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  1. 3 points
    It's Thanksgiving Day, so I figured I'd announce that, yes I am thankful for the nearly 23 years the LORD has allowed me to serve as a prison chaplain. Alas, mandatory retirement is fast approaching, and I prayerfully put in to do so at the end of this year. Next steps likely include my continuing as a volunteer pastor and transitioning to my first love--teaching. It's not yet certain how that will look, but I am convinced that what lies ahead will be even better than that which is passing. Oh … and no, I'm not retiring from here. Mercy has its limits.
  2. 1 point
    pam

    Make the Forums Great Again

    It's been sad over the last few years to see the forums dwindle to almost nothing. I realize that we lost a lot of people each time we changed software. Lately I've gotten numerous requests from members to delete their accounts. Many are stating it's due to the toxic nature of the forums. With a big part of the problem being the moderators adding to it. Not my words. Words of those asking for their accounts to be deleted. For me, the forums aren't fun anymore. We used to really have a lot of fun. We could joke and laugh, we played games. It was such a different world than it is now. Everything is so serious now. What can we do to make it better? How can we draw more people into the forums that will participate in a civil manner? How can we make it fun again? This won't be a thread to attack the moderators or other members. If we want the forums to continue we need to do something to show there is a need for it.
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    Carborendum

    Best Way to Cook A Turkey

    I just heard of a new method to cook a turkey: SPATCHCOCKING. I hope I spelled that right. Apparently, it is a tried and true method of cooking fowl. But I only recently heard about it being applied to turkey. And it isn't widely used because the presentation of the classic "legs up" turkey is so Norman Rockwell iconic, that people don't think of using a method that precludes that presentation. One reason it is not done as often with turkey is that it is a much bigger bird. Once you lay it out, it takes up even more space. And not many people have a big enough pan for the bird to fit into when spread out like that. I decided to try it out this year to see if it would really make a difference. And the answer is, yes. Notice, not capital letters. So, having seen the results, I decided to report the results to the forum. If you feel so inclined, you may want to try it for Christmas dinner. Here are the bullet points. Although it made a positive result, don't expect miraculous changes like you hear online. It was noticeably better than other methods I've tried -- enough to write up this post. But it wasn't like I just found the "turkey Nazi." I should also note that I didn't buy a high end bird. I just got the store brand at the local market. So, it may not have had the best ingredients in the package. It may not have had the best feed during farming. It tended to balance out the moisture levels of the dark meat and the white meat. #1 best benefit -- if you like eating the slightly crispy skin.: More skin is browned because the back skin gets just as much exposure to browning as the breast skin. It didn't take very long to cook. I had a 22 lb turkey and it only took about 2 hrs to cook (less than 6 min/lb) at 350 deg. Compare that to 20 to 25 minutes for standard method. For a big bird, that's HOURS of savings. Others online gave varying ranges (between 6 to 10 min/lb) for smaller birds. Still others didn't bother to offer a timeframe. Just check the temperature. Since timing of the bird coming out of the oven is an integral part of the serving of the turkey, this is a pretty important fact to know. You also have to figure out how to cut out the backbone. I've seen several videos on how to do this. And it simply wasn't all that easy for me. Perhaps I used inferior tools. Maybe I'm just a whimp. I don't know. But you have to cut through the ribs of a turkey. That's BONE. Bird bone, but still bone. I cut my finger on the bones that protruded. One more thing: the method requires that you "perform CPR" sufficient to break the rib cage on the front of the bird as well. This allows the bird to spread out for sufficient contact with the drippings during cooking time. Since I was so weak, I couldn't quite crack the ribs. So, it didn't sit very deep in the juices. And that may have been a good thing too. I often forget to properly drain the bird before putting it in the pan. As a result the drippings almost filled the 2" deep pan I had it in. So, if it were sitting down properly, it may have overflowed. At the same time, if it had sat in the juices the entire time, it may have actually been heavenly. But it didn't, so I don't know. Overall, the turkey tasted like turkey. I did a nice brine with some mild seasonings. Then I laid it on top of a bed of celery and onions which had been sauteed with shawarma seasonings. NICE. Bon appetit.
  4. 1 point
    Vort

    Lame Jokes, the Sequel

    "So, am I back in the Church singing group?" Tom inquired.
  5. 1 point
    Just_A_Guy

