hordak
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The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: “When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the Gospel—you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil [died] before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 348).
This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. … He was once a man like us; … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345–46).
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I think evidence has come forth in the last 20 years that certain spiritual people have an actual genetic marker for spirituality. This marker is called a midi-chlorian, and can be measured in the blood with the appropriate equipment. Chinese scientist Qui Gon Jinn stated that he has found the equipment to be extremely reliable in detecting midi-chlorian markers in children. They vary in individuals from virtually non-existent to amounts that are large enough to determine that the child will undoubtedly grow up to be the next religious Billy Graham or Pope.
Of course there are studies that show that religious people tend to be happier, live longer, etc.
Church-goers tend to be happier, study says - Health - Behavior - msnbc.com
Actually midiclorians (as per George Lucas )is a microscopic life forms in all matter that the Jedi, and Sith are able to manipulate. This is what allows them to use the force.
The "God gene" is thought to be VMAT2,
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!st amendment protects the stuff others say, not just the stuff you like.
I'm sure i've told this story before but when i was in the service the war protesters were crowded around the gates at the base all the time. My supervise used to come in complaining about them, just gripping all morning long. I loved them. Not because i agreed with what they said, but because they were taking full advantage of the rights i signed up to protect.
So while i don't agree with what they say or how they say it, i'm glad they are protected, because it means we all are.
Plus this church thrives on publicity, the negative publicity gave a church of 71 members a worldwide voice.
I think the best action would be to ignore them.
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Odd - I'm happy to see nobody advocating that stupid show September Dawn from 2007. Terrible events like MMM deserve better treatment than the laughingly one-dimentional Flash Gordon vs. the Evil Emperor Ming deal this crapfest dumped on moviegoers.
Never seen september dawn. But will admit liking Flash Gordon in one of my guilty pleasures
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Um... no. The question is are you setting out to build a straw-man or are you that unfamiliar with the principles of evolution? Either way it kinda knocks the wind out of your sails. Tell me, would you take someone seriously who decided to lecture against basketball and started out talking about how handling the puck is the most ridiculous part of the game?
Edit: Note I'm not commenting on your conclusion. Not really up for a game of let's argue about evolution, but if you want to play you may want to touch up on the particulars or reconsider misrepresenting the opposing 'team'.
Wonder if OPs vies evolved, since it was 4 years ago:p
04-04-2007, 07:25 AM
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Total anecdotal evidence here but i heard a story once...
Missionaries at MTC were having a Q&A session with one of the 12 and one ask "What does it mean to blasphemy the holy ghost?" the response was "There is only one person in this room who needs to worry about it, and I don't plan on it"
Don't know if the story is true or not but it was said by Joseph Smith
After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it.
Seems you must have some great knowledge, to commit it. Didn't Peter deny Christ? If he was there with him, denied him for his own personal benefit, and was still able to pass on the Priesthood (D&C 27) i think someone questioning, millennial later in spite of having a baptism would not committing the unpardonable sin.
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You completely missed the point. Problem is you attributing the deeds of a few to an entire group. I have an anti catholic friend who does the same thing in light of some of the recent scandals. Also know some atheist/agnostics who do the same thing dropping name like Steven Hawking, or Richard Dawkins.
But you see the acts of a few, don't represent the group as a whole, whether they be good, or bad. You might call that "small minded" I call that logic.
Mormon is to Browning
as
Mormon is to Mark Hoffman.
Both got famous doing unusual things. But these thing don't represent the church.
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2 wrongs can make a right:evilsmile:
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All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents
Proclamation on family
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War does not equal patriotism. And John Browning represents "they" as much as Mark Hoffman, Butch Cassidy or Ted Bundy do.
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I would hesitate to say that the Brethren see it as unnatural. It as if you're saying they see it as a made-up condition. Being part of the ARP group locally, I can tell you that the Church see's it as a "congenital" condition, if you will. Another way that we are tested in this life. They are trying very hard to figure out how to go about addressing this issue. They really are sympathetic to those who suffer from this. But like every one of us who have some shortcoming that we have to fight against, those with SSA are required to live by the Gospel standards. I know people with SSA and they personally have a battle on their hands. But they accept this and are truly trying very hard to live by the standards set by Christ and the Gospel. I can't say they're happy about it, nor that it's any easier. But they're content in knowing that striving is what is required because they are able to frame it in the Gospel context.
