Corey
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It doesn't sound like you've moved on.
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Gay marriage is not a civil rights issue, like race/ethnicity. I believe 99% of Christians would agree that:
1) We are individually endowed with different weeknesses/challenges
2) We have free agency to chose--even when extremely difficult to chose the right
Legality is a separate issue. The purpose of this land is to be a land of liberty for a free people.
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As mentioned previously, "His Need, Her Needs" is a must read. "Love and Respect" is another. Both of you are going through very common thoughts and feeling. You both would benefit from a growing understanding of what the other person is going through. Much of the difference is based on comon differences between gender.
LDS Family Services could be considered
Also, he's being a jerk by sharing those thoughts with you. Nothing good will come of it. MANY men wonder what it would be like being married to another woman. Fantasy is very dangerous. The devil is knocking at his door. Expressing anger and shutting him out won't help. Learning what needs of his aren't being met and then meeting them will help, even if you feel he doesn't deserve it.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I just want to be another voice to say that God does love you. More than you can comprehend. This doesn't always need to remain an issue like it is now. The way you see and feel about things can change. I understand that you've never properly repented of your gay encounter, as you never told the bishop. This should have been done before temple marriage. However, it's never too late to set things right. Even though you don't see the connnection, moving beyond this issue WILL improve your marriage in due time.
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All you can do is be the best example to the rest of your family that you can be. The rest is up to them.
Exactly my thoughts.
It's alright that she doesn't attend your baptism. Stay close to her, and don't let this become a sourc of conflict. It may be years or a decade, but she'll grow to admire you and what you are becoming. When the day comes when she casually mentions going to church with you, don't make a big deal of it. Just be accepting and patient. This isn't about your baptism. It's about your eternal bond that needs to be established.
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Thanks for the warm welcome, Brothers and Sisters!
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Are you saying that even if you both have current temple recommends, you can't be sealed until one year after your civil wedding, if you choose to be married outside the temple?
I didn't know this. Maybe it is simply to encourage temple marriage. Odd, indeed.
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Do LDS members ever have a civil service first, and then a temple marriage later on (i'm not talking like the next day, but maybe a month later just so the "it's not real" mentality isn't there)?
Yes, and it is perfectly acceptable. There is no promised blessing for having the legal side handled concurrent with the sealing.
It’s understandable that your family feels the way they do. It strikes me as odd that people would be invited to wait outside. It’s a social insult, regardless of the truths of which we are aware. I think it’s much better to just have a wedding ceremony and a sealing, regardless of when the legal part is handled.
The ring ceremony being “just a show” shows serious immaturity. All too often, people make everything about themselves. It sounds like your family is choosing to be insulted. I’d go and wait outside if it was important to my child. Some people need to grow up and love.
Your choice to not accommodate your family has clear consequences. If you believe the Lord wants you to have the legal side handled with the sealing, than stick with it. The only reason you need to provide is just that. “I choose to believe this is what my God wants me to do.” No apology.
Best wishes!
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Does LDS doctrine believe in a literal Anti-Christ?
Anti-Christ is an adjective.
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Welcome!
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This is exactly why you have a bishop. When both of you confess together with sincere repentence, your bishop will be inspired to do the Lord's will.
It could only damage the two of you to not confess.
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Hmmmm, maybe my word search is broken, but I couldn't find the word 'disapprobate' anywhere in the D&C. Can you point to the exact reference?
As for your position, I can only say that while we are taught to love our neighbor, that does not mean we have to accept their lifestyle or give our approval of it. Loving someone does not equate to allowing them to do anything they want without consequence.
D&C 121-123 were excerts from an epistle written by Jospeh Smith in Liberty Jail. See History of the Church. You can read it here.
I agree that we don't have to and shouldn't approve of homosexual lifestyles. However, we can't tolerate without first accepting (acknowleding the reality). And the prophets preach tolerance and preaching "with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love." Many of our brothers and sister with same gender desires will be inclined to convert their hearts to the truth following a showing forth of acceptance and love, as Christ showed the sinners in his mortal ministry.
Ben, can you reference where the Church supported the legislation of which you speak? I'm seeking as much insight as I can gain. Thanks!