    Spiritual Bypassing

    The silver lining in this is that those of us who work with mental health professionals firsthand, are acutely aware of how often they fail; and I think a lot of us nurse serious doubts about the degree to which they know what they are doing at all. Many of them mean well. They can be helpful. They are not gods, by any stretch of the imagination. But, yes. Pay very, very close attention to your AG, DA, and (if applicable) judge elections.
  6. 1 point
    Carborendum

    Spiritual Bypassing

    I wish I could find the video again. But there was a person who was defining what the practice of modern psychology was. It is essentially "secular moral theory." Unfortunately, the person defining it was of the mindset that it was a good thing. Religion defines right/wrong one way. Law defines it another way. Psychology defines it still another way. The terrifying thing is that if we buy into this theory, then what do we get when we realize that judges and police and DCFS, etc. all depend on this method of defining right/wrong? It appears rather clear that it is the union of Church and State. It is when this "science of right and wrong" are backed by the enforcement arm of the law that this union occurs. That is terrifying.
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    Thank you for the service you've rendered. I believe your efforts have made the world a better place than it otherwise would have been. That's maybe the highest praise most of us can hope for.
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    Fether

    Make the Forums Great Again

    I would suggest that there are many of us who are in the same boat. Someone, at some point needs to stand against the evils of the world and at other times the torch needs to be passed off to others to provide us some relief. I understand your reasons for needing to step away, I do. I commend you for your efforts while you were here, it didn't fall entirely on deaf ears. There are many, many good people here committed to taking a stand This concept is probably the worst part about what is driving people from our forum. Some forum members are strict to the old ways and what was taught in the past, some are strict to to the current ways and what is taught today, some are strict to what they perceive to be the future, and some are strict to a middle ground approach where the church is just a guideline. We all fall into one of these and find views from other parties to be distracting from what Christ wants of us all... then we stand up and start bickering. I have my “line of authority” as I call it. Modern day prophets/publications from the church -> Standard Work / older prophets -> personal revelation -> Opinions from leaders and books written by them -> everything else. Some may flip older prophets to the top due to belief that the church is slipping away while others may believe the standard work as being the end all authority and everything is just built of that (I personally don’t understand the hype behind “canonization” to me the modern day prophet has more teaching authority than any book of scripture. I get that ideology from the talk 14 fundamentals of following the prophet https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet) In my opinion, it is underlying disagreement like these that cause strife on the forum.
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    The Folk Prophet

    Make the Forums Great Again

    As one who's essentially left the forum I can comment (as I happen to have joined back in for a day or two for a specific discussion). But since this thread is here during that time, (I won't be around long), I'll comment from my perspective. I think the reason I left the forum may be the issue at hand. When the division becomes as great as it has between two factions, those factions struggle for civility. I'll label those factions conservatism and progressivism, but those are relative terms. Still, it should be understood. And I don't mean politically. Politics only interest me as to how they relate to the eternal. These two factions, so divided, struggle to bond in any regard. And, really, in my opinion, they should not bond, because one of them is team Satan and the other is team God. But the result is conflict. So I find myself at an impasse. I have two desires -- two principles -- that are at odds one with another. 1. Civility and unity. 2. The need to stand strong and fight against what I see as the increasing growth of evil and its encroachment upon society. Keep in mind, the struggle I'm talking about on these two things is not with others. It is with myself. I wish to be civil and united. I also cannot engage with what I consider evil without taking a stand against it. I do not feel I can or should abandon either of these principles. And yet...how? And so I finally came to a point where the only option for me was to walk away. I can't fight the one fight without losing the other and vice versa. So I retreated instead. The plain truth is that the divide between good and evil is growing. And that, I believe, is the root of the problem. The growth of evil demands a violent, bloody fight! (I'm not suggesting literal, physical, fighting. I'm just being metaphorical here). It demands it! And yet...who wants to be in bloody, violent fights all the time? It's depressing, disheartening, discouraging, unpleasant, and just no fun. And yet, part of me feels like I've pulled a Jonah. But still.... Yes...I realize I'm worse than pretty much anyone else in my views in this regard. And therefore it is, frankly, surprising I engaged as long as I did. But it was, for the most part, no fun. And I came to the point where it broke me. And maybe that is a good thing. Maybe I've been wrong all along in my views on fighting the good fight. Or maybe I just suck at it.
  10. 1 point
    Just_A_Guy

    Radical Orthodoxy

    I see this as a number of LDS apologists and thinkers—some, very popular in progressive LDS circles—pushing back and saying “guys, you need to know that we actually do accept the Church’s truth claims.”
  11. 1 point
    The Folk Prophet

