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I was thinking the same thing, with all of the cruelty that has gone on in the last 100 years, God was so angered, He decided that we were unworthy of us being His heirs. That, and there is only 11 million members, maybe half are inactive, and Greg Dodge is the most popular person in SLC, since he processes removing the names from that number of those of us who resign our membership.Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Mar 25 2005, 11:52 AM
Thanks for clarifying.
Did the Lord have anything to say about that little WW1 incident? Any advice for his children? And then there was the holocust. And the Lord said: "no comment".
I think He is very disappointed in us, and has refused to speak to us from now on.
I suspect this Plan of Salvation has been cancelled, because He doesn't consider us worthy to be his heirs.
Why?
a. Missionary work has only converted 11 million out of 6 Billion people in over 150 years. Maybe half of those are now inactive or dead.
b. The 20th Century has shown how savage his children really are.
c. As mentioned before, he stopped talking to his prophets 87 years ago.
Well there goes my chance to become a god. I'm gonna go get a cup of coffee.
Great signature, BTW
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Originally posted by Snow+Mar 26 2005, 04:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Mar 26 2005, 04:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--alpha_female@Mar 25 2005, 11:07 PM
I JUST HOPE FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S SAKE THAT NOBODY MOLESTED THEM! IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D BLAME THEM, OR NOT BELIEVE THEM WHICH IS THE WORST THING A PARENT CAN DO TO A CHILD WHO HAS BEEN MOLESTED!!!!!!
What on earth are you babbling about Bright Eyes?
Somehow you think this is about my children? I dying to hear how you figure that.
While you are busy ignoring that practically all if not absolutely all cases of recovered repressed memories of ritual abuse are bogus, perhaps you can tell us one good reason to believe Martha Beck? Just one?
I am a survivor of child molestation, I knew it was wrong even as a child, but there was a fear that I wouldn't be believed, especially when that witchhunt was going on in the 80's. For that reason, I put that trauma away for years until I started having body memories and flashbacks. I WAS NOT IN THERAPY AT THE TIME!! I did seek help, and my PTSD was so bad at one time that I had to use Paxil, but when I filed for divorce from an LDS Peter Priesthood, and ultimately resigned from your church, I was able to go off the drug. Today, I'm in a support group for other survivors and continue to get therapy. You know, I don't care if you believe her or not, but I AM TELLING THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH!!! I am a SURVIVOR!
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Shamelessly topping :)
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If this is the case, if any of the old presidents were to try and participate in the church today, they would be rejected because of their beards. Plus, if you look at most depictions of Christ, He has long hair and a beard, if He were to return, He'd be rejected for the same reason. Interestingly, in early Christian art, Christ is depicted as clean-shaven. It was only later that He ended up with looking like a hippie.
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Right on! Statistics actually show that the majority of pedophiles are respected, HETEROSEXUAL males. Most homosexuals out there aren't out to turn everyone gay, nor are they after your children. Only bigotry is.Originally posted by pushka@Mar 22 2005, 08:22 PM
In what way is soceity offering social rewards for children 'experimenting sexually'? How do you know that children are doing that anyway?...this is your assumption based upon your beliefs about homosexuality.
You really are beginning to sound very desperate over the issue of homosexuality, equating it first to child abuse and now to violence in movies...
Incidentally, I know someone who knew the family, and they were described to me as WIERDOS!! This person was only refering to Martha's dad as being the MAJOR WEIRDO out of all of them, plus her mom was so clinically depressed that she rarely came out of her room only to verbally abuse her children. Martha's the sanest of all of them.
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Same here, I only went to one LD$ church service on Easter, and all they talked about was Joe Smith, which left me feeling cheated, being a convert. By the following Easter, I had already resigned after an abusive marriage to a Peter Priesthood that I managed to escape from. Since resigning, I love going to any other church where they actually celebrates Christ's resurrection.Originally posted by curvette@Mar 20 2005, 12:47 PM
Ditto to Lindy. I think that however a person or family decides to celebrate Christ's resurrection is fine. I don't think there is anything wrong with participating in another religion's celebration if your own religion's services don't meet your spiritual needs.
I would also be annoyed about Fast Sunday being on Easter, because Easter to me is one of the 3 days of the year where you can get away with a large feast, Thanksgiving and Xmas being the others. After eating all day Sunday, including a nice breakfast at a restaurant, I'm hitting the gym on Monday and the rest of the week.
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I JUST HOPE FOR YOUR CHILDREN'S SAKE THAT NOBODY MOLESTED THEM! IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D BLAME THEM, OR NOT BELIEVE THEM WHICH IS THE WORST THING A PARENT CAN DO TO A CHILD WHO HAS BEEN MOLESTED!!!!!!Originally posted by Snow@Mar 15 2005, 07:44 PM
I would have been in the Nibley home, being babysat by Martha's older siblings during or approximately during the time of the alledged abuse - not that I have any personal knowledge about the abuse or lack of abuse but I do have a few thoughts about how flakey the whole thing is.
-Long history of mental illness and hospitalizations from her mental illness or rather the consequences of her mental illness.
-She gets married and it turns out that both she and her husband are homosexual, they divorce, they now have gay and lesbian lovers and she neglect to mention that in her book about her life - while not relevant to the alledged abuse, it indicates something about her credibility.
-If she is being honest now when she says that she has been an atheist since highschool, that makes her a liar in her previous books when she portrays herself and anything but an atheist... hey, whatever it takes to sell books.
-She claims, or rather implies, that the Church had goon squads out to get her ala the Danites. What would that be? Ninja Assasin Visiting Teachers?