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I would consider if my actions/reactions will lead to her being more careful to hide it from me the next time. There will be a next time. I would take the route you feel best encourages her to be open and honest with you so that you can maintain influence and continue to be a guiding light through the rough teen years to come--assuming she is an older child at this point.
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I've been involved in a smililar discussion on another website, and I'm working to crystalize this issue in my mind to discover the will of the Lord in the matter. I should add that I have three sibilings deeply involved in homosexual lifestyles and subsequently hold very anti-mormon sentiments. Amidst my prayer and contemplation on the matter this morning, I considered the following.
Joseph Smith and countless other prophets have urged us to always proclaim truth and preach repentance--one of the most prominent themes in the BOM.
In the epistle containing D&C 121-123, Joseph Smith states, "Your humble servant or servants, intend from henceforth to disapprobate everything that is not in accordance with the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and is not of a bold, and frank, and upright nature".
The Princeton dictionary defines disapprobation as: an expression of strong disapproval; pronouncing as wrong or morally culpable.
LDS believe that choosing to participate in homosexual behavior or extra-marital sexual behavior is worthy of disapprobation.
Christ and his more modern prophets urge us to be loving and tactful in doing this.
Joseph Smith goes on to write, "We ought always to be aware of those prejudices which sometimes so strangely present themselves, and are so congenial to human nature, against our friends, neighbors, and brethren of the world, who choose to differ from us in opinion and matters of faith. Our religion is between us and our God. Their religion is between them and their God."
I share the same concerns about what society and schools will teach, and I think it should be apparent by now that they will teach many things contrary to the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ—and therefore will lead to our approbation of those teachings. President Hinckley was very outspoken about tolerance, and that the saints are responsible for teaching the truth and proclaiming repentance, to lead people to choose the right. I see little evidence that we’ve been guided by Christ to force people to choose the right or that we are not to suffer living in a world of corrupt and evil practices.
Two questions to those that are LDS:
1) If the First Presidency officially asked the members to support the passing of a Constitutional Amendment that restricts marriage to the “one man and one women” definition, would you support the Amendment?
2) If the First Presidency officially asked the members to support a specific federal bill giving full liberty for all consenting legal adults to enter into whatever marital contracts they chose, would you support it?
I look forward to reading your perspective on my thoughts.
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Other than the Prop 8, I'm not finding the Brethern speaking in favor of leaving the regulation of marriage to the government.
I'm currently favoring Ron Paul's stance that it's a social and religious practice:
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Are you asking if the definition of marriage should be left to the states instead of the fed government, or whether any government at all should define it? I'm still trying to figure it out myself. :)
Clearly, the Bill of Rights supports States' right to govern the issue over any federal mandate. Currently, states license marriage. Have the Church authorities commented on federal legislation of marriage in the last century?
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I am new, so please forgive me if this isn't the correct forum for this discussion.
I love the Lord, and I'm so grateful for His guidance through inspired prophets. I’m a huge proponent of liberty—or the freedom from interference. Historically, many of the Church leaders have been, as well.
These are the questions I ask myself and seek perspective on:
Should the federal government have the authority to define marriage?
I consider that the feds began defining marriage in opposition to Lord’s program for marriage about 150 years ago. Do we want them to be the authority now?
Does God want us to use gentle persuasion to proclaim His plan for happiness and let people exercise the liberty to chose? If not, do we want the government regulating unwed sex and other deviations from The Proclamation of The Family?
I generally believe that there has been too much legislation limiting the liberty of the citizens of the U.S.A. I am not for “gay marriage”, and I don’t look for government to ensure morality.
I’ve no doubt this issue has been discussed on this board extensively before, so perhaps someone could point me to threads that touch on this subject. Aside from California issues, I’d appreciate being guided toward statements made by Church authorities in regards to us addressing these issues through the law of the land.
I am not making an argument for anything in particular. I will follow the Prophet. I honestly seek to understand this issue better.
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Hello Friends,
I haven't read a single post yet, but I stumbled across LDS.NET today in search of mature LDS discussion. I:
Am 32 Years Old
Am married with two boys (2 & 8)
Was raised in the Church and consider myself a convert
Am striving for perfection and have a lot oppurtuntiy
Corey
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Arnold isn't eligble, as he wasn't born in the U.S.