oaf1984
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hmmmmm.......Is Nephi not referring to the Celestial kingdom rather than spirit paradice?
I think so, simply because he is equating the ressurection with paradise, which obviously is not spirit paradice.
I know that in spirit prison the veil still exists and I assume that spirit paradice will be the same.
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That is what I said, the tree can only make a noise IF there is someone to hear it. (we are one in thought )
Why does hearing it require it to be a sound?
www.dictionary.com
"Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing."
Notice that it has to be capable, but not actually heard to be considered a sound.
Do the senses have to setect something before it is a reality?
Does something not exist if one cannot see it?
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I had a companion from Northern Ireland who told me his chapel was burnt down because someone thought it was catholic.
Why they would think that I do not know. I am convinced that the most hate people exercise, the more stupid they become.
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I believe there is a limited (though very, very large!) amount of matter and God is able to manipulate it all, but He cannot create more than there already is.
Very interesting. I am not trying to argue this point, but to merely add additional insight, just insight, because I really have no clue of the reality of the situation.
To those who inheret the highest realm of Celestial glory, they are promised Worlds without end, one will assume that this process will continue and that there will be more and more new Gods to make new 'worlds without end'. If there is a continual increase of Gods making new worlds, and a finite amount of matter, however large, then one can assume a few possibilities:
1) The amount of matter will eventally run out
2) Old worlds are recycled into new ones (Unless of course when a world is done it will be renewed to its paradicisial glory forever)
3) There is really a "worlds cap" and that "without number" is just describing a huge number that we cannot comprehend.
I am sure there are more possibilities, but those are the ones that immediately come to my mind.
Also, does HF really have control of ALL matter? What about other gods?
That also begs the question, does HF really know everything? What about the thoughts of other gods?
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Well if it were purely for legal reasons, maybe the church can take its billions and go to africa.
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Or the "Can God make a rock so large that even he cannot lift it?"
I think that this one is far more intellegent.
My answer is that the said 'rock' would have to have an infinite mass, and would implode the universe with its infinite gravitaional pull. God loves us all too much to do that.
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This is my take.
It does make a sound. I don't think that a "sound" is not a sound if no one hears it.
basically a sound a vibration, the tree would make a vibration for sure, and therefore a sound.
How did such a "riddle" make it though the ages?
Perhaps I don't get it and am just stupid.
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It seems like people can not let stuff go.
I wonder what kind of reaction they would get from a show like:
"Father Jim: The loveable priest that just can't stop loving"
There would be a mob for sure.
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Regarding the legality of Polygamy:
It is illegal is most places, not all.
The former soviet republic of Tajikistan is one that I can think of.
I have read a lot about what has been said, but would still like to put in my opinion.
I think that having a single wife is the ldeal, just like peace(as opposed to war, not the wife :-) ) is the ideal. However, there are circumstances where it does not work so well, and exceptions have to be made. I am sure that one can debte exactly what circumstances are allowed for days.
I am sure it would be uncomfortable to do it. I know I would be, I would see it as a sacrafice. Just like going to war would be a sacrafice.
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I’m a cross between a conservative and a fundie. But I have a touch of moderate in me as well – as well as a touch of liberal. I agree with oaf1984 on the coke issue and feel that too many traditions such as partaking of the sacrament with the right hand may be a bit overboard. Personally, I drink coke all the time and also enjoy nonalcoholic beer. I don’t dress in suits very often but enjoy wearing colored shirts to church and often skip the tie. I’m a big time Led Zeppelin fan and enjoyed them a lot back in the 70’s – including seeing them live in concert.
However, I’m pretty dogmatic about points of doctrine and insist that the commandments as generally spelled out in scripture and reaffirmed by the General Authorities be obeyed. I obey the WofW strictly and pay my tithes. Pornography is like scum in the bottom of the trash barrel covered by maggots.
I have an absolute testimony of the prophet Joseph Smith and his successors, including Gordon B. Hinckley. I will die a faithful Mormon even if it kills me.
Paul O
Coloured shirt? Led Zepplin? Non-alcoholic beer?
