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  1. Anddenex

    The election

    Growing up, with these type of ballots (even in school for tests) we were specifically informed never to use sharpies for the reason you gave. That was the main reason. Another reason was that it didn't always record the answer (so even if you chose the right answer it marked it wrong because it couldn't read it). This is why I am surprised they were even handed out knowing full well the errors that have resulted from markers or Sharpies being used. It is the reason why I looked for a ball point pen when filling out my vote because I knew the pens I like are more liquid and could cause bleed through.
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    The election

    Sharpies are black markers, not pens. It would be similar to calling a highlighter a "yellow ink pen."
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    The election

    That is the concern from what I am reading and hearing. Mine did also, and yet Sharpies were being handed out to fill in the circles.
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    The election

    I have friends in Arizona whose vote have been uncounted, deem invalid, due to the sharpie. They went back to vote again in person and vote wouldn't go through, deemed invalid. I also have friends whose sharpie did count. I remember though growing up, unless things changed, it was always said to use a ballpoint pen as a sharpie may cause a invalid count.
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    The election

    I thought the same for Wisconsin and Michigan, and somehow the odds turned in Biden's favor. It looked pretty clear with where the numbers were Trump would have those states.
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    The second coming is in March

    I am not familiar with this guy, but from my mission and since I have been home I have run into a couple of people who follow this line of thinking. That the scriptures reveal the time and date for Christ to come. I would still have to go though with Christ's words, the author and finisher of our faith. We have signs for sure that will give us when, if we are prepared (i.e. I only care about the two prophets in Jerusalem -- I will start my repentance then for three days and two/three nights ), the day really doesn't matter. We will be ready.
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    Question on "Faith Crisis"

    What do you guys do with the potentially difficult topics in church history and in modern days? I have never craved reading anti-Church literature; I read it because I wanted to be able to answer questions given from the honest seeker of truth. I also, wanted to be able to protect my future children, and to be able to provide accurate responses to well known anti-Church literature. In time, similar to @Just_A_Guy (if I understood him correctly), the records we have regarding historical issues aren't complete. They do not provide enough detail, and yet, sadly we see people leaving the Church who (like anti-Mormons) want to fill in the blanks in order to justify their desire for the Great and Spacious building. However, I realize I am unique in that sense. A good friend of mine told me that he refuses to look anything up cause he knows he won't be able to "take it". This is the thing I find most interesting. When I first started reading anti-Church literature is was to know how to answer questions. I wasn't afraid of it hurting my "testimony"; although, some things were a shock. The returning question has always been, and will always be, did the Lord reveal the truth? It is why I love Jacob 1-7, particularly chapter 7. Jacob is the book to overcoming any "faith crisis." Jacob is the book to overcome any anti-Church material. If the Lord revealed it, then what are you unable to take? In saying that though, if a person feels not to read because they are unable to "take it," then I would encourage that person to "avoid" it like the plague. The parable of the sower and Lehi's dream are to real. Personally, it fascinates me. Though lately, I have been getting more and more bored with it. I found how easily a person could believe a lie, even when truth was plain and clearly taught to be fascinating and disturbing at the same time. One thing that has been true is the experience from my mission where an anti-Church individual said if we could answer the questions proposed from this anti-Church book he would convert (he was of course caught with guile). A member wrote out literally 50 pages answering half of the questions in the book. When the 50 page report was given, he took the 50 pages placed them to his right and said, "This really doesn't change anything." As I have experienced this all too often, I am now bored of anti-Church books and people. The majority of them, like this individual mentioned, aren't interested in answers. So now, I avoid it, unless it is coming from my brother, and depending on what it is I will engage. The majority of time, like this individual above, sadly my brother has become no different. No matter the answer his mind has been made up.
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    Sacrament Talk

    Only a thought, reject/accept as you see fit. Two questions to ask: 1) What has the Lord impressed upon your heart before you were even asked to speak? 2) What has changed you recently. Lean towards that.
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    Sacrament Talk

    I hope you find comfort as you give your talk. The majority of the talks I have been given have been "choose your topic." I, personally, love choosing my own topic. In my personal studies, I usually have a topic that the Spirit has already impressed upon my mind and heart. I have been studying/pondering that topic for sometime before I receive the speaking assignment. My favorite though, is when I get a call at 8:30 am (church starts at 9 am) and I receive a speaking assignment saying, "We would like you to speak in sacrament, are you able to do so this morning? A person is sick and isn't able to make it to Church.'
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    The Law of Consecration and Stewardship

