Guest Starsky Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+Apr 21 2004, 01:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ Apr 21 2004, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Starsky@Apr 20 2004, 11:07 PM Is John the one who was given 'life' until the Savior came again? Is He still walking the earth? If so, wouldn't he take care of misconceptions and errors in the scriptures?If not....why not? I never heard that story...except the similar story in the BoM of the 3 Nephites.Where is it found in the Bible? THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TOST JOHNCHAPTER 2122 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.THE DOCTRINE AND COVENANTSSECTION 7Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Oliver Cowdery, at Harmony, Pennsylvania, April 1829, when they inquired through the Urim and Thummim as to whether John, the beloved disciple, tarried in the flesh or had died. The revelation is a translated version of the record made on parchment by John and hidden up by himself. HC 1: 35—36.1—3, John the Beloved shall live until the Lord comes; 4—8, Peter, James, and John hold gospel keys.1 AND the Lord said unto me: John, my beloved, what desirest thou? For if you shall ask what you will, it shall be granted unto you.2 And I said unto him: Lord, give unto me power over death, that I may live and bring souls unto thee.3 And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory, and shalt prophesy before nations, kindreds, tongues and people.4 And for this cause the Lord said unto Peter: If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? For he desired of me that he might bring asouls unto me, but thou desiredst that thou mightest speedily come unto me in my kingdom. Quote
Cal Posted April 24, 2004 Report Posted April 24, 2004 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+Apr 20 2004, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ Apr 20 2004, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--BYR@Apr 20 2004, 03:47 PM I believe you need to understand what they mean by the Gospel. Non-Mormon Christians believe we LDS preach another Gospel. In their opinion what they are talking about then is that because they believe in the Gospel that Jesus taught in the Bible, and since they say that we don't believe that Gospel, we are the other gospel that Paul is warning the Christians about.Not the actual books of the Bible. However, at the time of Paul's writings, there was only an oral tradition, perhaps Mark, and maybe "Q" (the theoretical document which Matthew and Luke may have used to write their gospels. So what was Paul's idea of the gospel?Correct me if I am wrong, but from what I remember: Mark, Q, and Paul do not mention most of the miracles, including a virgin birth, or a physical resurrection (although Paul mentions some kind of resurrection). Paul obviously believes that Jesus is divine, but is vague about the specifics.Paul speaks mostly of practical matters...morality....not of doctrine.Later we have "new gospels"...Matthew and Luke...who tell us of a virgin birth, physical resurrection, a clearer picture of who Jesus was. Then there is John who gave us all kinds of new doctrine, along with the revelations.What if Paul was telling the truth in Gal 1:6 ???Then, theoretically, we need to take Matthew, Luke and John (at the very least) out of the Bible, because they are false gospels!The consequence would be that we would need to study only Mark, Q and Paul to get the true Christian doctrine...and the result would be a very different Christianity than both the LDS and Evangelicals are familiar with! Tao--very perceptive analysis. In fact, you will also notice that Paul seems quite unfamiliar with the narative aspects of the gospels--especially the detail of Matthew and Luke, but even Mark. You would think that Paul might mention some things like special places, Golgotha, the trial... something to make us think that he was actually familiar with the historical Jesus that the gospels describe. It makes me think that Paul may have only been familiar with the Gospel of Q. (Jesus' teachings) and not with his history. BTW--the Book of Q is a concept developed by careful reading of the gospels. Careful analysis reveals that there is reason to believe that most of the teachings and philosophy of Jesus was recorded separately, before any narative history was done. Interestingly, the Q makes very little, if any, reference to Jesus as a King or savior. He calls himself the son of man, but never the son of God. Quote
Guest bizabra Posted April 29, 2004 Report Posted April 29, 2004 Originally posted by Starsky@Apr 20 2004, 11:07 PM Is John the one who was given 'life' until the Savior came again? Is He still walking the earth? If so, wouldn't he take care of misconceptions and errors in the scriptures?If not....why not? Yeah, him and the Three Mormons! heh heh hehOopa! Make that the Three Nephis! big laugh at my expense here, but I'll be the first to laugh! LOL What dreck! Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 29, 2004 Report Posted April 29, 2004 Originally posted by bizabra+Apr 29 2004, 09:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bizabra @ Apr 29 2004, 09:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Starsky@Apr 20 2004, 11:07 PM Is John the one who was given 'life' until the Savior came again? Is He still walking the earth? If so, wouldn't he take care of misconceptions and errors in the scriptures?If not....why not? Yeah, him and the Three Mormons! heh heh hehWhat dreck! ROLF...the three mormons...that really is intelligent...beings that they weren't called by a modern nick name 2000 years ago....LOL Quote
Cal Posted April 30, 2004 Report Posted April 30, 2004 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Apr 29 2004, 01:47 PM I feel sorry for the three Nephites...imagine having to live an immortal life and watch all the mortals around you grow old and die. Perhaps to marry women, and have children, and to watch them grow old and die, while you stay young. Its for the greater good, I suppose...preaching the gospel...but isn't that what the Church is doing now with its Missionary program? If I were an immortal Nephite, I would ask God to make me mortal again, considering the Church is growing without my help.By the way, if there were 3 immortal Nephites preaching the gospel, it would have been in the America's, right? Then how come there was no LDS church established among the natives when the Europeans arrived? Or did I miss something? I have some immortal ground hogs in my back lawn. No matter what I do to them they won't die! Quote
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