Idacat

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  1. This is what I meant when referring to "faith based archaeology".If you, and your colleagues want to eventually produce a work of convincing evidence that this IS the Hill Cumorah, this work needs to proceed along the lines of currently accepted archaeological method and theory. Allowing someone to fall to their knees at the prompting of the Holy Spirit and "dig like a dog" to miraculously unearth a stone tablet automatically compromises the integrity of the site. Archaeologically speaking the context in which items are recovered from an archaeological site during excavation is as important, or more important than the actual object itself. I am speaking of factors such as stratigraphy and the spatial relationships between and among individual artifacts or groups of artifacts. This information is vital in making any kind of conclusion from an excavation, up to an including whether or not this was a battlefield. And, this type of "single artifact based conclusions" were what has eventually invaildated the similarly faith based archaeology done under the auspices of BYU in the 1950's and 1960's. So, scientific method and rigor is perhaps MORE important in excavating and analysing sites that may have religious significance than it is when working at/on sites not presumed to have any such connections. Archaeology is a science, "having the Spirit with them" , if these promptings are true and good, should compel those engaged in a suspected or presumptive Book of Mormon related site (or a Biblical site) if they want their work to be accepted both by the scientific community within which they work and by the community of faith whom they hope to illuminate, to adhere even more strictly to the procedural confines of good archaeological practice. And, IMO, for those of faith, the kind of archaeological and/or historical validation of any scripture may be interesting and perhaps affirming, but faith itself must ultimately stand alone. And again, could you addresss my inquiry as to the necessity of the serial transliteration of the "Ogam" on this stone? And, may I ask what formal training or background in field archaeology and arcaheological method and theory?? What about the fellow whho fell to the ground and "dug like a dog"? Was it not noted at the time that this action could so seriously compromise the integrity of the whole project as to invalidate any conclusions which could eventually be made?? And, you are, of course, correct, that it is my opinion is that the grooves on the La Venta heads are simply that, grooves. But it is also the opinion of the great majority of the scientific archaeolgical community, and if it is expected for this project to ever be accepted as anything but a few fanatics digging like dogs, the opinion of that community matters.
  2. Hopefully you mean decipher?What is the point of "transliterating" from "Ogam" to Latin and then to Hebrew?? I'm thinking a nice straightforward translation would work as well. I'm myself am an archaeologist by education and profession and have seen the field of Book of Mormon archaeology progress at BYU incredibly since the days of Ross Christensen in the 1950's and 1960's through to today's scientifically trained and oriented archaeologists. This is still an active field at BYU and you can, if you are so inclined, take Book of Mormon Archaeological Tours sponsored by BYU. Many publications are also available if you want to read about Mesoamerican archaeology from the LDS perspective. Archaeological explorations related to scriptures can only be seen as validating those scriptures in very broad ways, not as having the ability to confirm any scripture as literally historically "true". That is still necessarily up to faith. IMO, one person's assertion that grooves on the heads at La Venta are "vowelless Ogam", which is fairly unique to Neil Steede does not prove, in any way that that is what the grooves in the heads actually ARE. Having seen them myself...........the grooves are grooves. What I see here is "faith based archaeology"; pun intended.
  3. Yes, help is there for those who need. When I had need I was barely active and had never paid tithing. I was terrified and humiliated, but I was treated with the greatest of care and respect. And, my experience was like that of enlightenme; a grapevine at work. This changed my attitude in many ways; led me back to the path, and now I give so that others may receive. I KNOW that you do NOT have to be a tithing active member to receive this help freely given, and I also have known persons and families who were not members who received direct assistance.