hopefulfaith
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Not a tangent. I just question the translation of that particular passage. I lived through the years when the man took that passage literally. They were tough years and I came out very damaged.
Through the LDS Heavenly Father has healed so much.
You are not LDS are you? I invite you to think about that.
born and raised lds...even went on a mission... go to church every sunday....
just feel sad sometime that I won't be able to experience some of the same things as the men in church b/c I am a woman. So I just wonder is that a trial for women in this life or will it eternally be such. (and don't tell me that men feel excluded from childbirth b/c I know my husband is happily excluded from that one and he's not all that anxious to stay home and deal with kids all day)
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Right...but she is choosing to interpret that verse in a particular (negative) manner and is saying that the men in the church "rule over" the women. So I am asking where it is she has specifically seen that this how the church teaches it. I am seeking expansion of her viewpoint beyond one solitary verse in the Bible that can be interpreted in a variety of ways, given her negative viewpoint on the subject. I am trying to understand where that viewpoint comes from.
I've interpreted that part of the verse in context with the rest of the verses...pain in child birth, having to work hard to live... why would I interpret "thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." as positive?
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you guys are good at going off on tangents
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Well directing everyone back to the main point of my post.....about the punishment given to Adam and Eve...:)
So no one feels that that we are still living with the punishment that was given to Adam and Eve?? I think we are. Is it temporary for this earth's life? and if so what will change for women when Eve's punishments are removed?
"16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. "
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Under the covenant of the priesthood the act or responsibility to "rule" over anyone is in essence an act of service. The greatest in the kingdom of G-d is the servant of all. In the eyes of the world and many in religion the station of G-d is to be the boss of everything- the enforcer of one's will - but as demonstrated by Christ - to act as G-d is an act of compassion, love, sacrifice and service - even if it means forgoing one's will.
The Traveler
The definition of "rule" is "Exercise ultimate power or authority over". The priesthood does have the ultimate power or authority over women and it's hard to feel equality when we are told that.
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I read a book that explains this topic very well. It's called Shaken Faith Syndrome. I bought it to give to my brother but ended up keeping it myself. It's explains how leaders in the church can be wrong and the church still right
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I don't think that the problem that we women have is because we have differences from men, but because we are ruled over by men. It's hard to believe we are really equal when we are told that men rule over us.
I've had some thoughts about this and wanted to throw them out there to see what people think. These thoughts came to me while I was praying and struggling with this very topic and I wonder if these thoughts were inspiration from the spirit or just me wanting to find an explanation. Here is what came to me:
In the scriptures about Adam and Eve, Eve's punishment for eating the fruit was difficultly and pain in bearing children and her husband shall rule over her. Adam's punishment was the labor in working the land:
"16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. "
I've never believe that the pain in bearing children would be for all eternity and that the land being cursed for Adam wouldn't be forever either. I've always assumed those to be temporary punishments or maybe just earthly. So if those are just temporary then wouldn't you think that Eve's punishment about her husband ruling over her be temporary too? I started thinking that maybe there is something else to come for women (like Blacks and the priesthood). If men ruling over women in the church was a temporary punishment for Eve eating the fruit then I wonder how it will be after that punishment is removed?
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Hey, I have the teach the lesson in Relief Society and I can choose the topic. If you could sit through a lesson on any topic what would you most want to hear?
lesson ideas for Relief Society?
in Advice Board
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lesson during church in the RS hour (not an evening meeting)