Greatest_I_am

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  1. We will not speak much if I have to squeeze all details from you. Expand on what you say so I can know what you are saying. Regards DL
  2. Eden would be man’s mental jail. A place where man is kept stupid and compliant wit a God who demands that we remain ad dumb as sheeple. We rejected Eden as we should have. Man was meant for greater things and has produced. If you want Eden, then I suggest a frontal lobotomy. Regard DL
  3. Yes. I see that from your reliance on a scapegoat whose father demanded his son be murdered in a barbaric blood sacrifice. Yuk. Quite the God you follow. Sounds more like a Satan. Regards DL
  4. Eden was considered a myth by the Hebrew and Jews of the day. If you believe it was real then you believe in talking animals and an unjust God and man giving birth to woman. If so, take your magical fantasy thinking and go away. There is nothing you can teach me. The ancients were bright but not that bright as can be seen by Christians literalizing and historicizing scripture. A fatal mistake to understanding. Regards DL
  5. Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: Are you not one of God's works? Are you imperfect or evolving perfection and the best you can be? YouTube - Candide - 03 Best of all possible worlds Regards DL
  6. The bottom line is who has the best law. What we need determine is whether hell would be a moral construct or not. Judgment and punishment go hand in hand. Our human laws have a form of punishment where the penalty is graduated to fit the crime. An eye for an eye type of justice. God‘s punishment seems to surpass this standard. The definition I am comparing here is the eternal fire and torture type of hell and I am not particularly interested in the myriad of other definitions and theories that some use to supplant this traditional view. To ascertain if hell would be a moral construct or not, all you need do is answer these simple question for yourself. 1. Is it good justice for a soul to be able to sin for only 120 years and then have to suffer torture for 12000000000000000000000000 + years? 2. Is it good justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs? This might actually include God if you see Noah’s flood as God using genocide and not justice against man. Pardon the digression. Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent. 3. Is it good justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result? 4. If you answered yes to these questions, then would killing the soul not be a better form of justice than to torture it for no possible good result or purpose? Is hell moral construct or not? Please explain your reasons and know that ---just because God created it ---does not explain your moral judgment. It is your view I seek and not God’s as no one can speak for God. Regards DL
  7. You may have noted that many more Christians follow the law of the land than follow religious law. Thank God for that. Religious law is quite draconian by secular standards and customs. You will note that we live by secular law as it pertains to gambling, prostitution abortion and drugs. Just to name a few. No Christian will walk the talk of his Bible. Society would not tolerate such abuse of it’s members. Thank God the religious are not so stupid that they would choose religious laws over secular evolving law. Regards DL
  8. Is God an alien or one of us? Not being English, using and interpreting words and knowing their full meaning is always a close thing and if the listener and speaker are too precise in their acceptance of language, communication becomes nearly impossible. This is why in philosophical circles, they say that the definition of terms comes after a general consensus is reached on an issue. If one tries to go the opposite way then the issue will likely never be resolved and all the participants will do is argue instead of discuss and reason. I will try to show here, in a general way, that all of the following words all relate to the same being. Man, god, God, human consciousness, adam, society and humanity. We can be more specific on terms latter, but for now, I would ask that you allow some flexibility in definitions till after you grasp what I am trying to say. My bottom line will be that our original God was first a god and before that, he was a man. I invite you to listen to the first few lectures in this series so that you will know where I am coming from and why I have come to the conclusion that I have. Intro to the Old Testament-Lecture2: Bible in Ancient Near East Setting:Religion I will be starting off from the position that the ancients did not know how the universe started and that they created a myth to fill in the blanks. I will view Genesis as the ancients showing how mankind, through the archetypal Adam and Eve, became autonomous adults from innocent children and that all that Genesis is, is a myth of a right of passage. We do know that all ancient tribes had some kind of right of passage and unless we see Genesis that way, Christians, as a tribe or group, do not have one. Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: If all of God’s ways are judgments or decision making, then He must be thought of as a thinking entity. Nothing more. A disembodied spirit or consciousness of thought. This tells us what the writer wants us to know of God’s full attributes. No miracle working or powers of any sort, except for judging based on thinking. Many believe that we cannot know God and that his ways are unfathomable and mysterious etc. This is not what the writer is saying at all. He is setting our goal as humans, gods and future Gods. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. This is what the unspoken message from God to Adam and Eve is in Eden. God is demanding apotheosis the way any human father or mother would demand from his children. God is also shown as setting the conditions for Adam and Eve to show what all humans need to learn well. Initiative. This gift has been misunderstood as sin. God does this by allowing society or humanity, as represented by the talking snake, to have access to our two young and innocent archetype humans. First Eve, as girls mature faster than boys, and then Adam. After Eve then Adam sin, sort of, as God was training them to recognize learning as sin to insure that learning is done with caution, it is time to graduate. Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: After Adam and Eve do the right thing through sin/caution and learn, they graduate from school. Here, the writer tells us how we grew from innocent children to gods and hopefully to God’s. The ultimate goal of life. Through the study of the knowledge of good and evil. Rather simple and in this way, God and mankind leave Eden in a win win situation instead of the lose lose situation that Christianity has foolishly misinterpreted out of the old Hebrew writings. I say foolishly but perhaps it is as foolish as the most intelligent animal the snake. We would call it foolish as a fox. They may have been trying to use guilt as a tool of social manipulation to accentuate caution. I don’t think we can know for sure. If we are urged to be perfect like God and are shown to be able to, then man and god must mean the same thing. We as gods can then progress to Gods. Scripture has many references calling man god and gods and hinting to the God within all of us. If you thing demographically, you will note that God just sits at the top of our common which consists of us sitting in our positions as gods. Graphically, it would look like this. G ggg ggggggg ggggggggggg ggggggggggggggg Is God an alien or one of us? Regards DL