PhDeverit

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  1. PhDeverit

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    Some seriously heavy responsibilities on your shoulders. Personally, I don't see having a family dynamics consultant handy to call on as reflecting a lack of independence any more than having a family medicine doctor. I just see it as responsible. This is a good contact right off. I'm working on finding the e-mail and exact mailing addresses of a couple more: [email protected] LDS Parenting Coach, Postive Parenting Skills He uses the model that Dr. Glenn I. Latham teaches(who has even been used to teach local parent classes here in Oregon). He is an LDS professional and author who writes a lot of useful books. There is some useful info right on the website. Geography is also an issue. If you tell me the state and area in which you live, I will network to find some local info to give you so your oldest can receive some more focused attention. Adding your son and family's name to the temple prayer roll might add some extra help and guidance. Keep surviving! I'll send the rest of those contacts your way.
  2. PhDeverit

    Spanking

    That bad huh? If you're serious, I could find some contacts.
  3. PhDeverit

    Spanking

    Church magazines: You have said that your father never laid a hand on any of his children when disciplining them. 4 President Hinckley: That’s right. I don’t believe that children need to be beaten, or anything of that kind. Children can be disciplined with love. They can be counseled—if parents would take the time to sit down quietly and talk with them. Tell them the consequences of misbehaving, of not doing things in the right way. The children would be better off, and I think everyone would be happier. My father never touched us. He had a wisdom all his own of quietly talking with us. He turned us around when we were moving in the wrong direction, without beating us or taking a strap to us or any of that kind of business. I’ve never been a believer in the physical punishment of children. I don’t think it is necessary. Church magazines: Sister Hinckley, you have said that “you don’t teach a child not to hit by hitting.” 5 From At Home With the Hinckleys I have never accepted the principle of “spare the rod and spoil the child.” I will be forever grateful for a father who never laid a hand in anger upon his children. Somehow he had the wonderful talent to let them know what was expected of them and to give them encouragement in achieving it. I am persuaded that violent fathers produce violent sons. I am satisfied that such punishment in most instances does more damage than good. Children don’t need beating. They need love and encouragement. They need fathers to whom they can look with respect rather than fear. Above all, they need example. I recently read a biography of George H. Brimhall, who at one time served as president of Brigham Young University. Concerning him, someone said that he reared “his boys with a rod, but it [was] a fishing rod” (Raymond Brimhall Holbrook and Esther Hamilton Holbrook, TheTall Pine Tree: The Life and Work of George H. Brimhall, n.p., 1988, p. 62). That says it all. From Save the Children, Gordon B. Hinckley It is not by the whip or the rod that we can make obedient children; but it is by faith and by prayer, and by setting a good example before them “She might have whipped him and injured him, as a great many others would have done; but if they know what to do, they can correct the child without violence” Chastening may be necessary, … but parents should govern their children by faith rather than by the rod Although it is written that, “The rod and reproof give wisdom; but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame [Proverbs 29:15],” and, “He that spareth his rod hateth his son; but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes [Proverbs 13:24];” these quotations refer to … wise and prudent corrections. Children who have lived in the sunbeams of parental kindness and affection, when made aware of a parent’s displeasure, and receive a kind reproof from parental lips, are more thoroughly chastened than by any physical punishment that could be applied to their persons (DNW, 7 Dec. 1864, 2). Instead of being behind with the whip, always be in advance, then you can say, “Come along,” and you will have no use for the rod. From Brigham Young, Parental Responsibility Use no lash and no violence against them Joseph F. Smith, Wrongful Road of Abuse There's more, but I thought this would be good. BYU's School of Family Life produced additional quotations by Hinckley in "Helping and Healing Our Families" as well as several good reasons to discipline instead of hit I agree with you-discipline is definitely missing in a lot of kids lives. Just to be clear, parental permissiveness is NOT something these organizations are advocating. I don't think the schools should have to deal with menacing behavior of these kids. I have empathy for the poor teachers of such students. I am advocating discipline, just not hitting. DISCIPLINE and child buttock-battering are two distinct things. I know of professionals who have corrected extremely unruly behavior by DISCIPLINE, without any hitting. I'm talking about kids in treatment programs that couldn't even go to school because they had severe behavioral issues. I think the vast majority of parents have spanked (even the ones who are against it), but would rather do something else if they could. Peace.
  4. PhDeverit

    Spanking

    Already listed are a few quotes by prophets against child buttock-battering. I have also already listed some of the "damages" (as Gordon B. Hinckley put it) that can occur by such punishment (child buttock-beating).
  5. PhDeverit

    Spanking

    Listen, not to be disrespectful or anything but when Gordon B. Hinckley, as a prophet, states in General Conference that "such punishment in most instances does more damage than good" you really should take it seriously. You would have to wrest the counsel I've listed to a pretty great degree to conclude that child buttock-beating is condoned. Here is some educational literature on just what "damages" you could be inflicting by wresting this scripture: Plain Talk About Spanking by Jordan Riak The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children by Tom Johnson NO VITAL ORGANS THERE, So They Say by Lesli Taylor MD, and Adah Maurer Ph.D. Child buttock-beating for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit. Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit. Most compelling of all reasons to discontinue this worst of all bad habits is the fact that buttock-battering can be unintentional sexual abuse for some children. Parents and Teachers Against Violence In Education is a great organization with plenty of data on the subject.