than a year after Lehi’s departure. In historical terms,, a span of less than a year of time seems to fit well with the the expression immediately.
  2. Jersey Boy

    Perished if they had remained

    If you had approached this subject with a more open and enquiring mind, instead of immediately jumping at the chance to find fault in order to invalidate the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon, you may have caught the mistakes you made in the above post before you hit ‘Submit Reply.’ If you had bothered to read Lehi’s prophetic warning in the first chapter of the Book of Mormon, you may have realized he didn’t prophesy that Jerusalem was going to, once again, be attacked and pillaged, but his warning was that the next time the Babylonians attacked the city of Jerusalem and the holy temple were going to be “DESTROYED.” The following excerpt is from the Wikipedia article on the subject: “Despite warnings by Jeremiah and others of the pro-Babylonian party, Zedekiah revolted against Babylon and entered into an alliance with Pharaoh Hophra . Nebuchadnezzar returned, defeated the Egyptians, and again besieged Jerusalem, resulting in the city's destruction in 587 BCE.”
  3. Jersey Boy

    Figurative vs Literal

    This incongruous idea of a Book of Mormon that presents itself in a most solemn and unmistakable manner as a true history of a real people, and most solemnly attested to be a real history in no less than the sacred name of Jesus Christ, is a perfect example of how Satan can carefully and cunningly lead the Church of God Into a state apostasy. It’s all so diabolically clever because it’s a strategy to seed the Church with unbelieving but still participating members of record who, if they are not open and transparent about the state of their unbelief (at very least with their bishops), could end up masquerading as testimony bearing members of the Church. This, in turn, could create a detrimental atmosphere of dishonesty and deception that would no doubt hinder a fuller presence of the Spirit of truth and light. Even worse, if such unbelievers developed a proselyting spirit that seeks to gain “converts” to their way of thinking. they may be numbered among those ravening wolves in sheep’s clothing so often warned of in the scriptures. Such people might also serve in the role of “sleeper agents” who could significantly undermine the the Church at a time of crisis when the testimonies of the saints need to be strengthened. I can almost imagine the Adversary and his generals gathered for a strategy session as one of them speaks up and says, “I’ve got a better idea... Instead of destroying the testimonies of the Latter-Day Saints so that they leave Church and harass it from without, better yet, let’s destroy their testimonies and find a way to keep them in the Church where they’ll be in a much better positions to do significant harm.” On the flip side, I do acknowledge that for the more sincere and humble among the “Book of Mormon as fantasy” crowd, it may be better for them to remain in the Church where there’s a better chance to regain their weakened testimonies.
  4. The answer is no. Women are doomed to have to deal with cellulite, crows feet and stretch marks until the day of regeneration..
  5. Jersey Boy

    Seven Archangels (esoteric stuff)

    I have always believed Christ is the head of the Meridian Dispensation. Why I got sidetracked tonight into suggesting that Peter is its head of that Dispensation is beyond me. Perhaps it’s because I usually think of Archangels as being the heads of the dispensations, not God.
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    Seven Archangels (esoteric stuff)

    After investigating some of the genealogical information recorded in the scriptures, it appears that after the death of Adam, Enoch spent 57 years on earth as the Lord’s presiding high priest and prophet prior to being translated and taken to heaven. If one considers the fact that the prophet Joseph Smith had served a mere 14 years as the Lord’s presiding high priest and prophet when he died, yet he now serves as the head of the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times, it seems to me that serving 57 years as the Lord’s presiding high priest and prophet is more than enough time for Enoch to be designated the head of a dispensation. Peter is the head of Dispensation of the Meridian of Time, and he spent about 35 years as the presiding high priest, 22 years less than Enoch did. The only way mordorbund could be considered correct in his assertion is if Adam outlived Enoch, but he didn’t. Enoch lived in mortality about 57 years beyond the death of Adam. .
  7. The very real sounding voices, the seemingly real sounds of things breaking, and the very real appearing figure of a greenish witch (none of which actually are real) are all manifestations consistent with a temporary bout of childhood schizophrenia, a psychological malady that some children simply outgrow.
  8. Jersey Boy

