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  1. Doctrine and Covenants 76 tells us that the inheritors of the Telestial kingdom of glory will enjoy the enlightening and empowering companionship of the Holy Spirit, the third member of the Godhead, and that they will also be ministered to (taught) by angelic ministrants and by beings of greater light and knowledge from the terrestrial glory. If you are correct, how strange it is to contemplate that many of the inheritors of the Telestial glory will somehow simultaneously be “repentant“ murderers and whoremongers, who enjoy the companionship of holy ministrants, yet they will apparently skulk around wishing they could kill people and/or engage in unholy and impure sex acts. I‘m guessIng that in the Telestial kingdom the earthly rules are bent so one can simultaneously enjoy the companionship of the Holy Ghost yet remain impure and unclean.
  2. According to the scriptures, you’ve already been alive and aware forever. Are you bored yet?
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    Mosiah 4:7

    Absolutely wrong. It’s amazing how the correct answers to your erroneous ideas are right there in the scriptures, in language so simple, plain and obvious that they can’t be misunderstood. But it’s apparent you don’t realize those verses are staring you right in the face. But on the positive side, I imagine it must be kind of fun to be able to come up will all sorts of nonsensical ideas without any kind of restraint, and be able to imagine that they might actually be true.
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    Who is God: LDS and NAE versions

    For some inexplicable reason, nearly all Latter-Day Saints fail to realize that in the theology of the restoration the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are indeed each filled to eternal fullness with an uncreated divine substance that God himself calls the Spirit of Truth, which is the same spiritual substance that, to a lesser degree, unifies the saints of the Church with their God and to each other. So in the theology of the restored Church of Jesus Christ there really is a shared spiritual substance that fills, to an I nfinite and eternal degree, each member of the Godhead — the self-existent Spirit of Truth that enables the three members of the Godhead to operate as one perfectly unified God. And it’s important to understand that the Latter-Day Saints testify that the Spirit of Truth is an actual material substance, howbeit a more refined and pure one. There are two main differences between the Latter-Day Saint understanding of the Godhead and the understanding of the the Godhead by heirs of historical Christianity: 1) The Latter-Day Saints believe the personage of the Father has a perfect body of flesh and bone. Meanwhile the heirs historical Christianity believe the person of Father has has no body and is immaterial. 2) We are able to actually identify that shared spiritual substance of divine light, power and intelligence, alluded to by non-LDS Christians, that unifies the three members of the Godhead and empowers them to perfectly think, feel and act as one unified God. Contrarily, the heirs of historical Christianity assert that the nature of the mysterious substance that unifies each person in the Godhead is an unknowable, incomprehensible mystery. In other words, we know what the unifying substance actually is (the Spirit of Truth), while our non-LDS Christian friends frankly admit they don’t know and even can’t know what the unifying substance is. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has simply demystified the unity of the Godhead. 13 The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things. (D&C 88) Please note that this verse is referring to an actual material substance...
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    GA made a bold prediction

    Hate to burst your bubble, but I guess you’ll have now have to decide if an entry in a Church member’s notebook supersedes the word of God, spoken from his very mouth, and given as holy scripture to the Church in THIS dispensation... 6 And they have done unto the aSon of Man even as they listed; and he has taken his power on the bright hand of his cglory, and now reigneth in the heavens, and will reign till he descends on the earth to put all enemies dunder his feet, which time is nigh at hand— 7 I, the Lord God, have spoken it; but the hour and the aday no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor shall they know until he comes. (D&C 49) ”
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    GA made a bold prediction

