richard_the_lion_hearted

Let us also not forget those in The Book of Mormon who were willfully going about to destroy the Lord's work and became great men for the Lord in mortality, hence not knowing anything about the false spirits driving Adolph, nor the circumstances under which those false spirits entered into his life (by his own means or the sins of others), whether he was completely fooled or knowingly put Christ to an open shame such as the 'sons of perdition', is the VERY reason we shouldn't entertain the notion too seriously. Just know (based on these simple non-arguable facts) that it IS possible with Christ, and too much more discussion would be considered gossip on this topic since it is between Adolph and Christ, regardless of who he was in history or that he 'has gone the way of all the earth' deserves no less consideration from the saints.

Selek, I apologize for using the word 'condemn', I wrote my response right before bed and as I usually proof-read anything I write 2-3 times, being under the influences of the flu I must have missed that, as well as your last paragraph. I do still stand by my statements in the matter of how you came across as being offensive because I was taken aback by your choice of wording, I know that Korrotassa was. I do understand what you said, you are right, I just think you could have been less 'abrasive' for lack of a better word. My concern is only for those bruised, shattered spirits and them being possibly driven away rather then entreated and welcomed and possibly falling further into deception and sin, that was and is my motivation, and always will be because of my life experiences. I love all my brothers and sisters, I love you. I just personally know how 'fuzzy' things can be discerned by those under attack and only wish to acknowledge that in my discussions with any who suffer from sin whether it be thoughts or actions, to be more loving, like Christ. The story of Jesus and the harlot comes to mind and the limited words yet very powerful actions that the Lord took in embracing that dear daughter of God gone astray with His love. My statements to Korrotassa were (and are) intended to be thought provoking because I believe that the answer is simple in the spirit of the gospel, just very hard to accept sometimes until one gives up their pride and preconceived thoughts and allows the Lord to touch them with understanding through the Holy Spirit.

Selek, I'm not too sure that the Lord would look upon your responses as being loving or compassionate. You cannot say words like 'willfully' or 'deliberately' when you know not the heart of the person you are condemning, where mankind often lacks the full scope of compassion (charity) the Lord has already suffered all sins by all mankind, He suffered yours, mine, and Korrotassa's as well. That being said I believe that true, honest confusion or lack of understanding does not condemn forthright. Although we know right and wrong there are deceptions that do make the truth elusive and harder to find for those suffering in the midst of the temptation or sin (not always answered upon the head of the person in question either). Everything in it's due order, everything in the time of the Lord and of the person suffering to come to terms with giving ALL to the Lord and actually understanding what that means. It took me to be cast into prison at my lowest point, unrightously judged yet guilty because of my crime which did take place and put me before that unrightous judge. In my cell, scared and truly humbled, only then did I cast out ALL preconceived notions, all my pride, and for the first time (at 18) I heard the Spirit speak to me and testify the Jesus was in fact the Savior, the way (this being after much pondering, many tearful, hurting prayers throughout my young life). How disappointed the Lord was when He looked upon those who would condemn me (and some did), based on a few blanket staements and facts. They knew not my heart, my pain, my suffering that started as a young boy, the sins, the anger I was chained to because of a loved one, a trusted family elder of mine (by age) and their sins against me. Remember, ignorance is no excuse with man's law...the Lord knows all, sees all, knows the 'intent' of the heart, and therefore seldom condemns any other than the 'sons of perdition' before their due time, which I believe is the individual's lifetime. It may not be wise to accept the truth on your deathbed given that no one knows when they will die, but it IS possible. Therefore what I am saying to you is that just saying it's wrong doesn't suffice, nor does giving a blanket staement of what one feels when you do not know their thoughts. God bless you, I'm sure by the knowledge I can read from your posts that you will understand what I am saying and why you were taken as offensive by Korrotassa. Korrotassa, if you really want the truth just remember it may not be the truth you want. You cannot believe on one hand and not the other, meaning if you believe that Jesus is the Christ then you must accept the 'whole' of the gospel and know that you WERE created out of love, and it was no mishap or chance, it was carefully, with complete omnipotent wisdom decided. Be thankful, honor that and embrace it. :)

The only thing I can say my dear brother is that we don't always understand why but if you truly believe in Christ and His ways being the ONLY way and that the adversary can fool even the very most elect of God among us, then sometimes no matter how confusing, how depressing, how heart-breaking a situation may be, you have to rely on Christ (exercise your faith) to reveal to you the greater truth or understanding as it is. The 'niche' is that you must obey with full purpose of heart to receive the answer you seek or acknowledge your nothingness before Him, that you don't have the answers (you do not truly know), that you truly trust Him to show you. Exercise great patience that all things are done in His time. We were created as we are, this is a gift, it's the difference between being and not being. Jesus Christ made you who you are through Heavenly Father's direction, that is the ultimate first truth you need to recognize, then you must ask yourself if you have sufficiently humbled yourself before Him by obedience to the gospel, you can ONLY receive an understanding this personal from Him by these means. Do you really say in your heart that God made a mistake with you? God is perfect in all things, you have to trust Him where a lack of understanding is present no matter how confusing your situation is, if you don't believe that Christ is perfect as is Heavenly Father in ALL THINGS (concerning your special creation as one of His children, one whom He knows personally.) then your search will ultimately fail, does this make sense to you?