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Today I am going to church, it has been years.
From being inactive and hopefully active again, and part of the family.
Please pray for me.
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I am a proud Australian, and while we're a young country, we are one of the true democracies on earth today. While not perfect, we did pioneer such things as the secret ballot as well as women's suffrage.
New Zealand was the first nation to introduce suffrage in 1883, with South Australia granting it in 1884 (as well as the right for women to stand for election) and federally in 1902 just one year after the establishment of the Commonwealth of Australia as an independent nation in 1901.
In comparison, women were granted the right to vote in the United States in 1920.
The development of democracy in Australia was not smooth, but it could be said it was not as bloody as was the experience in other nations.
This patriotic song is a wonderful chronology of Australian history, the lyrics are wonderful, and it really captures the harshness of what Australia is:
The following story is one of my favorites, the Eureka Stockade. The rebellion was truly about NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
Eureka Stockade
The Eureka rebellion, which is often referred to as the 'Eureka Stockade', is a key event in the development of Australian democracy and Australian identity, with some people arguing that ‘Australian democracy was born at Eureka’ (Clive Evatt). In addition, the principles of mateship, seen to be adapted by the gold diggers, and the term ‘digger’ was later adopted by the ANZAC soldiers in World War I.
The rebellion came about because the goldfield workers (known as 'diggers') opposed the government miners' licences. The licences were a simple way for the government to tax the diggers. Licence fees had to be paid regardless of whether a digger's claim resulted in any gold. Less successful diggers found it difficult to pay their licence fees.
Population of the goldfields
The population of the Victorian goldfields peaked in 1858 at 150,000. More than half of these were British immigrants, and 40,000 were Chinese. There were also Americans, French, Italian, German, Polish and Hungarian exiles as well as many other nationalities. (The Oxford Companion to Australian History)
Between 1851 and 1860, an estimated 300,000 people came to Australian colonies from England and Wales, with another 100,000 from Scotland and 84,000 from Ireland. Gold seekers from Germany, Italy and North America also made the journey to Australia in search of gold. Just over 5,000 people from New Zealand and other South Pacific nations, and at least 42,000 people from China, also arrived in Australia during the 1850s gold rushes. During this period, the colony of Victoria received 60% of all immigrants to Australia (eGold: A Nation's Heritage: Immigration and Ethnicity).
1854 - the year of the rebellion
In 1854 there were about 25,000 diggers of many nationalities on the Ballarat goldfields. Aboriginal people were also present in many capacities: as Native Police, guides, wives and gold diggers, as well as trading cultural items and food. Women on the gold fields were assisted by Caroline Chisholm.
Law and order on the goldfields was enforced by the Gold Commission's police force which was later reinforced by a garrison of soldiers.
Governor Hotham came to power in June 1854 and set up licence checks twice a week to enforce the licensing laws. Tensions began to boil over as opposition to the licences increased.
Official corruption was another concern for the diggers. This issue came to a head after a group of men beat to death a drunken Scottish digger. The group included local publican James Bentley. Bentley was a friend of the local magistrate and he escaped prosecution, as did three other men from the group.
This led to the diggers meeting on 17 October to try to bring the men to justice. After the meeting a crowd of diggers burnt Bentley's hotel to the ground. Soon after three diggers were arrested and charged with arson for their part in setting fire to the hotel.
On 11 November, 10,000 diggers met to demand the release of the three diggers, the abolition of the licence and the vote for all males. The outcome of this meeting was the forming of the Ballarat Reform League under the chairmanship of Chartist John Basson Humffray . Several other Reform League leaders, including Thomas Kennedy and Henry Holyoake, had been involved with the Chartist movement in England. Many of the miners had past involvement in the Chartist movement and the social upheavals in England, Ireland and Europe during the 1840s.
This was followed by an even larger meeting on 29 November where the diggers decided to publicly burn their mining licences. At this meeting the famous Southern Cross flag, which was to become known as the Eureka Flag, was displayed. In response to the meeting, the Gold Commissioner ordered a licence hunt for the following day.