    There might be a perfectly non-sensational explanation to the General Authority’s comment. I say this because most Latter-Day Saints appear to be unaware of the fact that the scriptures clearly testify all worthy individuals will “be around” at the Second Coming. Those saints who have already been resurrected, such as Peter and Moroni, will descend to the earth by the millions with the Lord. Then those who have ‘died in the Lord’ will be resurrected and ascend through the air to meet him and the previously resurrected multitude and descend to the earth with them. Finally, those who are alive on the earth and worthy of the honor will die, and then be resurrected in the ‘twinkling of an eye,’ and also ascend to meet the Lord and his gathered resurrected hosts before they all descend to the earth. So all the worthy will ‘be around” at the Second Coming. Those living on the earth who survive the destructions attendant to the Second Coming, but who are not worthy of the privilege of ascending to the Lord and his hosts and descending with them, will be like unto the Nephites who were visited by the Savior around the time of his resurrection — more righteous than those who were destroyed but not yet fully converted. it would be very interesting to hear what this General Authority said before and after his comment so as to be able to understand what he said in full context.
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    If you had read two chapters later in Mormon, you question about Nephite survivors would need answered... 2 And now it came to pass that after the great and tremendous battle at Cumorah, behold, the Nephites who had escaped into the country southward were hunted by the Lamanites, until they were all destroyed. 3 And my father also was killed by them, and I even remain alone to write the sad tale of the destruction of my people. But behold, they are gone, and I fulfil the commandment of my father. And whether they will slay me, I know not. 4 Therefore I will write and hide up the records in the earth; and whither I go it mattereth not. 5 Behold, my father hath made this record and he hath written the intent thereof. And behold, I would write it also if I had room upon the plates, but I have not; and ore I have none, for I am alone. My father hath been slain in battle, and all my kinsfolk, and I have not friends nor whither to go; and how long the Lord will suffer that I may live I know not. (Mormon 😎 and... 7 And behold, the Lamanites have hunted my people, the Nephites, down from city to city and from place to place, even until they are no more; and great has been their fall; yea, great and marvelous is the destruction of my people, the Nephites. (Mormon 😎
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    Divine identity of Jesus

    It appears you missed the core point of the message and somehow got sidetracked into focusing on tangential issues. The basic point being made is that rather than enlightening young Joseph’s mind to help him to come to a deeper understanding of and appreciation for the Savior, the zealous preaching of those contending ministers filled his mind with darkness and confusion. By contrast, an actual theophanic vision of the Father and the Son, a dramatic and extremely powerful form of personal revelation, instantaneously dispelled all of the darkness and confusion that had previously afflicted Joseph by filling his mind with certainty and a flood of revelatory light. It’s like the prophet Joseph Smith once said, “a man can learn more by gazing into heaven for five minutes than he ever could by spending a lifetime reading books on the subject.” The bottom line? Personal revelation is a far superior way to learn about the things of God than listening to the preaching of ministers who wrongly assert apostles, prophets are no longer needed in the Church and that the canon of scripture is permanently filled.
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    Punishment at the great and last day

    The state of innocence of Adam and Eve in the garden is directly analogous to, if not exactly like, the innocence of children prior to arriving at the age of accountability. Bright children who are nearly 8 years of age already possess a fair amount of accumulated knowledge and wisdom, but not nearly enough to be held to the same degree of accountability as full-grown adults whose brains are fully formed and who have long since passed beyond the time of sexual awakening at puberty. All males and females on this earth experience an innocent “garden of Eden phase” that lasts from birth to the age of accountability. But when the first knowing transgression is committed after entering the age of accountability they fall from their childhood Eden and enter the lone and dreary world where they will be punished for their own sins. Any insightful Latter-Day Saint who’s paid keen attention during the temple endowment will understand what I’m saying.
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    Punishment at the great and last day

    When one considers what occurred in the war in heaven, it becomes perfectly obvious that the spirits who dwelt in heaven at the foundation of the world had the ability and, just as importantly, the opportunity to choose between good and evil. Without the ability to choose between good and evil we would have to be either totally enslaved or mindless automatons.
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    Punishment at the great and last day

    When we were premortal spirits, we lived in the immediate presence of God. After an indeterminate period of time of learning and growing spiritually while in the immediate presence of our heavenly parents, we came to a point in our progression when it became necessary to leave heaven so we could learn to believe in and trust in God while separated from his glorious presence In addition, it was further deemed needful that we should enter a fallen state in which our spirits could be clothed with mortal bodies that would cause us to experience a great trial of faith to learn how to overcome the lusts of the flesh through our faith in Christ. The fallen nature was designed in wisdom to be a time of trial to determine whether or not we would continue to believe In God and obey his will while outside of his immediate presence and in conditions of extreme spiritual adversity.
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    Punishment at the great and last day

