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  1. Could it be happening? Yes, I'm fairly confident that the probability of such a thing is much greater than 0. How common I don't know, nor do I have any good ideas for actually measuring how common it is. In short, I believe it happens. I believe it has happened to me. I'm not sure what to really do about if, if anything should be done about it at all. Overly compelled? I think there is some peer pressure (or similar) say that we know the Church is true, but I'm not sure how "overly" compelling that pressure is. Speaking only for myself, I have said that I know something is true when my confidence in that thing was really not strong enough to warrant the I know part of the statement. Some of that could have been the heat of the moment (sometimes emotions are running high during the testimony meeting). Some of it could be immaturity. Peer pressure like that was much stronger when I was younger, but now I don't feel the same need to live up to expectations. If my confidence is only I believe or I hope, then that's how I express my testimony, I feel less compelled to overstate my testimony than when I was younger. To @Just_A_Guy's point, this is certainly something I would only judge for myself -- whether I am overstating my testimony due to peer pressure. I don't want to set myself up as any kind of judge over whether someone else is overstating their testimony.
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    This was ironic

    "The Church of Jesus Christ of Milk" -- My grandfather was a dairy farmer, though not Italian. Close enough?
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    Kwaku at Payson Bible Church debate

    I've tried to listen to some of it, and it has been as cringeworthy as I expected. They have adopted a standard debate format. Jeremy clearly has the advantage of 2000 years of rigorous Christian theology behind him and Kweku is disadvantaged by a theology that has much less time and a certain disdain for rigorous philosophy/theology. Jeremy, as a good "sola scriptura" Christian leans heavily on Biblical authority (or, at least, his mainstream interpretation of the Bible). I think I've had as much as I can take. I may pick it back up if they leave the recording up, but I don't know. I still wish we had a better model for dialoguing about our differences that was less adversarial.
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    This was ironic

    If Jana Riess and Ben Knowles data is right, there is a segment of the younger generations that would be perfectly happy in that particular offshoot Church. By the by -- don't I recall @prisonchaplain once saying something about coffee being something he couldn't give up -- being from the Seattle area and all? Perhaps he would be interested in this offshoot?
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    Kwaku at Payson Bible Church debate

    Amen. The notion, to me, minimizes the quest for truth into a "winner/loser" scenario where the winner is decided by who has the best talking points, can think on his/her feet the fastest, whose [human] logic is deemed best, etc. Couple that with the topic "Who is God", which is a topic that I think most of us will agree is difficult at best to really understand with our mortal understanding let alone the ability to express it in a logically coherent manner (or maybe it is just me that has trouble), and a standard debate just does not feel like the right format for discussing and discovering God. Part of me would like to hope that it can become something more like a discussion/discovery of similarities and differences (like Robinson and Blomberg's book How Wide the Divide) rather than a need to press for a winner/loser debate. I guess I am not optimistic that it becomes that.
  6. Heard this announced on the radio, then saw the ad on Facebook, so I thought I would post it here -- just in case anyone is interested. It appears that Kwaku from the Saints Unscripted youtube show is going to Payson Bible Church to discuss/debate who is God Friday evening. They claim they will live stream it. I'm not quite sure how I feel about it -- not sure how any of you would feel about it, but however we feel about it doesn't matter. I couldn't find a better event announcement than the one on PBC's Facebook page:
  7. When I was young (during MG's Satanic Panic), I picked up a copy of the game, then got rid of it because my friends and I who were getting started with me bought into the "devil worship" angle. Later, as I got older and less naive, I discovered that there is a contingent of Christianity that declares any fantasy franchise involving "magic" (including things like Harry Potter) as part of the occult. I now regret abandoning the game so readily, because it is fun. I don't see D&D as anything more than escapist fantasy -- no different from any other role playing game or video game or fantasy novels/movies or other fictional franchises.
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    Can you please help me respond??