That's liable for a lynching behind the "Zion Curtain"
(p.s. jk)
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Thank you so much for your well wishes. I have had a great Birthday. You are all so nice! Thanks for making me feel welcome!
P.S. Jacket Potatoes would be great!
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As I child I prefered spanking to other forms of punishment. Simply because spanking was quick. It sucked when I got spanked AND given chores to do though.
I think that spanking is ok in rare circumstances with certain children.
When I mean rare, I really mean it, like a handfull of times in a childhood.
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If I child gets so wound up that he/she cannot properly communicate or receive communication, and is being excessively violent to the point where they are a danger to themselves. They might need a spanking.
I feel in times like these a good swat, not overly hard, can shock them into reality.
Obviously, this will not always work and depends on the child.
Again, if it is not rare, then they get used to it, and it is less effective.
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First of all, I will be the first to admit that this thread is probably better and more inclusive than the one I started. I sometimes forget there this is not an all Mormon forum.
I think I am 60% Conservative and 40% Moderate. (From an LDS viewpoint)
I think that there are many things that are solid doctrine and should not be considered "moderate", such as Chastity.
But I think that there is a pretty large "grey area" in the gospel that members should interpret for themselves. One "classic" example (pardon the pun ) is Coca-Cola.
That is a pretty divided issue in the LDS church, and as far as I am concerned, it is a personal choice; and in my opinion is fine, in moderation.
I find many LDS quirks amoungst members, as well as other Christians. I don't care if people have them, as long as they don't be openly judgemental of me, and try to "convert" me I am fine with it.
I don't think that everything a general authority says is the personal opinion of Jesus Christ, or stuff like taking the sacrament with your left hand is a very big deal.
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I'm sorry to say I can think of a lot more categories than four. How about the "Non-caffinated alcoholics". I know one, actually he does drink a little coffee too, but says that since alcohol in small amounts helps preven athleroscrosis, he has a little drink now and then. He sites Brigham Young's brewry as justification. If it was good enough for Bro. Brig, it's good enough for me.
How about the "I like everything in the Church, except the meetings" guy. Or the "I'm born Mormon and go to church, but if it weren't that my mother would disown me, I would be just as happy in any other church". I know one of those?
How about the "I would really rather not be Bishop, but my wife would kill me if I resigned" guy.
How about the "Native American's don't have Jewish DNA, but you think I'm about to tell the whole family about it?" Know one of those?
What about the "I don't need to wait for the judgement, I have it all figured out", or "All 12 of my kids are insanely loud but I don't seem to notice", the list goes on.
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Another funny story.....one day while tracting in Scarborough England we knocked on a door and this man began to tell us how much he hated the USA....he even told us that back in the war of 1776 if we had stood up and fought like men instead of hiding behind rocks and trees we would have gotten our butts kicked....thats right....TRUE STORY.......
The reality of the situation is that the American rebels all their majr battles by normal warefare.
We had 2 Russian Elders together
Nothing was more funny when they said "Go back to the USA and take your church with you" and They said "We are Russian"
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You can also say "what type of Mormon were you"
On my misson I got to see how many differnt types there were. I always knew, but know I really know.
I found a website that had 4 types
What type are you closest to. Hybrid Types are cool too
Paper Mormons have no social or spiritual attachment to the Church. Their names could be on the rolls because they were born in the covenant and then fell away or because they were hastily baptized and then rethought their decision, but they no longer think like Mormons. In fact, the only commonality this group shares is a lack of Mormon-ness.
Pretty Mormons have a high degree of social commitment but no spiritual commitment. They are outwardly very orthodox and appear as Ensign-cover ideals. But while these people may be Coke-scorning Republican stalwarts with large families, they have never seriously attempted to spiritually connect with the doctrines of the Church. These people hate living in “the mission field” because their conformity to a belief that in Wisconsin or Texas is seen as a bizarre cult does not have any social advantages.