-She claims, or rather paints the picture, that the Church bugged her phone. Was that before or after they assisted in the Watergate break-in?
-She has made numerous factual errors, errors that would have taken but a moment to check, unless of course the person making the errors wasn't making an error, but rather lying. An example would be that the BYU library purged any mention or record of her in there system. As I recall she said the same of Sonia Johnson.
-She claims that her father not only molested her, but that he rituallistically molested her. Uh-huh. How many of those kind of recovered memories turn out to be true? Practically none.
-Every single other person closest to the situation vehemently denies the molestation.
What I wonder is about the people that say, "...and I believe her." What possible basis could they have for saying they believe her. Do they know her personally and know her to be a very honest person? No (and she isn't - a fact well known to the Nibley family). Do they know the father personally and know him to be the type to dress up in ancient middle eastern garb and sexually molest little girls? No, they do not. I personally do not think so and I do have some minor basis for thinking so since I knew him at the time and was in their home. Do they know the family personally and know them to conspire together to lie about their home life in dishonest attempts to paint Martha as an emotionally disturbed soul? Er - no. In fact several of the family members are Martha supporters and fans but can't morally stand to see such an ill go unopposed.
What you really have - amoung those who say they believe the generally accepted absurd allegations - are people with an axe to grind, who are predisposed to believe something negative against the Church, even though this has nothing to do with the Church, but it is close enough that some mud may stick. Take Alpha for example. Alright with you Alpha? You are the one who labors under the impression that Under the Banner of Heaven representst true LDS history. Personally I doubt you know squat about true Mormon history but since you just make the allegation and refuse to support it i guess we will never know. Now you tell us that Martha's "recovered" memories are much like your own. Pray tell Alpha, did Dr. Nibley belong to the same Let's dress up like Abraham the Patriarch and Molest Little Girls Club that your molestor belonged to?
"Recovered memories" are notoriously unreliable. If Martha really were abused, that is terribly unfortunate. If Alpha were really abused, that too is unfortunate. But the track record of recovered memories, in the absence of corroborating evidence, is against it. Not only is there no corroborating evidence to support her allegations, there is ample evidence contradict it.
"It is not known how to distinguish, with complete accuracy, memories based on true events from those derived from other sources."
American Psychiatric Association, Statement on Memories of Sexual Abuse, 1993.
"The AMA considers recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse to be of uncertain authenticity, which should be subject to external verification."
American Medical Association, Council on Scientific Affairs, Memories of Childhood Sexual Abuse, 1994.
"The available scientific and clinical evidence does not allow accurate, inaccurate, and fabricated memories to be distinguished in the absence of independent corroboration."
Australian Psychological Society, Guidelines Relating to the Reporting of Recovered Memories, 1994.
"At present there are no scientifically valid criteria that would generally permit the reliable differentiation of true recovered memories of sexual abuse from pseudomemories."
Michigan Psychological Association, Recovered Memories of Sexual Abuse: MPA Position Paper, 1995.
"At this point it is impossible, without other corroborative evidence, to distinguish a true memory from a false one."
American Psychological Association, Questions and Answers about Memories of Childhood Abuse, 1995.
"Psychologists acknowledge that a definite conclusion that a memory is based on objective reality is not possible unless there is incontrovertible corroborating evidence."
Canadian Psychological Association, Position Statement on Adult Recovered Memories of Childhood Sexual Abuse, 1996.
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Oh, stuff like how Joe Smith married 14 year old girls, and BY had 55 wives. Basically polygamy that the fundies who committed the murders practiced because it was the original practice of your church.
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I just want to say that I just finished Martha Beck's new book "Leaving the Saints" and I really enjoyed it. I believe her story about being molested by her father, and even though it sounds like an ant-Mormon book, it really isn't. Her depiction of those flashbacks was very much like my own experiences about 4 years ago, and I was NOT in therapy when they came up. In fact, when I was molested by a male babysitter who was not Mormon, it was during the McMartin case and other witchhunts, so I kept quiet because I didn't think I'd be believed. I admire Ms Beck for her courage to tell her story, she will help other survivors like myself speak out against child sexual abuse.
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I just want to say that I loved Under the Banner of Heaven, it had a lot of interesting information about the fundamentalists, as well as the true history of the church. I strongly recommend you read it.
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Even though I'm female, I am an ordained minister. Hope you're not offended that a woman has this priesthood!
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There is no lesser sex, both males and females are created equal. I am a feminist, but I love men as long as they treat me as an equal, and not as a baby factory. Even though my body is female, I have the mind of a tough male, and am too alpha to become a submissive doormat to any husband, and I will never re-marry or have children!
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Technically, I'm an exmormon in that I filed for divorce from an emotionally abusive Mormon and resigned my membership. I do however, have Mormon friends and I'm not out to destroy the church even though I never believed any of it. As long as polygamy is not practiced, Mormons and other religious people have the right to practice their religion, and I will protect that right.
Anyone Thinking Of Leaving Utah By 2007?
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The key word is "knowingly".
Are we confident the government never makes mistakes?
What about when they tested the Atomic Bomb? I read that this caused cancer and other problems for lots of little Nevada and Utah kids.
Read this:
http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/sview/1,3329...50010204,00.htm
It is written in The Lord's newspaper so it must be true.
My ex-husband's dad lived for a time in Nevada, and eventually died of pancreatic cancer. The ex believes that the cancer was probably caused because he was one of those downwinders. Scary stuff, it makes me glad I live where I do in Southern California.