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  1. Are you sure the fall doesn’t damn us? The Book of Mormon teaches that in spite of the resurrection there will be those among the resurrected who will be “as if there had been no redemption made?” In spite of their resurrection, the sons of perdition are fully cursed by the fall.
  2. Alma 40 is in complete harmony with Doctrine and Covenants 76. Alma diligently enquired of God to know the state of all men between death and the resurrection, and an angel (no less) answered Alma’s earnest inquiry.. The angel revealed that at death all men, whether they be good or evil, are first taken home to that God who gave them life. Brigham Young said that, in this context, the meaning of being taken home to God is that all men, whether they be good or evil, are placed within the reach of God’s grace as he continues to strive with men, including the wicked, in order to bring to pass their eventual salvation in one of the three kingdoms of heavenly glory. It’s important to understand that whether the spirits of men are placed in paradise or in the spirit prison, God’s presence and empowered teaching missionaries are there striving with both the righteous and the wicked in order to either convert them to the gospel of Jesus Christ or more fully convert them (as Doctrine and Covenants 138 so amply demonstrates). But eventually there will come a time, just prior to the final judgement, when God’s arm of mercy and forbearance will be withdrawn, and by then all men will have either been resurrected into glory crossed OR over into paradise awaiting resurrection after having been taught the gospel of the Son of God and sincerely accepting it. Meanwhile those who yet remain in the spirit prison will be none other than the utterly rebellious and unconverted sons of perdition. If you read Alma 40 with the above perspective, it becomes obvious that the wicked spoken of in verse 13 are the sons of perdition who would not avail themselves the mercy they were being offered. 11 Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection—Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life. 12 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous (i.e. all those who will eventually accept the gospel, including the repentant wicked) are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow. 13 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord (an obvious reference to the sons of perdition)’; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness (another obvious reference to the sons of perdition) ; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil. 14 Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection (the wicked who accept the gospel in the spirit prison will be transferred to paradise prior to their resurrection). Alma 40
  3. I guess you missed the part that testifies those who are worthy of the Celestial Kingdom will possess the fullness of eternal glory, which means they will be humble, meek and lowly in heart, the very opposite of arrogant, cliquish snobs. Is your post a joke?
  4. The atoning sacrifice of Christ is infinite and eternal. It’s manifold blessings of salvation extend forever into the past and forever into the future. This is why the Bible tells us the Savior was slain even before the world was. Any spiritual progress toward holiness that was achieved by the spirit children of God in the pre-earth life was only realized through their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, just as it is in this phase of our existence. Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.
  5. It escapes me how one could ever expect to become like the Savior without feeling the same holy spiritual emotions that motivate him to be as he is and do as he does. Without feeling the Spirit, our works are dead works that profit nothing.
  6. Although it is not widely understood in the Church, in the beginning Jesus Christ participated with his Father in the creation of man, as is amply demonstrated in the following verse from the Pearl of Great Price. 26 And I, God, said unto mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning: Let US make man in OUR image, after our likeness; and it was so. And I, God, said: Let them have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Moses 2)
  7. Because Christ’s atoning sacrifice of suffering for sin is infinite and eternal in scope and nature, he atoned for every sin that has ever been committed by every soul who has ever lived, is now living, and will yet live until there be time no more. But the immutable truth is that the mighty salvative blessings and benefits of Christ’s atoning sacrifice can only be accessed through living faith in him as Savior and Redeemer, followed by sincere repentance for sin. The only instances in which it will appear AS IF no redemption had made is in the case of those individuals who refuse to humble themselves before Almighty God, exercise faith in Christ and repent of their sins. The only individuals who will ultimately be found in the category of those for whom it will be AS IF no redemption had been made will be the sons of perdition. All others will eventually choose to exercise faith in Christ unto repentance and thereby receive a remission of their sins. Doctrine and Covenants 138 make this last point very clearly. One must be careful to not confuse the state of being so obstinately unrepentant that it seems AS IF no redemption has been made, with the fact that the Saviour did indeed suffer more than adequately for each and every sin that has ever been committed. The great tragedy of the sons of perdition lies in the fact that they refuse to accept a priceless gift of forgiveness, the cost of which has been paid in full by a loving Benefactor..
  8. Christ atoned only for the sins of those who exercise faith in him and sincerely repent. For those who do not come down in the depths of humility and repent, it is as though no atoning sacrifice has been made. 5 But remember that he that persists in his own carnal nature, and goes on in the ways of sin and rebellion against God, remaineth in his fallen state and the devil hath all power over him. Therefore he is as though there was no redemption made, being an enemy to God; and also is the devil an enemy to God. (Mosiah 16)
  9. Just as an aside, I’ve been trying to understand why so many people in today’s America say, “No, you’re right” (and other such similar incongruous expressions) rather than saying, Yes, you’re right.” As a consequence, I’ve been trying to locate some kind of English language expert who can explain to me why this strange linguistic phenomenon is happening so often lately? “Am I right in my assessment?” Yes. “If so, is it good?” Yes. So maybe someone can explain to me why so many 21st century Americans start affirmative answers to yes and no questions with a ‘no’ rather than a “yes?’
  10. If you had taken a moment to perform a simple search of the Book of Mormon you could have quickly answered your own questions. While on the Church website, I searched the Book of Mormon for any use of the word Hebrew and I found the following statement from the prophet Mormon written a thousand years after the Lehites first arrived in America. 33 And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record. (Mormon 9) So yes, the Nephites could read and write a somewhat altered form of Hebrew one thousand years after their first arrival in America.
  11. Whom do you think is confusing the Brass Plates with the Gold Plates?
  12. It’s appears obvious you’ve never read the Book of Mormon, or if you have you didn’t retain the information found therein that answers your question. Do you remember anything about the Brass Plates, written in Hebrew, that the Nephites brought with them to America from the Holy Land? If you keep trying to play gotcha while remaining in ignorance of the LDS basics, you’re going to continue to needlessly paint yourself in a negative light.
  13. Alvin was baptized. As soon as the doctrine of baptism for the dead was revealed, Joseph Smith had his older brother Hyrum vicariously baptized for their beloved deceased older brother. When Joseph Smith had this vision in 1836 his father and his mother were still alive! Joseph Smith Sr died in 1840, 4 years after the vision, and Luck Mack Smith died in 1856, 20 years after the vision. So what the prophet Joseph Smith saw in 1836 was a vision of his Father, Mother, and brother Alvin as they would be in the future, after the final judgment and the resurrection.of the dead. All those who inherit the celestial kingdom of post-resurrected glory must first be baptized either in the flesh or vicariously after death for the remission of sins. Doctrine and Covenants 76 testifies that the inheritors of the Celestial glory “are they who received the testimony of Jesus, and believed on his name and were baptized after the manner of his burial, being buried in the water in his name, and this according to the commandment which he has given...”