Obediac Mormons are spiritually and socially committed to the Church. In some ways, they are Pretty Mormons with powerful testimonies. Indeed, in areas where there are large numbers of Mormons it is hard to tell the difference between Pretty and Obediac Mormons, but in “the mission field” it is simple: the Obediacs are the ones in church. Because of their intense commitment to the Church, however, they easily loose patience with members of the other groups.
Caffeinated Mormons are believers, but they scorn the nondoctrinal culture that has grown up around the Church. They do not look to this culture for guidance on most lifestyle issues, even though they are just as likely to be at sacrament meeting as Obediacs. All bets are off, however, when it comes to social mores. While they may be Republicans, they may also have facial hair, belly rings, an open container of Pepsi in their hands, a piece of rum cake on their plate, naughty underwear in their bedroom drawers, etc. Obediacs love to call Caffeinated Mormons worldly, and Caffeinated Mormons usually respond by saying “and your point was?”
I would say that I am a Caffeninated Mormon.
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Boy Oaff....you're in the wrong, um, everything.
I think I read into things too much.
Ex. Is Jesus God.
I did not put 100% because to me that seems like a loaded question. To me it is different from "Is Jesus a God"
100% implies there are no other Gods, and I do not believe that. Also, 100%, to me, implies that I would believe in the Trinity.
As a result I was in the middle of the road for most.
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Mom's story reminded me of one..
So I was a new missionary, struggling with the language, had a lousy companion, and we had no investigators. So we decided to dig up a few old contacts and see where that got us. So anyway, we hit this place for an old contact, and this old dude had a hot (and I mean hot) latina chick who lived in this apartment with him and who knows how many others. Anyway, this chick isn't very old (early twenties) and she's got an 8 month old baby. So were talking to our contact and this hot chick unbuttons her blouse, pulls out her milk engorged breast in full view, and reaches for the baby and begins to feed it.
Now, I was 19 at the time, and I dang sure couldn't focus on Joseph Smith and the Holy Spirit I tell you...
Sometimes God is kind enough to give you a little lift when you need one. B)
That reminds me of the time where a lady did that in front of us. I politely turned my head away, only to find a big stack of porn.
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Judaism
58%
Christianity
50%
Buddhism
46%
Islam
38%
Hinduism
38%
agnosticism
38%
Paganism
38%
Satanism
29%
atheism
13%
I don't know, will I need a "brisk"? Or is it called a "Briss"
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I would like the mention something that was said earlier
"Salvation based on works"
I am sorry, but that is NOT was the LDS religion is about.
It is Faith AND Works. BOTH are required. It is not one or the other.
Consider James 2:24:
" Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only"
The "only" implies that both are needed.
I am well aware that many other scriptues say that we are saved by grace, but it does not say that our "works" save us.
At the end of the day it is Christ who saves. He is the deciding factor, not our works.
On the other hand, are we true servents if we don't try to do all the works we can?
Again, we need both.
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There is nothing quite like a mission to bring out the bizzare incidents.
You do not have to be an RM to post, feel free if you witnessed a situation, or whatever.....
I was in the England London Mission from 03-05, I got one to get the ball rolling:
Summer of '03, I was a greenie, on my first day we taught a 1st to a Muslim family in a park. We got a return apointment the next week. We decide to bring a member with us. Bro. X we'll call him. He lived on the same street as Maggie Thatcher used to live on, in a huge house. We thought that he must be some sort of buisness man who had it together (we were both new to the area, did not know anyone).
At the discussion he starts this salesman pitch, some of which included:
"There is Free parking"
"Don't worry, mud gets off the carpets"
"The kids can run wild"
and he also said (and did)
"When we pray we just bow our heads, none of this crazy stuff you people do"
Then he proceeds to actually get on his knees in the livingroom and mocks the way they pray.
I manage to physically force in back in the couch,
He says to "the wife":
"Get me a drink",
Then he goes to the bathroom, for about 30 minutes.
After we managed to get out of the house, he drove us home. On the way he stopped the car(after almost killing us 3 times) and peed on the side of the road.
Valuble lesson learned.
....MUST RESEARCH....
If A Tree Falls In The Forest...
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I am sure something will always hear it. Unless only humans matter....