Ron Beron
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My understanding is that is was part of an ancient tradition of placing a "curse colophon" on any body of scripture or writing to discourage disciples from imitating the original. Probably among the most famous are the curses placed on Egyptian tombs to discourage grave robbers.
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Why do you consider this necessarily to be so? The role of a prophet in the OT and contemporaneously is much more complicated than a simple prognosticator.Deuteronomy 18:20-22
20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."
21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
*First a prophet was one who saw or watches (Isa 29:10;43:10-12;Eze.33:7).
*Secondly, he would be a witness or martyr to that which he saw. He would promote the saving ordinances of the gospel, the decrees and rites. (Isa I1:11-12(but)1:13 and DC 132:2-4). He would keep the scripture alive in the hearts of the new generation.(Isa 50:4;DC 68:4) He would teach that Israel had been elected by God and had a special covenant with him. He would teach them a sense of belonging that Israel was a place set apart. That Israel alone taught about the real God. (Isa. 40:11;DC49:9,36)
*He would also render Gods judgement (Isa 30:12-14;Jer. 5:3,12,14;DC 19:3, God's compassion or mercy which implied a covenant. (Isa 54;7-8 ;DC 64:2;101:9), redemption (Isa 51:11;DC29:42), and final consummation (Isa 53:4-5/2:2-4)
*Finally he would seal his life with his death.
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Thanks. I'll check it out.I'm not familiar with that.. Perhaps if you tried the Quotemeister of the American Chesterton Society you could find out.
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I have read parts of it and she is not very convinced that Paul was a strict Gnostic, although much of his writing reflects a gnostic edge. His adherence on concepts of "wisdom" can take us further back into some very interesting OT teachings on wisdom literature and the sub belief in Hokhma/Wisdom/Sophia which was a strong component of later Jewish belief. Philo of Alexandria taught a form of gnostic belief derived, in part, from Jewish thought.Thanks for your comments.
Have you read "The Gnostic Paul"? If so, what did you think?
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I've been trying to track down the exact words. It goes like this. Chesterton recounted a "dream" he had had where he dreamt he was in heaven and had three miracles of inspiration come to him. First, there were people that were in heaven he would have thought never would be there. Two, the people he suspected should have been heaven, weren't. And the third and greatest miracle was that he was there.I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to...
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Heretics and Orthodoxy. My favorite story he told was one where he discusses the three great miracles of heaven. I cannot remember it exactly. Do you remember it?Which book is that?
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Mine said the same thing. I had offloaded Office Express and I wasn't able to get Outlook to run. I then reloaded Outlook Express and it worked fine. You should have it existant on your computer all ready. Just go over to the Control Panel and hit the Add or Remove button. As to removing Outlook you should be able to do that with little problem. Other than this I am lost.I just got a new computer - it has XP running on it. I installed Windows Office Pro 2007 which has Outlook on it.
The email program that I use is IncrediMail XE. When I download it from their web site it automatically goes into Outlook Express. This I do not want.
If Express is not there, then IM XE will then download into Outlook.
I went to TwekXP.com to uninstall outlook express and it says that Outlook 2000 requires Outlook Express.
OK - I understand that- but I have Outlook 2007 - does that still require Outlook Express?
Can anyone help me with this?
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Yep! Great writer. I have one of his books.Just curious: Does anyone here read G.K. Chesterton?
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In agreement with your findings it is fairly evident that there were secret teachings. Later, I believe many of these teachings were completely eradicated during a purge of gnostic ideas during the Nicaean Council. I would think that the greatest problem to overcome is the comparison between gnosticism and Mormonism which may very well be contradictory and certainly heretical to orthodox Christianity as seen by some.
Looking at your list I would think that most of the descriptive terms, especially the Greek, were, in fact, Gnostic teachings. Elaine Pagels brings up Paul's gnostic teachings in "The Gnostic Paul".
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Who were the performers and what were their songs? I really liked the music.I think LDS Temples have to be some of the most beautiful buildings in the world.
I put together a slide show of some of them. Please enjoy.
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Okay, Charity, I think that you are overly projecting at this point. How about lustfully eating without guilt or weight or no teenagers at all. That would be heaven.I think we will do all the good things we did here, but just not the bad things. We will eat, but not overeat, we will have sex, but not for any lustful reason, we women will have babies, but without all the unpleasant stuff, we will get to be parents to babies without the spit up, and toddlers without the tantrums, and teenagers without cars. What bliss.
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He was the Tokyo Stake President on my mission and I had to report to him on a periodic basis. He was very businesslike and very kind. He also spoke better English then I spoke Japanese.My husband was just telling me about the time Elder Kikuchi made him get up in front of the whole stake and bear his testimony, then his mom (his dad was stake president), but she had taken her baby out to feed him. When it was her turn, he called her saying, "Sister _______ ...... Siiiiiiiister _________" She had to hand her baby to someone else so she could get up. My favorite story is the time Elder Kikuchi slept in my husband's room when he was in his heavy metal phase with scary looking posters on his wall and all he did was write my husband a very nice thank you note for giving up his room - nothing about his choice of music or posters. :) He sounds like a very nice man.