    The particular aspect of Christ’s redemption that the prophet Lehi speaks of in the verse you quoted is the redemption from the state of total spiritual death and abandonment that would have existed in the post-fall world if there had been no infinite and eternal atoning sacrifice of Christ. Lehi’s prophet son Jacob very graphically describes the horrific state of existence fallen man would have been subjected to if the atoning Lamb of God had not been slain from the foundation of the world... 8 O the wisdom of God, his mercy and grace! For behold, if the flesh should rise no more our spirits must become subject to that angel who fell from before the presence of the Eternal God, and became the devil, to rise no more. 9 And our spirits must have become like unto him, and we become devils, angels to a devil, to be shut out from the presence of our God, and to remain with the father of lies, in misery, like unto himself; yea, to that being who beguiled our first parents, who transformeth himself nigh unto an angel of light, and stirreth up the children of men unto secret combinations of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness. (2 Nephi 9) But both Jacob and Lehi testify that because of the merciful redemptive sacrifice of Christ the effects of the fall are partially mitigated and man is not totally cut off from the presence and uplifting influence of God, for it’s by virtue of Christ’s holy offering that a portion of his light “lighteth every man who cometh into the world.” This portion of divine light given to every human being enables them to have at least a basic understanding of the differences between good and evil, and because of that basic understanding of the difference between good and evil they are made moral agents who have the freedom to choose the path that leads to life and light or the path that leads to death and darkness. Finally, the punishment of the law at the great and last day is when God casts into spiritual outer darkness those who used their God given freedom to follow the the path that leads to death and darkness but, tragically, utterly refused to gratefully come unto Christ in faith and sincerely repent until it is everlastingly too late.
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    Perished if they had remained

    The words “next time” were my words. When Lehi prophesied that the city of Jerusalem was about to be destroyed, the citizens of that city were painfully well aware of the fact that it had recently been attacked and pillaged by the Babylonians. So Lehi didn’t have to use the precise words “next time” because if Jerusalem was going to be attached a second time, that means it would be just as correct to say it’s going to be destroyed the next time the Babylonians attack. In other words, in this instance the expressions ‘next time” and “second time” mean the same thing. As to your second point, the Book of Mormon says that Lehi was well aware of the imprisonment of Jeremiah, an event that took place toward the end of Zedekiah’s reign. So that means Jerusalem was destroyed less than a year after Lehi’s departure. In historical terms,, a span of less than a year of time seems to fit well with the the expression immediately.
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    Perished if they had remained

    If you had approached this subject with a more open and enquiring mind, instead of immediately jumping at the chance to find fault in order to invalidate the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon, you may have caught the mistakes you made in the above post before you hit ‘Submit Reply.’ If you had bothered to read Lehi’s prophetic warning in the first chapter of the Book of Mormon, you may have realized he didn’t prophesy that Jerusalem was going to, once again, be attacked and pillaged, but his warning was that the next time the Babylonians attacked the city of Jerusalem and the holy temple were going to be “DESTROYED.” The following excerpt is from the Wikipedia article on the subject: “Despite warnings by Jeremiah and others of the pro-Babylonian party, Zedekiah revolted against Babylon and entered into an alliance with Pharaoh Hophra . Nebuchadnezzar returned, defeated the Egyptians, and again besieged Jerusalem, resulting in the city's destruction in 587 BCE.”
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    Figurative vs Literal

    This incongruous idea of a Book of Mormon that presents itself in a most solemn and unmistakable manner as a true history of a real people, and most solemnly attested to be a real history in no less than the sacred name of Jesus Christ, is a perfect example of how Satan can carefully and cunningly lead the Church of God Into a state apostasy. It’s all so diabolically clever because it’s a strategy to seed the Church with unbelieving but still participating members of record who, if they are not open and transparent about the state of their unbelief (at very least with their bishops), could end up masquerading as testimony bearing members of the Church. This, in turn, could create a detrimental atmosphere of dishonesty and deception that would no doubt hinder a fuller presence of the Spirit of truth and light. Even worse, if such unbelievers developed a proselyting spirit that seeks to gain “converts” to their way of thinking. they may be numbered among those ravening wolves in sheep’s clothing so often warned of in the scriptures. Such people might also serve in the role of “sleeper agents” who could significantly undermine the the Church at a time of crisis when the testimonies of the saints need to be strengthened. I can almost imagine the Adversary and his generals gathered for a strategy session as one of them speaks up and says, “I’ve got a better idea... Instead of destroying the testimonies of the Latter-Day Saints so that they leave Church and harass it from without, better yet, let’s destroy their testimonies and find a way to keep them in the Church where they’ll be in a much better positions to do significant harm.” On the flip side, I do acknowledge that for the more sincere and humble among the “Book of Mormon as fantasy” crowd, it may be better for them to remain in the Church where there’s a better chance to regain their weakened testimonies.