I'm saying from a secular stand point it's hypocritical to accuse those who want to keep marriage between a man and a women, as discriminatory, while being perfectly fine with discriminating against polygamist/ polyandry because it's seen as unnatural.
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Also just as an after thought the wording of such definition could close a few possible loopholes. " marriage is defined as two of age consenting human adults of different bloodlines." closes a few of the loopholes.
Why is that closing loophole
But to add
marriage is defined as two of age opposite gender consenting human adults of different bloodlines.
Is Discrimination:huh:
defining marriage between 2 people, because you don't think it's natural to have more is no different then those who define it as man and woman because they see ssm as unnatural
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If you watch some of the Ad's from the church sponsored groups during prop 8, one of the main scare tactics they used was " and churches will be forced to marry these people." This hit hard with many mormons who took it as gays getting married in the temple and that was enough to block out any other thought from some of the ones i've talked to, some who would have voted no if not for that fear. From my understanding being prop 8 didn't do anything but define the definition of marriage the separate legislation was introduced to protect religious institutions in the event prop 8 failed to change the law. Listening to many christians talk about this topic they are very concerned that it will have to "defile" their churches and temple and yet in california they were offered that protection and seemed to ignore it because it was never brought up in any of the ad's that i've seen.
That is ridicules. I can't believe members of the church, who can refuse to marry a couple because one drinks tea, would fear being forced to wed gays in the temple.
Naturally the opposition wouldn't bring up the protection in their ads, I'm just suprized so many would actually think churches would be forced to to wed gays, given that religious groups are all ready exempt from changing their doctrine and practices to meet secular law.
When native Americans are taking peyote, when LDS an Catholics aren't including women in the priesthood, and when westboro baptist are picketing funerals of service members. I don't think we need to fear being forced into performing SSM.
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One thing that was left out of a lot of the adds during prop 8 was there was legislation in the works to protect religious institutions from being "forced" into carrying out these ceremonies and it was supported in large part by the homosexual community. I believe the support died after the vote and not sure it would be as supported if prop 8 gets over turned after the way the campaign was handled. The protection was offered and the people offering it got slapped pretty hard, good will doesn't seem to be something worth giving the other side any more. It's been a while since i read this so one might have to search to find it.
I would think it would be "built in" automatically. A Catholic church can't be forced to marry a non catholic to Jew (although religion is a protected class) likewise members of the church who don't follow the standards, drink tea, coffee ,not pay tithe, etc. Has no legal right to force the church into performing a wedding.
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Sounds to me like your mind is made up and you are looking for support. I'm going contradict what most will say and give you that support. I do not believe in being married for the kids. My wife and have taken a few marriage classes and seminars (an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure) and in every one, one of the main things emphasized is the importance of being Mr and Mrs, and not just mom and dad, which leads to problems in the best of marriage. If you and your husband are "strangers" living in the same home and have no love the kids will pick up on this and personal i see no difference between
Mom over here , dad over their, whether in the same home or separate homes.
My wife went though something like this as a youth, her mother spent 10 years with in a loveless marriage (on both sides) because he was a good provider, and she thought she was doing what was best for my wife. My wife could tell.
My folks on the other hand were married 30 some years, until my mother passed, and it wasn't that they were together in the same house, that gave me something to strive for in my future, but that they were together, emotionally and spiritually.
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actually I to find some bad with the good I have read in it. I am only interested in specific items and so far so good. I can just see you all trainers bashing anything and everything I think its funny to think of you all doing that . Personally I choose to find the good in everything and there is a lot of good in this book for me ... not for you no problem but for me I am choosing this journey eyes wide open not doing it because of what any famous Dr said. I happen to read ALOT and learn alot from many different sources. I have specific goals and am choosing this path to accelerate my progress so I can do more physically than I am able to now. Instead of bashing this and judging consider this as I do an experiment and lets see what good and bad happens. I am going to be brutally honest about what I eat and what exercise I do. I am doing it this way because this experiment appeals to me on many levels and accountability to you all is one of the pluses. SO day 2 was a success . on to day 3
That's good. The problem with this subject is they sell the sizzle and "lose 10 lbs a week eating what you want" sells better than "work out 3-5 days a week, count your calories for every meal and in 2 and a half months you can lose ten lbs"
But if you can separate the bs from stuff that works, then that is good
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This is from his 4 hour body book.