    Spiritual Bypassing

    I think for me, I would, by a thousand fold, rather hide behind religion in an effort to exercise faith than I would abandon faith in an effort to not hide behind religion. Really, my consternation over the article, can probably be summarized that simply.
  12. 1 point
    Carborendum

    #GiveThanks

    I'm thankful for a place of peace called "home". #GiveThanks
  13. 1 point
    estradling75

    Radical Orthodoxy

    The scriptures tell us to be 'Anxiously engaged in a good cause and to bring to pass much righteousness' If such a page is what they feel they should be doing (aka what the Lord would have them do) then more power to them. However nothing requires me as a third party capable of getting my own guidance and direction from the Lord to agree with them or follow them.
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    estradling75

    #GiveThanks

    I am grateful for my job and for its ability to support my family. There are always stories of people losing there job due to one reason or another... Most recent being COVID. But my job has remained stable throughout it all
  15. 1 point
    Grunt

    Radical Orthodoxy

    I think that is the part that I just didn't get. The "movement" is to be doing what we're all supposed to be doing anyway? I just don't understand what the point is, I suppose.
  16. 1 point
    pam

    Make the Forums Great Again

    I think I'm going to try something on a facebook group that I help to admin. I'm going to put out an invitation for people to come join us.
  17. 1 point
    pam

    Make the Forums Great Again

    Perhaps if I started some of these discussions using questions that went to Ask Gramps that we haven't been able to answer. Most times it's a time restriction on th team.
  18. 1 point
    Fether

    Make the Forums Great Again

    My honest thoughts. I joined about 2 years ago because I enjoyed the conversations and felt there were some great insights... today I feel like all insights have been exhausted. Conversations seem to be rehashes of old and few are posting gospel questions anymore. politics have a negative effect, but it’s the lack of honest and thoughtful gospel questions. That is/was the life blood of this forum.
  19. 1 point
    Carborendum

    Make the Forums Great Again

    I started the #GiveThanks thread. That's a start. When I did so, I stopped talking about politics. It has helped me personally. As I recall, the "ban" on political speech was because of the non-profit status of the forums as part of the More Good Foundation. Then either the law changed or some other criteria changed which allowed it. So, the ban was lifted. May I suggest along with JAG: Just because we CAN do a thing doesn't mean we MUST do a thing. I'm going to do my best to stay out of political topics moving forward.
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    NeedleinA

    Make the Forums Great Again

    A couple of thoughts through the eyes of having been a moderator for many years on a different, totally unrelated forum: This issue is definitely not unique to Thirdhour. Forums in general are experiencing this dwindling regardless of how well they are run. Other social media platforms are simply gobbling up users. Mega tech giants with huge budgets are aggressively competing for the same user's attention. Unfortunately, the forums of yesteryear may never return despite anyone's best efforts. Sidenote: I would suspect that if we did a survey we would find that most users here today are age 40+. This tends to be the demographic of most forum formatted sites. Users, on the other forum, would try to make this claim as well, "the moderators said such and such...". I see the moderators as 'users' of the site with opinions, just like the rest of us. In addition to being a user and with almost zero fanfare or appreciation, they volunteer their time and energy into making the site better. There are many users who want to relegate moderators down to mere rule enforcement and limit their opinions to zero, unless of course it favors their own. I've been here for 5 years now and have never seen anything from a moderator that I would call toxic. They have always been polite and professional while either giving their opinions or reminding me personally of the site rules. I'll admit, this past year has been particularly hard and I personally have taken a way more serious tone myself. With covid, elections, job insecurities, etc. it has simply been a more serious time in life. As serious topics on the forum arise, serious and passionate opinions flow. When those passionate opinions collide with equally passionate opposing opinions, there is the potential for less harmony. I've both dished it out and received it. I can do better on my end. I'll agree with JAG:
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    Just_A_Guy

    Make the Forums Great Again

    As much as I enjoy talking politics—that’s been behind most of the major bannings / withdrawals that I’m aware of over the last year. Maybe we need to reconsider bringing back the ban on political discussion?
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    Vort

    Lame Jokes, the Sequel

    "Game fowl again?" Tom groused.
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    mirkwood

    Happy Thanksgiving!

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    Happy retirement! 🤗 Maybe you'll find a nice quiet country parish and live in a quaint parsonage with roses round the door, and preach sermons to sweet old ladies who'll invite you to tea and feed you their delicious cakes. 😁 My own retirement is still a decade away, but I'm already dreading the thought of it. But of course I'm not a prison chaplain!
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    pam

    Make the Forums Great Again

    Do we want to lose more people?