Does anyone else have any good stories about him? My husband remembers him very fondly.
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GG...If I had rephrased my answer to reflect the simplicity of your remarks then I would have fewer pushbacks. Thanks.IMO the method of creating physical children, i.e. sexual relations, is a purpose and function for this sphere and for our mortal bodies.
I believe that spirit children will be "organized" in some manner but not through sex or any other method used in this world. I don't believe we will be eternally pregnant as we know it. I believe we will function on a higher plane of creation.
Garden Girl
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See my post above....So you believe sex is sinful or dirty? Strange then isn't it that God would choose this "dirty, sinful" method to give every single one of His children a physical body. No my friend, sex is for sharing and loving "..and two shall become one" when done in the correct relationship (marriage)
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I think you misunderstood me. I said, "sex as a celestial being" not as a physical being. Since we will be living in a celestial paradisical glory then the idea does seem simplistic."Sex as a celestial being with celestial glory seems a bit primitive and simplistic at best and crude and offensive at worse. " - Ron Beron
I do not understand how you could come to such a conclusion, RB, I had always been taught, and if you look up church doctrine on it, that sex is divine and holy. We go under covenant in the temple to be chaste and cleave only unto our spouse. I do not see how sex is primitive or simplistic. Sex is only offensive when Satan distorts it. When used in marraige it is special and divine.
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Yep! Most of my Jewish friends and the commentaries I have read seem to indicate that the stories in the OT are more illustrative of the relationship between man and God than an actual historical occurrance. It seems that it doesn't matter if the incident occurred or not what is more important is that God could do such things. In the meantime mankind needs to know that without God man is nothing. Having said that the stories of the OT is equally illustrative in that they show God's infinite love and compassion for His children.Really?
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It seems this approach is more consistent with the Jewish thought on the OT.Perhaps a healthier way to look at the Old Testament (since it is difficult, if not impossible to know how it has been modified) is "What can I learn from this story about the relationship between God and myself?" or "How does this story, when applied to my life, bring me closer to God?"
This brings us much more benefit than asking, "Did this actually happen as it says it happened?"
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A lot of manuals are available on-line at LDS.orgI believe that there was an actual flood, and the reason for this is that the earth itself needs to go through its own 'ordinances' as such, in order to be celestialised after the second coming. The flood was the earths 'baptism'. The eath is also going to be cleansed by 'fire' which will be like our baptism of fire (receiving the Holy Ghost) So i do believe that the flood was literal.
I remember learning of the OT in Seminary, and we were taught (using Church approved manuals) that the OT is literal, (but like the article of faith, it is not all translated correctly) It has been a while since ive been in seminary. I would like to get a hold of that manual again, and do some of my own personal study, i dont think i have studied the OT enough. (I did study Isaiah, but that was more because it is encouraged in the BOM)
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My wife and I have an essential disagreement about the OT. She believes that most of the OT is basically authentic and actually occurred. I feel much of the OT is a series of analogies that were used to teach us of God and His plan for us. Case in point. I believe Noah to have been borrowed from the Sumerian and Akkadian texts during the Babylonia captivity and redacted into the literature of Genesis. She believes that the story is fairly true as it is presented. What do the majority of posters feel about this? And what stories in the OT are absolutely historically authentic?
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I don't believe anyone here can assert with any real authority that we will be having sex or anything akin to it in the eternities. Sex, at least here on earth, is for physical procreation and is suited uniquely to our human forms and behavior. Sex as a celestial being with celestial glory seems a bit primitive and simplistic at best and crude and offensive at worse.
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Knock knock....
Who's there?
Ya
Ya who?
Are we having fun or what!
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How are Spirits made?
Practice....lots of practice.
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I had a student from Sicily who would sing that song for the class. I love it.
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Mr. Potts story is remarkable as was the life of Pavarotti. A childhood friend of his shared the story that when he was a baby he ate so much that they had to get a wet-nurse for him in addition to his own mother. I am not a major fan of operas, but I love the arias.I have felt so low today because the maestro is gone. Twenty years ago I watched the three tenors, purchased the CD, expanded my collection, and never looked back. I am a huge opera fan and it is especially because of the man with the delightful face and the huge girth which was trifling compared to his stunning, wondrous and enchanting life.
I will miss him terribly.
Here he is singing one of my favorites: It's Una Furtiva Lagrima written by Gaetano Donzinette
For those who love opera as I do, here is a treat that I’m sure the maestro would want us to enjoy.
It’s the story of an unassuming cell phone salesman with a dream that comes true, and gives you chills at the same time. Enjoy.
I hope you enjoy Paul's story as much as I did, and do.
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