The Eureka Stockade
On 30 November another mass burning of licences took place at a meeting on Bakery Hill. Under the leadership of Peter Lalor, the diggers then marched to the Eureka diggings (named after the 'Eureka lead', a deep lead of gold being mined by the diggers) where they constructed the famous stockade.
The stockade itself was a makeshift wooden barricade enclosing about an acre of the goldfields. Inside the stockade some 500 diggers took an oath on the Southern Cross flag, and over the following two days gathered firearms and forged pikes to defend the stockade.
Early in the morning of Sunday 3 December the authorities launched an attack on the stockade. Some weeks earlier the government had ordered the 12th and 40th Regiments to the goldfields to support the police troopers. The diggers were outnumbered and the battle was over in twenty minutes. Twenty-two diggers and five troops were killed. The Southern Cross flag was pulled from the flagpole and souvenired by the victors. Peter Lalor escaped the scene even though his arm had been badly injured (later requiring amputation).
On 6 December martial law was declared, and the following day a Commission into the goldfields was appointed. Thirteen diggers were committed for trial, but all were acquitted when they came to trial in February 1855. Peter Lalor avoided capture. The only person imprisoned as a result of the Eureka Stockade was the Editor of the Ballarat Times, Henry Seekamp, who was found guilty of seditious libel.
In March 1855 the Gold Fields Commission handed down its report, and the government adopted all of its recommendations. The Commission resulted in all the demands of the diggers being met. A bill was passed in 1854 to extend the franchise (the vote) to diggers possessing a miner's right costing one pound, whereas previously a six months residency and an eight pound yearly mining licence were required before a digger could register to vote. The hated Gold Commission was replaced by a system of mining wardens.
In 1855 Peter Lalor later became the first MLC (Member of the Legislative Council) for the seat of Ballarat. The Ballarat miners were given eight representatives on the Legislative Council.
The Eureka legacy
The Eureka rebellion is considered by some historians to be the birthplace of Australian democracy. It is the only Australian example of armed rebellion leading to reform of unfair laws. The Southern Cross flag has been used as a symbol of protest by organisations and individuals at both ends of the political spectrum.
Source: Eureka Stockade - australia.gov.au
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This is completely different from the olden days of England and Australia where "privilege" is truly by virtue of birth - where nobility is God-given through lineage and commoners are born to serve the noble. In that system, there's not much a commoner can do to improve his station and not much a noble can do to bring him down to commoner level. The differences in opportunities are stark.
Australia was never a class society, if anything the people that ended up here had one of two choices: execution or transportation to Australia (although, that was not what we were called back then).
When someone became free, they were granted land if they agreed to stay in Australia.
Out of the 6 colonies (now States), only one of them was established by free settlers, that being the Colony of South Australia. If you ever visit Adelaide (the capital), you'll see that this is the case, its nickname is the city of churches. Even the accent of South Australians is different, it is more posh, upper class.
When the constitution was written, the official name of Australia was decided to be the Commonwealth of Australia, which back then meant independent, republic. There was a lot of argument, but it was settled. The name Commonwealth of Australia has no historic links to what is now known as the British Commonwealth. We were using it before that organisation was even established.
So on the whole, there was no real class system, it was rejected from the start. However, there was land theft, the whole Australian continent was stolen from the original inhabitants, and in terms of poverty and lack of privilege, these people (the aboriginal people) are the worst off. As a society, we owe them, and we owe them big time.
This song "I Am Australian" (the lyrics) are a fantastic chronology of Australian history, and our rejection of the class system:
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It's hard to have this kind of discussion across international boundaries, because different societies will have different mobility rates. In the US, for example, it is easy (and true) to say that "the rich are getting richer" as a class. However, the identities of the members of that class are in a constant state of flux. We've lost a staggering number of millionaires in this most recent recession, for example.