    The easy answer would be "No." The Lord has specifically said we are not to be commanded in all things; however, it would be unwise for any member to start trying to "force" (so to speak) other people to live such without the consent of others. I know of a family that is already living such, to a degree. They own a family business. All who are employed within the family (this includes sons-in-law) receive a portion according to their needs and just wants. If a family member marries, through the company funds a "modest" (relative term) home is purchased for the family. Cars (modest) are purchased for the family. They receive a salary (I believe) that would be sufficient for their monthly needs, and anything outside of that would be taken to the family and decisions then made according to needs and just wants. It is a pretty awesome deal. In this way, there isn't any family member who is making the majority of the monies from the business. They see the money as everyone's money who is actively participating in the family business. Personally, if I were more attuned to building wealth and business this is something I would have loved to put into place.
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    Eternity, infinity, and limits

    I assume then you would have to then define the limit. Is the limit we are discussing "Exaltation" >> becoming one with God the Father and receiving all he hath? Is the limit you are then expressing simply "perfection" that necessarily doesn't mean to become like God is? Each kingdom is placed in a sphere of truth/creation. Each sphere has its limit. The Telestial kingdom will come close to, but never reach the Terrestrial kingdom glory, as the Terrestrial kingdom will come close to but never reach a oneness with the Father and Christ (receiving all the Father hath). The scripture specifying they have no increase I would think supports this. What is it that causes you to believe that the Telestial will reach, surpass the limit, placed upon it? Do you feel now it actually doesn't have a limit, is that why you aren't sure anymore? This is where we would find disagreement. If one person reaches -- in this life -- a supposed limit the limit can no longer be in place as it has been surpassed. I'm unsure how a limit that has been surpassed can no longer be surpassed by anyone else. The possibility is there. It can be reached. Again, I may be misunderstanding something regarding asymptotic behavior, which I find this definition for, "Your function may approach this limit, getting closer and closer as you change the function's input, but will never reach it." Does the possibility that all could have reached it discount the theory? The number of people who didn't doesn't seem to be what asymptotic behavior is representing. It appears to simply state that they never will reach it. So, in order for asymptotic behavior to be true, the limit must never be reachable by anyone. That appears to be more of what Protestant Christians teach. We can do all we can but we will never reach the limit (Godhood, becoming one with the Father). I don't think being translated is the only reason for not being perfect. Abraham was never translated but I would think Abraham was just as just as Alma. Joseph in Egypt was never translated but was definitely just as just/perfect as Alma (if not more so, seeing his life is symbolically an archetype of Christ) but was never translated. As a people all would need to be in a position to be translated as it only takes one individual to have the city remain. So, there could have been many of the people of Ammon who were worthy of translation, but like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph the Lord kept them upon the earth. It could also mean they simply never asked for it. I misunderstood previously, so I am trying to morefully understand your thoughts here and why you think it may not be correct anymore. Godly. I think Nephi's promise by the Lord regarding anything he said would happen. Nephi, in this life, achieved a oneness of mind with God.
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    Baptism of the Holy Ghost?

    Here are the principles that have already been alluded to by @laronius: 1) Is the Holy Ghost a son of God? 2) Will the Holy Ghost obtain a body? 3) Will the Holy Ghost live beyond the age of accountability? If we can answer yes to the questions above, then as Christ was baptized the Holy Ghost will need to be baptized and follow the Savior into the waters of baptism.
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    Eternity, infinity, and limits

    When thinking about progression and the eternities I love the following verses of scripture: Doctrine and Covenants 77: 3 3 Q. Are the four beasts limited to individual beasts, or do they represent classes or orders? A. They are limited to four individual beasts, which were shown to John, to represent the glory of the classes of beings in their destined border or sphere of creation, in the enjoyment of their eternal felicity. Doctrine and Covenants 93:30 30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence. In both verses of scripture we are informed ( @JohnsonJones hinted to this also) that all of God's creations are able to progress according to the "sphere" which God has placed them within. According to scripture, as it stands now (until more is revealed), the telestial, terrestrial, and lower stations of the Celestial kingdom have their limits. As scripture is clear, "he cannot have an increase." These kingdoms though are subject to the "sphere" God has placed upon them in each kingdom. Each kingdom will have their ability to progress throughout eternity. They can reach whatever point, height, available in each kingdom. At that point, there isn't any increase. So, I would agree with the following statement, if I am understanding asymptotic correctly, "And I'm beginning to wonder if that is so in the lower kingdoms as well." Appears to be accurate according to the sphere the lower kingdoms are given. I'm not sure though I agree that we are asymptotic though in this life. I would say Christ's life proves that we could have achieved it, but through Christ it still can be achieved but the refiner's fire isn't all to appealing to become what Christ became in this life through him.
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    Alma 30:7-11

