2 Peter 3:4-7

[apexviper13]

I read these and thought I'd share them due to what they say.

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

According to these verses Earth already existed before the 6 days of creation. After reading these and other scriptures I'm guessing the verses that mention God creating earth are referring to creating the new earth after the previous one flooded with water perished.

[rameumptom]

Well, you could read it your way. However, I think Peter was referring to Noah's Flood where he states all was overflowed with water and perished. For the ancients, the number 1000 was the biggest number available. So 1000 years would have been a very long time.

After the Flood, there basically was a new Creation, as heaven and earth were changed by that great destruction (or seemed to have changed).

[JohnnyRudick]

I read these and thought I'd share them due to what they say.

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

According to these verses Earth already existed before the 6 days of creation. After reading these and other scriptures I'm guessing the verses that mention God creating earth are referring to creating the new earth after the previous one flooded with water perished.

I agree with you apexviper13, and with the rest of the Scriptures it is

very clear to me that the materials to build this present earth already existed.:)

[gruden]

I read these and thought I'd share them due to what they say.

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

According to these verses Earth already existed before the 6 days of creation. After reading these and other scriptures I'm guessing the verses that mention God creating earth are referring to creating the new earth after the previous one flooded with water perished.

Apex, when I looks at this scripture excerpt, what I read is not Peter talking about how the earth was created/reformed, but speaking to what kinds of attitudes people will have in the latter days and how it compares to the past.

In vv 3-4 he's talking about how people in the last days will scoff at the idea of Christ returning. In verse 4 he specifically says how people will say that the earth will continue on like it always has been and nothing will ever change (ie. Christ will never come again, life as we know it will just go on).

Then in vv 5-7 what Peter first does is remind them that the earth has in the past undergone very dramatic changes that upset the status quo, and likens the destruction by water (the Flood) to the fire that will engulf the earth during the second coming. He's basically contradicting this attitude by making the point that things have changed violently before and will change again in similar fashion. Things will not continue on as they seemingly have from humans' very limited perspective.

He then goes on in vv. 8-9 to make the point that what seems like a long time to us is a short time to the Lord, so we shouldn't mistake the passage of centuries without dramatic events for inattention by the Lord or that the events of the second Coming won't be fulfilled. He's saying what happened once will happen again, so watch it!

BTW, be sure to read the JST of these verses which make it a bit more clear.

[JohnnyRudick]

Apex, when I looks at this scripture excerpt, what I read is not Peter talking about how the earth was created/reformed, but speaking to what kinds of attitudes people will have in the latter days and how it compares to the past.

In vv 3-4 he's talking about how people in the last days will scoff at the idea of Christ returning. In verse 4 he specifically says how people will say that the earth will continue on like it always has been and nothing will ever change (ie. Christ will never come again, life as we know it will just go on).

Then in vv 5-7 what Peter first does is remind them that the earth has in the past undergone very dramatic changes that upset the status quo, and likens the destruction by water (the Flood) to the fire that will engulf the earth during the second coming. He's basically contradicting this attitude by making the point that things have changed violently before and will change again in similar fashion. Things will not continue on as they seemingly have from humans' very limited perspective.

He then goes on in vv. 8-9 to make the point that what seems like a long time to us is a short time to the Lord, so we shouldn't mistake the passage of centuries without dramatic events for inattention by the Lord or that the events of the second Coming won't be fulfilled. He's saying what happened once will happen again, so watch it!

BTW, be sure to read the JST of these verses which make it a bit more clear.

Yes, I always compare with the JST but I am not so sure that there is that much difference here.

And the reference to the Old World, I do not see where it is tied in that much to the flood of

Noah as much as it is tied into Gen 1: 1 through 8 referring to this earth and the waters around it in the heavens.

Verse 9 refers to the waters under the firmament/heavens.