I think it is the same in all societies to be completely honest.
People who are well off and who have done their family history (in a lot of cases) will find at some stage their ancestors were granted land or some sort of title which essentially has allowed future generations to live comfortably.
The United States, just like Australia, Canada and so forth, have very similar "colonial" histories. They're different in some aspects, but land was stolen and given (granted) to people who had no legitimate claim to it.
I am not some woodstock hippy though, so I am not advocating that people give up their property rights or title deeds. What was done was done, our nations are now independent, based on constitutional systems and run by the rule of law.
But lets not fool ourselves that everyone is born equal, with the same privilege and influence... because that is false and just a way people who have grown up with privilege and influence (bestowed upon them generations ago) can feel good and justify their position in society, without feeling they should have some sort of social conscience.
However, in saying this, I do not believe people are victims, and believe people should take control over their own destiny.
It is my belief that education is one of the great equalizers in modern societies and the way to bridge the divide between those who have been the "haves" for generations (based essentially on historic theft) and those whose ancestors were never granted property rights over anything, and therefore the have nots.
Me personally, I was raised in a single parent home, my mother was abused by my father (whom I have nothing to do with). She instilled in me that I must work hard and get an education so that I could control my own destiny and not be a slave of the social security system.
I have done that, I did it through education, and thank goodness a fair and equitable education system has been available to me.
In my current job, I am in contact with extremely wealthy people who have a massive amount of influence in society. They have always told me that with privilege and wealth comes great responsibility to society. That is how I live my life.
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A lovely, inspiring story.
Why wouldn't they want a person like that with a strong story to tell?
It is a story of a life changed, a life turned around.
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Does that also mean things like farm subsidies should be abolished and that banks should be left to fail and therefore collapse?
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I'm not sure either of those are desirable. It would require a nationwide, electronic (read: hackable) voter registry. And I'm not crazy about a resident of Maine being able to vote for representatives of the people of California. Getting an absentee ballot (in Utah, at least) is already insanely easy.
No I don't mean a resident voting for representatives outside their home jurisdiction, what I meant is with a uniform and standardised voting system (paper, electronic, proportional, preferential, first past the post etc), it means if you're away from your electoral district or interstate, you can still go to a polling place and do a declaration vote within your own district. The polling official would just have to look up where the elector is from, write out a ballot paper for them (easy, because they're standard), the person votes using a declaration vote and that vote is then sent to their home district, verified against the electoral roll and the counted if they're eligible.
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Some people are born into privilege, that privilege can go back generations.
You can't say that people are born equal when 150 years ago an aristocrat was granted a plot of stolen land from which to build their wealth, which in turn benefited future generations.
Class does exist.
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Should capitalism (free market) be regulated, or can it exist on its own through self regulation?
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I am a federalist and I also believe in States having sovereignty, even more sovereignty than they have now. In my country the States used to have a lot of sovereignty, but over time High Court rulings have slowly chipped away.
The States here used to have the right to tax income, but the High Court ruled that a person can only have their income taxes once, and that power rested with the federal government.
I believe it is possible to have uniform standards for vital institutions (such as elections) through State cooperation. The States can still have their electoral commissions, but with standards which have been agreed at a interstate level.
That opens up lots of possibilities, through such agreements a person could be absent from a State (on business) and still turn up to any polling place to vote. Also, it could increase democracy by meaning a candidate could register in one State and be eligible to be on the ballot in all States.
Uniform standards also mean all people (candidates and electors) know the rules, know the regulations no matter where they vote.
I also firmly believe electoral commissions should not be answerable to the government, they should be independent statutory bodies that are answerable to the people through their legislature.
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I was a bit misleading in my original post, as I remember at the last New South Wales State Election, we were able to vote online... but there was a paper trail because a receipt was emailed back. The receipt couldn't be forged though because it had gone through multiple systems.