    @Fether I am thinking this might add to the conversation from Ezra Taft Benson, "Never before has the land of Zion appeared so vulnerable to so powerful an enemy as the Americas do at present. And our vulnerability is directly attributable to our loss of active faith in the God of this land, who has decreed that we must worship Him or be swept off. Too many Americans have lost sight of the truth that God is our source of freedom —the Lawgiver —and that personal righteousness is the most important essential to preserving our freedom. So, I say with all the energy of my soul that unless we as citizens of this nation forsake our sins, political and otherwise, and return to the fundamental principles of Christianity and of constitutional government, we will lose our political liberties, our free institutions, and will stand in jeopardy before God."
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    Alma 30:7-11

    These are good questions. My first thought is there is a difference between "voting in" and "voting against" a law. We should vote against any law that would bring the nation closer to God's judgement (i.e. that would have us become ripe in iniquity). If we vote in laws, then as members of the Church we will have an accounting for the laws we helped initiate or vote for that were against God's laws. We can defend them as much as we want in this life, in the next, the defense is going to be poor. I, personally, don't want that. I would personally love to see a law against adultery. It breaks homes up, and it can cause lasting damage to children. There is a scripture in our Book of Mormon that I think is helpful to this discussion. The whole chapter (Alma 42), in essence, describes what we are discussing, but let me focus on a few verses of scripture: In Zion, I wouldn't be surprised if there are laws against all major sin (i.e. adultery, fornication, murder, stealing, etc...). We already have many laws that match the kingdom of God. Bearing false witness can be looked at as "fraud." And there is punishment for fraud (varying degrees). These verses highlight the following points: 1) Without law there is no sin. In Zion, we are following God's laws and these laws have already been given. And they are just laws. 2) Look at how rampant fornication is, and it is rampant because there is "no law" against it. Which bring up the second point, "would [humans] be afraid," to sin if there is no punishment? No. We already know the natural human, until he is enlightened by God (either the Spirit of Christ or through the Holy Ghost witness) the natural human will not be afraid to commit sin if there is "no law" against that sin. Our world is evidence for that. So any law must have some form of punishment in order for it to be a law. Every law that is broken must then have a "way out" or mercy. We already have laws that punish for lying, this is fraud. Depending on the degree of fraud depends on the punishment (i.e. Under penalty of perjury). I don't know how many times I have read a government document I have signed, or financial loans, where it specifies that if I purposely give false information I will enjoy the penalty/punishment of the law. I wouldn't have any issue with voting in a law that punished fornication or adultery. Fornication has lead to how many abortions? The murder of innocent human beings because they are unable to protect themselves. For that alone, I would be willing to vote in this law. We have around 56 million abortions per year worldwide, and probably more due to fornication rather than rape or the mother's life in danger. We have laws to protect people, unless you are an unborn, then we have law "voted in" that is against God's laws, not due to differences in morality, but due to a lack of morality. (Which is where I would agree with @Traveler that, "I am of the opinion that the only "things" that can be legislated into law are what-ever is believed to be moral.") I wouldn't have any problem with a law against gambling. We already have a bit of that in Utah. I am good with it. I also wouldn't be surprised if in Zion there is a law, strict law, against homosexuality. The Lord is very very clear and plain pertaining to homosexuality. This though is even harder in our day because people liberally use the word "rights" for everything now, and what is moral. How do you make moral laws in a society where good is being called evil, and evil is being called good? How did Sodom and Gomorrah come to a point that a group of men could stand outside of another man's home and tell him to bring his guests out so that they may "know" them? Little by little, with allowing whatever morality a person feels is good or right. I mean we already have news outlets talking about leniency for pedophiles as a sexual orientation. 😮 I guess a question is what way do we want to go, possibly. Do we want to go the way of Sodom and Gomorrah with open laws that appear to allow almost anything. Or do we want to go with laws that will bring us closer to Zion? And I am honestly not sure how to go about that without becoming another "Law of Moses," (or what would look like it from the outside) but something needs to happen. One thing I think though, the more moral (actually moral, Godlike) the less laws a nation will have. People will be able to govern themselves, but there will still be laws. Strict laws, such that people who don't want to abide by them will leave.