momof7-2nheaven

My idea on this is that women are in charge of raising the children, and for the most part God in your children's lives gives some morality for them to follow that doesn't only come from their parents. (Just a thought) Women are also certainly more emotional. The burning or feeling of the spirit would have to be classified as an emotion.

I take no offense in your opinion. It is true that I am dealing with a lot in my life right now, certainly some of which has taken me away from God(losing 2 children, both very traumatic ways) I have tried to get some what of a testimony back but the anger blinds most of this light. I appreciate your views and took some of what you said to heart. I know I am looking for understanding from sources that are not equipped to give it. I am thinking about maybe reaching out to other churches for some new and different peace.

It seems as though I have done my usual and kicked open a hornet's nest, even in my own house. Thanks for all the input. I just like to pour gas on flames that are smoldering, just for kicks. i hope no one go really angry at this. I do believe that Islam is more masculine than the LDS church but I think we come in a strong second.....

So are you saying Men in the church are Corrupt?????

I am not griping but discussing. I have a right to my opinion. I take what the church has taught me try to use it and like you saying the bishop might have info I don't, but am I not called to that position and not inspired to make decisions also. Does he trump always? If not why am i there? And as far as my role as a woman...explain it to me. Is it to be seen and not heard? Do you practice that?

Yes I have been through the temple. Yes I have been Primary President and in the YOung Women's and RS Presidency. Why does that matter? I was discouraged much of the time frame I served in leadership roles. I was told who to call. I was told where I should place people, so in fact I was not in a leadership position. I liken it to having the Owner's son as a boss. Even when things go completely wrong the person in charge is never called to own these results. And as far as being asked to change, Human beings have been asked to change and thank God for that since the beginning of time. The church has changed, blacks holding the priesthood and many other decisions. So just because that is the way things have been doesn't mean that they can not change. The idea that women might bring a fresh perspective to leadership is just an idea. What is wrong with new ideas? when I say my personality is not like that. I am not asking that things change because of my personality. I admit that I have a problem with authority, it is my fault but I can also see that things might run smoother with fresh thinking in the process.

I realize that some women are fine with the hierarchy of the church. I am not. I try to be diplomatic but I do not have that kind of personality. Men are in power in the church. Women are yes 'ums. Which is fine for some but we who disagree should have the ability to disagree. Men judge alone, they make callings alone. Some are not equipped to make these decisions. Some will forever harm the members in their stewardship.

Thanks for all the responses. I am certainly not a women's rights gal but on the other hand I have a hard time swallowing the fact that some men in the church are given so much responsibility when in the real world you would have a hard time giving them responsibility for your shopping list.

Why? You have none of the privileges awarded to the male counterpart...

I just wanted to know how many people out there believe that most religions treat women as a second class citizen, a lower status than men?

I have only seen LDS counselors. Most do not know how to approach my loss. One very good LDS counselor did 2 6 week treatments of EMDR. which helped so much, before I could not even drive now i take my kids to school on the same route in which my son died at the same time every morning. I struggle through each day. i am still using an LDS counselor. None of these counselors were through LDS social services, every counselor I tried there was inept. I do go to church, once in a while I will pray, but you have to understand that if there is a God, I am so angry at him that it is hard to go to him with my sadness. He knows how it feels to lose a Son right? He has taken two of mine......They are not with me and as long as I am here on this earth I will miss them, as will my other children.

My ward is a very funny ward. i am told that I have a tough shell and so therefore no one feels comfortable around me. I love service and try to help out whenever i can. I don't see this side of me. I feel weak and fragile and I would certainly accept help if it was offered. My bishop in fact never met with me in the entire year of my disfellowship stage, and probably never would have until my husband called him on it. It has been a year and a half. He called me in the last night and asked me if I wanted my membership back. Just makes me feel like a horrible persona. I don't think I am ready.

I am just wondering what happens if I never get fellowshipped back into the church? Will it just hang in the air, does your chance go away? If you don't want to be fellowshipped back could they put you through another church court?

In 1988 I lost my first daughter to SIDS. I was a unwed mom and really ran away from the anguish at the time. I found my way to straighten up and in 1991 was married in the temple to a great guy. 3 years a go I was involved in a horrible car accident that killed my oldest son. 4 out of my other 5 children were injured in this accident, some worse than others, some injuries that will last a lifetime. I did not handle this too well and went off the deep end. I had panic after panic attacks. I was prescribed valium. I was waist high in PTSD but didn't know it at the time. I started drinking to mask the sadness. I lost any faith in god whatsoever. I made some horrible decisions and was later disfellowshipped. It has been over a year and a half since I got some help and changed my life back. I go to church with my family but have no testimony of what is being said. I try to fake it because my husband is a firm believer. i am just wondering what happens if I am never fellowshipped back. I have no desire to do this. I have no faith in the local leaders of this church.I don't believe their is a God on most days. I don't have any problems living the church standards because I know we have a happier family when we do but I don't want to be a part of the whole life is happy atmosphere down at church because life is not happy. I get incredibly tired of being told that if god gave you this trial then you needed it, or that you should have been able to handle it. Any insight would be appreciated. I do not get along with the bishop of this ward. it is a farming community and I am an outsider and as such I am treated as one.