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[I read something and its giving me anxiety]

If one really believes this (bolded phrase), which I do, then it would be impossible and impractical to apply any of our known physics and theories about time-space, and passing through other material etc onto this "fine matter". We know nothing about the physics of this fine matter, we can't even see it.

In other words, the origins of this universe and everything we can see (as limited as that view is) may not have any direct application to the realm in which God lives. Trying to apply our known scientific knowledge onto some other form of matter seems really silly to me. We don't know if fine matter and course matter, or whatever you want to call the two types of matter, can physically exist together. We know the spirit interacts with the body, but how that happens and what the physics and science of that interaction are is unknown.

Would it really make that much of a difference in our gospel, for example, if the body was controlled "remotely" by the spirit? Even if it was controlled remotely, we could still talk about a separation of the spirit, the connection, etc. If we ponder that for a second, then saying that the spirits are all around us, if the body is controlled remotely, would have a totally different connotation. I am not saying that that is what we believe but we don't know how that interaction works. And we can't use our physical science to describe the physics of some other matter.

I really don't think its by remote, and dark matter may not be the answer either I just saw this statement and wanted to share and get incite on others views. Dark matter does excite me as to think the minute we die we are already in the spirit world. But that could still be even if dark matter is really nothing. Just interest me, I don't find it silly unless you need evidence like that to build a testimony. Also for the most part science does not know much of anything about dark matter just that it in fact it is there. and it has major impact on the stars.

[I read something and its giving me anxiety]

Joseph Smith explained that matter has existed and always will exist. That means that matter goes back in time from right now infinitely and will go forward in time infinitely, though the configuration of matter was different in the past and will be different in the future.

So even before the Universe existed matter existed. And after this Universe is gone then all the matter in the Universe will exist in some form.

A few billion years is chump change compared to the expansive understanding that Joseph Smith had about matter, and the Multi-Verse that we live in.

Furthermore Joseph Smith explained that there is two types of matter. One is Coarse-Matter, and the other is Fine-Matter. Coarse-Matter is what the temporal body is made of. Fine-Matter is what the spirit is made of.

All things in the Multi-Verse have a potential duality, that is they can have a Fine-Matter spirit component, that has a corresponding Coarse-Matter temporal body component.

Is there such a thing as immaterial matter?

Look closely at the illogical of that phrase. Science has never proven the existence of immaterial matter, yet so-called scientists continue to come up with ivory tower theories that start out with that ridiculous axiom, and yet that axiom has never been proven nor ever will be proven.

This shows you the danger of Global assumptions in the construction of logic philosophical theories. This is something that we all have to watch out for, whether in the research and development of science, or anything else.

What global assumptions do you have that are blinding you to the truth, even though it is right in front of your eyes?

One of the remarkable things about Joseph Smith was he was willing to ask God questions that others would not have asked because he did not merely accept what the sheeple believed, what the crowd wisdom said was the truth, rather insofar as possible Joseph Smith did everything he could to get beyond the superficial and into the very essence of truth, and the logic of truth, and how it all connected.

Is God therefor made of immaterial matter?

Since there is nothing that is made of immaterial matter, then no, God is not made of immaterial matter. Not even his spirit is made of immaterial matter because there is no such thing.

It is by definition impossible. Like 2 plus 2 equals 27, or something like that. God can not say 2 plus 2 equals 27 because that is not true, under any circumstance based on the definition of the sentence.

So God is a God of truth, above all else. Pitiful human minds can barely comprehend what that really means.

Therefor we can clearly see that 95% of religions have been proved wrong, because they hold to a false notion of the Multi-Verse, and also many scientist are proven to be unwise, because they hold to this easily determined FALSE belief. A belief that there is something called "immaterial matter".

Is the Universe speeding away from a central point in the cosmos, or is it going to travel back to its original spot and collapse on itself, sooner or later?

Joseph Smith would know the answer. There is another type of matter in the Universe. It is called Fine-Matter. So therefor there is much energy in the Universe that would not be accounted for by ignoring this truth of the Universe.

So therefor you would expect the Universe to be accelerating away from the central point of the Universe, because of the Extra energy that Fine-Matter provides.

Not just speeding at a constant rate from the center, and certainly not collapsing back on it itself toward the center, or reaching an equilibrium point. No. ACCELERATING because of the Fine-Energy that Fine-Matter provides.

And what did cosmologist find to be true? Who is shown to be right? Who has been vindicated completely in his view of the Multi-Verse?

No one that is who. Not one scientist proposed a model for an accelerating expanded Universe. Yet Joseph Smith's explanations of Fine-Matter imply just that. It is Joseph Smith that has been vindicated, and no one else, or at least no scientist was vindicated by these scientific discoveries.

There is a type of Matter, that is different than Coarse-Matter. This is Fine-Matter. Just as Joseph Smith explained it. And Joseph Smith has been shown to be a correct about the Universe.

The scientist are still so blinded from the truth they call Fine-Matter, Dark-Matter. This another global assumption not warranted by the evidence. There is nothing Dark about so called Dark-Matter. Just because you can not see something does not make it dark.

Joseph explained that the reason you could not see Fine-Matter was because it was too fine. And further he explained that Spirit was made of a material called Fine-Matter, that allowed it to have the properties that it does, to go through walls, and into a Coarse-Matter temporal body and so forth.

I found this interesting and thought i would share it on here.

[I read something and its giving me anxiety]

I have considered a number of concepts about agency in mortality. We agree that what happens in mortality is the result of agency but I am not sure to what extent we alter very much in mortality.

Let me give one possible example. Suppose one is making a trip from Jacksonville Florida to Los Angeles. While we are thinking about such a journey lets think about time. To compare time to distance let us think in terms of 1000 years equal to about a foot. If we are to consider that we are intelligences that have been involved with G-d since the creation of our universe then the distance that resembles that amount of time is about the distance from Jacksonville, Florida to Los Angeles. Our life in mortality should we live around 100 years would then be about one and half inches.

Now let us imagine that on our journey from Jacksonville, Florida to Los Angles California we make many free will choices in our journey so that now we have but 1 and a half inches left. With all the momentum and all our choices - what would it take during that last inch and a half in making choices to make that much difference?

I sometimes wonder if before we came to mortality we “programmed” out our lives. If we determined what our mortal journey would be then there is no loss of agency even if we had no power in this life to change much at all - like the last inch and a half in the journey from Jacksonville to Los Angles.

This would mean that we all understood very well - perhaps as well as did G-d what the results of our mortality would be. That would explain quite well why one part of heaven decided not to even participate in mortality. Thus their journey would not even come close to taking them from Jacksonville to Los Angles - and your scenario of one child left unborn would already have been considered and resolved long before we took on the last inch and a half.

The Traveler

I kinda see what your saying but idk if we knew what would be are destiny, but i do believe we did know our trials, and pains. I dk about the end so much though.

[John still alive?]

I think so and inst Cain still alive too?? I believe that they are but maybe not the same as we are they would have to be deferent I would like to think that i could pass him on the street and not know it, but i don't think that's so I think that he is around but not like we think.