I personally do not trust electronic voting, not without a paper trail to the point the electronic voting machine prints out a docket which can then be put into a ballot box.
Sure, electronic voting might speed counting up, unless the count is then challenged in court.
I have been employed by both the Australian Electoral Commission and New South Wales Electoral Commission as a polling official, which meant I was required to count the votes after polls closed. During the day I would mark people off the electoral roll and issue ballot papers.
At the end of the day the ballot papers were counted ON SITE, the party / candidate scrutineers would enter the polling place before polls closed, and would remain there during the count.
We have a pretty complex system here with preferential voting (a candidate must get 50% + 1 to be declared the winner), but it literally only took 2 hours to count through 3000 votes (just one polling place). The results would be called through to the electoral commission and within 2 or 3 hours we would know who has won government.
A first past the post system would be pretty easy so I am unsure why there is a rush to electronic voting, especially with the risk and cost of litigation.
Good old paper and marker, it is almost fail safe!
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Hi Matt,
Bathurst is a great place to live except there are few LDS there. Have you had a chance to visit Utah? It is amazing to us Aussies to experience being in an LDS community where you are one of the crowd and not the one in a million. We are influenced by the company we keep. Try to visit where there are more members... Sydney or Brisbane would be a good start. :)
I live and work smack bang in the CBD of Sydney and also work 100 metres away from an LDS Chapel, which is in a high rise office block.
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The Bible mentions that God created both good and evil:
Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
What is meant by this?
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I am a political buff and am one of those people who know a lot about domestic and international politics... someone who just has an obsession with politics in general and would be perfectly at home in any democratic nation.
This is not a discussion about the electoral college, even though I do have an opinion on it.
Instead, what I find weird about the U.S. electoral system is how there are many different voting standards in different States and even different regions within States. Some use electronic voting, some use paper based voting, and some use a mix of both with differing rules as to what is a valid and invalid vote and so forth.
In Australia we have a federal system, and at the State and Local government levels there are different systems, for example in the recent Australian Capital Territory election, they use the proportional system, while in the State of New South Wales there is a mix of the proportional system and preferential system (the Legislative Council uses a State Wide proportional vote, while the Legislative Assembly uses the preferential system).
At the federal level, each State has twelve senators (elected to a six year term with a half election every three years), each of the mainland territories receive two senators (elected for a three year term) while the House of Representatives uses the preferential system (also known as an instant-runoff system) with reps elected every three years.
However, while there are different systems used, the same method of voting is used at each election. No matter which polling place a person goes to, they are handed exactly the same ballot paper, with the count following exactly the same rules. The ballot paper / system used does not change from electoral district to electoral district, and there is always a PAPER TRAIL.
Just wondering whether Americans believe their system should be cleaned up?
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I live in the State of New South Wales, Australia.
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As I understand it the world is in debt? Correct? Or am I wrong on that?
When I had two young children my mom told me about something that happened at the dinner table with my younger siblings (all teenagers and all working).j Someone owed someone $5. He pulled out a $5 from their pocket and paid off the debt. Then that person turned to another sibling and paid off the $5 she owed. And so forth around the table. Mom said about $30 of debt was paid off with that $5. It was a good lesson in economics for my younger siblings and a good example for me.
Yes, the world is in debt, but my nation (Australia) can service our debt... in fact before the Global Financial Crisis we had NO government debt, and a surplus which was growing by the billions each year.
This meant that during the Global Financial Crisis (GFC), we were in a position where our government could make a calculated decision to go into debt, we we fully set up for it. There was no debt ceiling crisis, the government simply made a decision to support the economy to see the nation through.
So what did they do? The government did not bail out banks because our banks were strong. Prior to the GFC, there was reasonable financial regulation, meaning our banks only leant to people who could reasonably afford to service their debt. There was no sub-prime crisis here.
Instead, the debt went to building infrastructure such as new school buildings (classrooms, science labs, libraries etc), as well as roads and other productive infrastructure.