    Lamb of God

    During the years Lehi and his entourage wandered in the wilderness of the Middle East, before their arrival in the American promised land, the Book of Mormon tells us they often built alters unto the Lord and thereon regularly offered sacrifices and burnt offerings unto God in the similitude of the infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice of the Son of God. The powerful image of innocent lambs often being slain by blood sacrifice in accordance with the Law of Moses, which law the Lehites were obliged to obey, undoubtedly made a deep and powerful impression upon Nephi’s soul, heart and mind, and so the angel was simply drawing on powerful symbolic imagery of the atonement of Christ with which Nephi was already very well aquainted.
  9. Jersey Boy

    Doctrine and Covenants 138 Q

    When one is dealing with obvious facts, and not with purely speculative opinions, there’s no need to pretend he might be wrong for the sake of sparing delicate feelings. Read it.
  10. Jersey Boy

    Doctrine and Covenants 138 Q

    I guess you missed the portion of Section 138 that makes the teaching perfectly clear. If the leaders aren’t teaching the doctrine, ithey’re doing so without reference to the content of Section 138, not because of it. I encourage you to go back and reread 138 because the pertinent portions on the subject are perfectly and unambiguously clear.
  11. Jersey Boy

    Doctrine and Covenants 138 Q

    Only if you reject the truthfulness and doctrinal validity of what I stated in my previous post because you didn’t fully comprehend the meaning of Section 138 when you previously read it. So if you disagree with what I wrote in my previous post, go back and carefully reread it and see if you still disagree with my analysis after you’re finished.
  12. Jersey Boy

    Doctrine and Covenants 138 Q

    Doctrine and Covenants 138 reveals that the unrighteousness and rebellious spirits who are confined to the spirit prison, because they rejected the Gospel of Christ and prophets of God while in the flesh, will have the opportunity to hear, learn, believe and live the gospel in the spirit world. Additionally, after the resurrection these same formerly unrighteousness and rebellious spirits will, be saved in one of the three realms of post-resurrection heavenly glory only by virtue of at least receiving the vicariously performed gospel ordinances of baptism and conference of the gift of the Holy Ghost. In other words, no one can be forgiven and saved in even the telestial kingdom of post-resurrection glory without receiving the first principles and ordinances of the gospel. Indeed, Doctrine and Covenants 138 reveals some new and glorious truths that are not as plainly disclosed in the previous revelations. P.S. Before anyone jumps down my throat and tries to assert that what I wrote above isn’t true, please slowly and carefully read Section 138 before opining.
  13. Jersey Boy

    Suffering

    As it was in the case of Alma the younger, the inflicting of justice is often the means which softens hearts and opens the doors to great outpourings of mercy.
  14. Jersey Boy

    Suffering

    Yes, the reason why God’s punishment can be endless for some is because they steadfastly refuse to repent. Those who refuse to repent will continue to suffer for their sins until they finally learn to humble themselves before God and repent. There is no other way to escape from the grasp of eternal justice than to repent. The unpardonable sin of the sons of perdition, which causes them to suffer endlessly, is that they stubbornly refuse to repent until it is everlastingly too late, when the ability to sincerely repent is no longer in their nature. These are the only ones of which it has been said will remain “filthy still” after the final judgement. All the rest will be ultimately be forgiven and inherit a place in one of the Father’s many heavenly mansions of glory ..
  15. Jersey Boy

    Suffering

    Doctrine and Covenants 76 makes it clear that the suffering for one’s own sins, so graphically described in Doctrine and Covenants 19, is designed in the wisdom of God to help those suffering individuals develop authentic faith in Christ and a sincere desire to receive forgiveness through the promise of salvation extended to all mankind by virtue the atoning sacrifice of Christ. This process of enduring spiritual suffering, toward the goal of eventual personal redemption, is described in Section 76 as being cast into “the wine press of the fierceness of the wrath of Almighty God.” This great spiritual wine press, where one is caused to continually suffer the agonizing consequences of his own sins, continues until his heart is softened and he finally arrives at the point where he comes to the realization that he is doomed to suffer endlessly unless he chooses to gratefully receive the forgiveness and salvation extended to him through Christ’s redeeming love.