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By claiming that people in this day and age need more than Jesus do you limit His power. Paul said, "I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength." Jesus said, "Apart from Me you can do nothing." "I Am the Bread of Life." "I Am the Good Shepherd." "I am the way, the truth, and the life." 1 John 1:7 states, "The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin." This stands in contrast to what one of the Mormon leaders claims, "But under certain circumstances there are some serious sins for which the cleansing of Christ does not operate, and the law of God is that men must then have their own blood shed to atone for their sins" (Mormon Doctrine, p.92) So, Mormonism would claim that the sacrifice of Jesus wasn't sufficient, and men must now shed their own blood to atone for their sins. Also, Mormonism would claim that people aren't only saved by Jesus, but by the church as well. Bruce McConkie states: "There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Mormon Doctrine, p.670). Marion Romney (is he any relation to Mitt?) said, "This Church is the ensign on the mountain spoken of by the Old Testament prophets. It is the way, the truth, and the life" (Conference Report, April, 1961, pg. 119) [There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith" (Joseph Fielding Smith, in Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190) "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith" (Brigham Young, in Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p.289) Joseph Fielding Smith said: "If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190) BTW, I'm going to respond to your claims regarding the New Testament, Enoch, and Plagiarism. I'm doing some additional research on the subject and will reply soon.

Who asked me to provide evidence that the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible? Which post # did they ask this?

Can you give any specifics? You should be careful. I got reprimanded for not engaging in congenial discussion. But Scripture has more than one author, unless you contend that all the books of the Bible were directly written by the finger of God. However, this idea would contradict at least some books of the New Testament (Romans 16:22, 1 Corinthians 16:21, 2 Corinthians 13:10, Galatians 6:11) Since Scripture has more than one author, wouldn't it have been prudent to cite both of them? In the Bible, most quotations say, "As it is written..." or "This is what was uttered by the prophet Joel"...or "For David says concerning Him" etc. However, when you compare Moroni 10 with 1 Corinthians 12:1-11, the writer makes no reference to Paul as the author. There are many other quotes like this from the Mormon Scriptures with no reference given. Do you have any references for these assertions? False witness? Are you aware of what Revelation 21 says? "I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." Do you think this is speaking of adding to or taking away from the book of Revelation only, or of the whole Bible?

D. None of the above.

I believe God has the ability to add to His Word whenever He wants. No, I have not had time to study every belief system under heaven. This should not disqualify me, or anyone else for that matter, from challenging the basic claims of a belief system that I believe to be in contradiction to the Bible. You've likely heard the old story (whether true or not, I don't know) about those who are able to detect counterfeit money. They do not spend all of their time studying the counterfeit, but rather they spend their time studying the original so that they can spot the counterfeit when it comes along. Because it says so.

See the above post where I said that the Bible is NOT all that we need, and that there are many more things humans need for survival. Christians also need to be led by the Holy Spirit (yes, I know you have a different understanding of the Holy Spirit), which never contradicts His Word. So, you think adding to the Scriptures will reduce the numbers of churches? Historically, even within Mormonism there have been factions and splinter groups who have departed from the Mormon teachings to begin new and different kinds of churches.

Because (1) neither Moses nor Isaiah, through their writings, were able to give an accurate description of the nature of God (though Jesus was, Hebrews 1:1ff), nor were they (through giving the words of God) able to make perfect those who heard and believed their words (Hebrews7:18-19, 22; 8:6-13). Because God was setting up His church, and the people of God needed to know how to function within that context just as the Israelites needed to know how to function in the context in which God had placed them. Why is there a need for a second witness? Why did that second witness come thousands of years later if it was so necessary? Don't the inspired writers give witness to their own writings, as Peter witnessed to the truth of what Paul said in 2 Peter 3:15ff? What do we need to know? Are you questioning the power of Christ, who is able to "save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through Him? (Hebrews 7:25) Are these words in the book of Hebrews not true anymore?

I do not believe that I said the Bible is all that we need, for there are many other things that humans need to survive. I said that "the books of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation are sufficient to teach us all we need to know concerning 'life and godliness'." This idea comes from 2 Peter 1:3 and 2 Timothy 3:16. If you look at the 2 Peter passage, he uses the past tense, saying to his readers, "His [Christ's] divine power HAS GIVEN to us all things that pertain to life and godliness." So my question is, if we've already been given all that we need, what new knowledge empowering God's people for life and godliness has been given to us through the Mormon church that isn't mentioned in the Bible?

If you don't need more, would you be content to simplify your religion and get rid of the excess? No, I don't see it the way Jews do, I believe there is more needed than the OT.

In the examples you cite, however, people WERE saved by the revelations given to others. Noah's family was saved because they believed the revelation given to Noah. The Israelites were saved from Egypt because they believed the revelation given to Moses. My argument would be that we DO have the commandments that God gives us now. So, are you saying that the revelation of Jesus Christ was insufficient? Is He not a sufficient and well-qualified High Priest (Hebrews 4:14) appointed by God (Hebrews 5:5) who is able to grant grace and mercy to help in time of need (Hebrews 4:16)? If in Jesus we are able to gain a completely accurate picture of the nature of God (Hebrews 1:3ff, John. 1:18 and many others), there is no better revelation needed. Also, if the new revelation given was so important, why are huge chunks of it plagiarized and hijacked from the Bible? The problem with Mormonism is that, even while plagiarizing the Bible, it stands in contradiction to the Bible. If Mormonism wanted less conflict with the Christian community, it should be honest about its opinions concerning the Bible instead of claiming to believe and accept what the Bible says. Tread very, very carefully, Follower. This forum is for congenial discussions of LDS belief. The Book of Mormon contains ancient Hebrew Scripture also found in the Bible. That is not plagiarism. Nor does the Book of Mormon contradict the Bible. It does, however, clash with certain extra-Biblical and sect-based interpretations. Do not make any further accusations of dishonesty or you will find your tenure here to be dramatically shortened. Finally, you've been asked several pointed questions. I suggest you answer them. Only the moderators are allowed to monologue here. Honos

Hello everyone, I'm new here so bear with me as I get acquainted with everyone and the MO of this forum. As I was browsing all of the topics, I thought about this question. Why? Why do Mormons see the need for additional revelation? From my understanding, the books of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation are sufficient to teach us all we need to know concerning "life and godliness." If this is true, why do Mormons see the need for additional Scriptures?