This construction supported jobs, the money flowed through the economy, it multiplied and Australia did not go into recession. In fact, we have not seen a recession for over 20 years.
We have good governance, reasonable regulation, a market economy and we are owed money. We have loaned money to the IMF and World Bank to prop-up European economies, and why should we forgive it?
Those nations CHOSE their irresponsible monetary, fiscal and regulatory policies, and they suffered the consequences of those choices. It is the same with the United States, it CHOSE to spend beyond its means, it chose its fiscal policies, it chose its monetary policies and it chose not to (or failed to) regulate its financial institutions properly.
I am all for a free market, but there needs to be laws which govern it.
Our federal government is now heading back to having surpluses, so we'll start paying off our debt by making the hard funding decisions and by cutting spending.
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I know I am an inactive Mormon, but I have blessed and passed the sacrament before.
We always had a jug of water and extra cups while we blessed the sacrament, just in case more were needed. The water was already blessed, the blessing did not have to be redone.
The sacrament should be the central part of sacrament meeting (that is why it is called sacrament meeting), the talks are secondary to it. If anything should be cut short or rushed, it should be the talks, not the sacrament.
The sacrament should be done with reverence, and if it takes a few more minutes to get extra bread, extra water, or even if more bread and water needs to be blessed again, so be it.
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I sometimes get these commercials, which I normally skip.
However, I did force myself to watch one and I was not impressed, especially at how the feature person talked about their own life.
Being Christian isn't meant to be about the personal pronoun "I", it should be about Jesus. This was touched on, but right at the end of a 3 minute video!
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This is another one I really like:
We Will See Him:
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I have resigned myself to a life where I am single, with no wife and no children.
I feel no lady will ever want me.
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Well, you're all talking from an American viewpoint.
In Australia we have had 20+ years of GROWTH, we have not gone into recession and we have one of the largest (per-capita) pool of savings of any nation.
We're a nation of 23 million people, yet we have $1.5 trillion in retirement savings.
We also have one of the lowest government debt burdens of any developed nation, it sits at around 9% of GDP. Our tax rates are pretty low as well, even with things like universal medicare.
Not feeling this 7 years of lean here... I feel the reason why the United States is feeling it is due to the mismanagement of your economy, and you cant blame that on the current administration, because it has been systemic for DECADES!
General Government Debt (2010):
It all comes down to having balanced policies, sensible regulation and not spending beyond your means, be it your own personal means or the government.
Before people come in with illogical mathematical arguments such as "Australia has a smaller population", I will ask that you look at things on a per-capita basis (per-person). Yes, Australia has a lower population, which also means we don't need as many services as the United States. But the United States has a much larger population, and should therefore have a larger pool of income as well as tax revenue to fund those additional services and should be able to run them cheaper (economies of scale).
I am at a loss as to why the United States government is in the debt that it is, considering that the tax rates are comparable to those here in Australia. Obviously over the last few decades things have been run inefficiently.
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I believe there are uplifting Christian songs which are not considered hymns, but are still uplifting and a form of worship.
One of my favorites is the song "In His Hands", which while not in the LDS Hymn Book, is in The Salvation Army Song Book:
Do you have any songs which you like?
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I believe simply being a good example is what is needed, people will eventually catch on and will become part of the community. For example, if someone walks into church all casual, with flip flops, shorts and a t-shirt, it is best to treat them exactly the same as everyone else. They will eventually want to become "part" of the community, and will dress more modestly.
Same with coffee drinking, eventually they'll accept it isn't something which is done, and hopefully will give it up. If they don't, it isn't a massive sin, in fact it isn't something which will exclude them from the sacrament.
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Yes, but I cant remember all my sins.
Going to church today
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Yes, it is Sunday here already.
But I consider the Sabbath to start at twilight, as per the Bible.
The Bible says the day actually starts in the evening, which makes sense, especially in a spiritual sense. We should be prepared in the evening before church the next day.