    I think laronius is on to something here. Yesterday, interestingly, Pastor Lutzer on the Q&A segment of his radio show tackled the question "can we separate salvation by faith from discipleship?" ( ). Pastor Lutzer kind of hedged on the answer, but basically would not say that anything is required beyond that initial statement of faith. On another occasion, he responded to the question, "Is repentance required for salvation?" His response was to call that question "a hornet's nest" because there was a lot of debate in Christian circles. Again he kind of hedged that repentance should follow faith, but would not declare it necessary. It sometimes seems that some Protestants will take the "sola fide" part of their theology so seriously that they are very careful to never demand any action on our part to be saved. At this point, I don't think I would be seeking "answers" to his claim that baptism is not required. I might be seeking more to understand his position in more detail. As @Anddenex asked, does he pick and choose commandments to obey, or does he believe that obedience to any commandment is not required? At the end of the day, if your friend is Protestant and you are not, there may not be an "answer" other than, "My study of the scriptures leads me to believe that God expects us to strive to obey commandments." and agree to disagree from there.
  9. I don't think we will owe the porn industry anything. The porn industry is not approaching this from a moral right/wrong perspective (if they even can approach anything from a moral right/wrong perspective), but from a simple practical or pragmatic perspective. I see this as similar to (though maybe starkly clearer than) the other practical issues that transgender people trigger. How do we handle trans women competing against cis women in athletic contests? How should a choir teacher/director deal with a trans-man who wants to sing in the bass section? In the changing landscape, our society is not fully settled on how to deal with transgender people in some of these special circumstances where the physical differences between biological males/females become important or even crucial (with porn, what the camera sees is crucial). The porn industry will be looking for a practical solution to the problem, not a moral solution.
  10. Maybe it bucks the trend of the other responses, but I will offer this. Without knowing exactly how much alone time you really have or how much more "me" time you want, I would venture to say that dads (and moms, too) all deserve a reasonable amount of "me" time. What constitutes a reasonable amount depends on the person and the family, and I don't think we on this side of the internet have any way of knowing exactly what that looks like for you (that's probably where a neutral 3rd party counselor could really help). It seems clear to me from this thread that you need (or at least think you need) more "me" time than you are currently getting. One of the things I learned from Dr. Harley's His Needs Her Needs (mentioned earlier in the thread) is that if meeting your wife's needs causes you pain or causes you to sacrifice your important needs, you will eventually develop some kind of aversion or resentment towards meeting her needs. Do you like country music? Pull up "Too Cold at Home" by Mark Chestnut, and think about what it must be like to not want to go home. I expect it doesn't take a lot of searching to find men (and women) who will hang out at the bar, the golf course, take on extra work, etc. all so they can avoid going home. IMO, we don't want to become that guy who avoids going home because his wife won't let him have a little "me" time. We are only hearing your side of the story, and even then it is a very incomplete picture of what's going on. It sounds like you might as a family just be in a difficult time of life, where you have extra demands at work/school which limits the time you have for everything else and you need to balance that limited time/energy between yourself, your wife, and your family, and that gets to be difficult. I think a good marriage has to find a workable balance between Work's (both Dad's and Mom's) time, Dad's time, Mom's time, couple's time, and family time somewhere within the constraints of the limited time that we are given. It appears to me that you are in the midst of discovering just how hard that can be. I wish I had a concrete answer for you, but I don't. Maybe some intense and careful introspection -- how much of what types of personal time do you really need (and how much of what you want can you really do without)? Where are the work and other outside demands on your time coming from and can you change them (say no to a project at work or delegate more to coworkers)? Anything else that your introspection leads you to consider? Your wife probably needs a similar exercise. Then come together (I can still see value in having a neutral 3rd party present for some of these conversations) and figure out what you can do as a family to balance everyone's needs. I really wish I had more to offer.
  11. +1, and I will add a couple of links to Hawaiian based resources: From the second link, a little how to recognize abuse, if you want. Please get some help from someone.
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    Women and children as witnesses

    It is an interesting idea, and one that maybe needs its own thread to really explore rather than a threadjack. However, when has that stopped anyone from making a threadjack, right? I note the following from Handbook 2: For the ordinance of administering to the sick (section 20.6): " Only Melchizedek Priesthood holders may administer to the sick or afflicted. " For Father's blessings and blessings of comfort (section 20.8): "... one or more Melchizedek Priesthood holders place ..." In the one case, the word "Only" would seem to preclude women's participation in the ordinance. In the other case, the wording is less strict, but still makes no mention of women participating. I notice that your two statements are from the early and mid 20th century. From what I know of the history (without any expertise to verify the research presented to me), the trend was towards less women participating in ordinances like these throughout the 20th century. Like @clwnuke, I was under the impression that women could not participate at all in performing these ordinances. Not knowing the official answer to the question, I offer these thoughts. 1) Is it a case of "if it is not explicitly forbidden it is allowed" or "if it is not explicitly allowed it is forbidden"? 2) We often talk about not relying on "old" quotes from past Church leaders. Do we have anything newer than the '70s or '80s that would validate the older positions of Joseph, Joseph F, and Joseph Fielding Smith(s)? 3) In the spirit of "home centered -- church supported" does a wife/mother even need the Church's permission to participate with her husband in these ordinances? Like @clwnuke, I have always been under the impression that women should not participate in these ordinances, though I cannot find a specific prohibition against such. Part of me (the rebellious part, probably) would like to think that women can claim the right to participate whether the Church officially grants permission or not, but I am also mindful of AoF #5. I would feel a lot better about this practice if there was a newer affirmation that women could participate in these ordinances like you describe. With the steam that the feminist movement has (even among Church members), if we were at all comfortable with the older statements, I would think there would be more recent affirmations of the practice. In the absence of those affirmations, I am hesitant to accept the practice by virtue of the older statements alone.
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    Women and children as witnesses

    If I understand the article, a temple recommend is required to witness baptisms for the dead in the temple (because being in the temple is necessary to witness those). However, any baptized member -- with or without a recommend -- may serve as a witness to baptism for the living outside of the temple. Again, assuming I am understanding the Des News reporting.
  14. Just saw this reported in the Deseret News. Apparently, Pres. Nelson announced to a leadership session that girls and women may now be witnesses for baptisms and sealings:
  15. @Anddenex I too have been wondering about medallions/emblems/trinkets. As a cub scout leader, I find that some boys and parents are not too worried about the trinket. Others really look forward to receiving their trinket "award". I recall a mention of medallions on Sunday, but I seem to recall it was part of an If statement. If you as leaders or parents decide to include medallions (or other trinket) you may. It was unclear to me if those optional medallions would be officially part of the Church's program, or if each unit would decide what trinkets (if any) and would then source those trinkets from outside sources. I am expecting that this will be part of the "flexibility" of the program, where local units/parents/leaders will decide if the trinkets will help motivate their youth or not and choose how to include those trinkets when motivating their youth.