* How to prevent fat gain while bingeing (X-mas, holidays, weekends)
* How to increase fat-loss 300% with a few bags of ice
* How Tim gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days, without steroids, and in four hours of total gym time
* How to sleep 2 hours per day and feel fully rested
* How to produce 15-minute female orgasms
* How to triple testosterone and double sperm count
* How to go from running 5 kilometers to 50 kilometers in 12 weeks
* How to reverse “permanent” injuries
* How to add 150+ pounds to your lifts in 6 months
* How to pay for a beach vacation with one hospital visit
needless to say if his diet claims are as preposterous i would avoid it like the plague.
We were just trashi... discussing that book on a personal training forum
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Came in here expecting a discussion on careers .
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Do you not believe in Allah of the Koran because you want to eat pork, not pray 5 times a day, not make a pilgrimage to Mecca and be clean shaven.
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Do you eat pork, not pray 5 times a day, not make a pilgrimage to Mecca and are clean shaven because you do not believe in Allah in the Koran.
Why would it be different for atheist?
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It's funny when people think of calling they think they are inspired. But only to actually take on and complete the calling.
I know a person who was called to teach. After about 4 months they resigned.
Some people saw this as wrong, "the calling was inspired for you to grow, how could you quit" what the missed was the fact the person did grow.
They were considering a teaching career, (this showed them it was not the right path) and they had a problem with admitting when something was too much, couldn't let others down.
Reviving a calling that was too much, having to quit, and risk disappointing an authority figure, was a greater learning/growing experience for the individual than, doing the calling, because it was expected would have ever been.
The calling may have been inspired to help you grow and learn, but that doesn't mean you can only grow by completing it.
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Certainly; but this girl was not excommunicated. It was the underlying behavior (and an unhealthy dose of outright sexism), not the nature of the Church discipline, that caused the opprobrium.
Think i'm reading you right. The actions (taken freely) and the sexism cause the problems, not the church's discipline.
However i think if people's judgment/ views can be so wrong, even when there is not such a strict discipline,(she wasn't exed) then it would only be harsher when faced with someone who was exed.
That is NOT to say the church shouldn't excommunicate people, when warranted, to prevent the negative consequences from the members.
But just to point out that there is a certain attitude carried by some members in the church that does lead them to abandon sinners.As illustrated in your example.
So with THE church... Excommunication (or sin) ≠ abandonment.
unfortunately with some member it does.
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1. Excommunication ≠ abandonment.
this is absolute baloney, excommunication does result in shunning by former friends and family members. It isn't the right thing to do but it definitely happens especially in utah.
Think i'm going to agree with LDSguy on this on given your former example JAG
she did. But here's the funny thing: he got to go do the mission and ultimately came home "with honor", and his role in the shabby little affair was forgotten. she was never regarded as anything other than the little skank who almost kept elder so-and-so off his mission, until the day she quit coming to church altogether--then she was forgotten entirely.
The current policy is better, i think.
The church might not abandon, but members of the ward are perfect content to, or worse, as you illustrated above.
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Just to add teaching them BoM doctrine wouldn't make them Mormon (as in LDS Church headed by Thomas Monson)
There are other church who believe in the BoM, i've even heard about a baptist minister who believe in it.
Baptist Preacher Believes in Book of Mormon Grace for Grace
Doesn't make him/ them LDS
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Hey Pam
Yes, the financial pressure can be unreal for parents.
Kids used to just gather together to camp, play ball, and simply have fun together for free (or maybe a trade of a baseball card or two). Now there are leagues, registrations, schedules, and fees through the roof. You'd think other parents would understand such things.
It makes my heart go out to all the families who don't show up in the first place because of financial pressures. It's the pits to hear that costs drained the joy out of what could've been a lot of fun for you and your family.
Yep. They wanted $130 ($100 registration, $30 worth of fundraiser ticket to be sold "by the player"
) for my son to play T-Ball twice a week. In kindergarten 
When i was a kid we played sports for free with the neighborhood kids and actual team play
didn't kick in until 10 or 12.
Westboro Baptist Church misses funeral
in Current Events
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I think it's a shame. Solders die to protect the freedoms and rights of the US Constitution, which include Free speech and assembly and the towns people dishonor the same freedoms these members died for because they don't like what this church has to say.
Families don't have the right to a funeral without interruption. Per the US Supreme Court.
interpretation of the US constitution that these service members signed up to protect.
Is what they say and do good, true or right? No i don't think so.
But it is a greater dishonor to ignore the rights that people put their life on the line for and died for simply because we don't agree with what others say.
It kind of reminds me of the anti semites who hate the Jews because "they killed Jesus". They are completely missing the point of the Crusifiction and his life.