martybess

Do you think we can see Christ's face in this life without the temple? Not arguing or disagreeing, just asking? At this point I'm still thinking to know Christ we need the temples which are brought fourth by Prophets, thus I see the teaching point of view that without prophets we can't know Christ.

Do you not think that this might only apply in a curtain way like I'm trying to cover my sins as a hypocrite? If we are truly trying and testify but say I'm a sinner our words may stand to help us. If I stand in testimony meeting and testify but in fact I'm covering a gregarious thing like an addiction to pornography then I condemn myself if I have not confessed to my Bishop.

Do you not believe there are ppl walking the earth that haven't had their second anointing? I bare witness that there are those who have already had this anointing and are sealed unto Christ and everlasting life, though it is rare.

The House of Israel Are God's Covenant People. Gospel Principles Chapter 42: The Gathering of the House of Israel

We need temples and the endowment to know Christ (we are taught that there), thus I see where he was coming from.

Allot of members start to cry while sharing something and I often wonder is this just their emotions or is the HG causing their hearts to swell with the love of God, even nonmembers feel this at times. This I believe is the burning that is talked about but I'm just guessing really. It's just that it does happen for most at some point. I will say on 2 separate occasions I can with total honesty say I have felt this burning. I got up one night in my early 20's went into another room knelt down and poured out my soul for hours. As has been mentioned and as Enos states it takes work, but then again some do put in the effort and work and receive nothing but frustration. Even president McKay states one day he got off his horse prayed for the longest time and nothing. It wasn't until years later he came to understand he knew the church was true. Anyway on these two occasions the spirit hit me with such force I could hear it, yes like rushing wind or water and it hit me with great force. It also came from within me and got stronger and stronger and engulfed me totally, almost like a cloud but it wasn't really anything that could be seen, weird huh. I know it sounds totally like I'm making it up. It was so strong it frighten me and I asked for it to stop. I've wondered what I would of received if my faith would have been strong enough. My ears rang for hours afterwards, it was powerful! I will say that night was far from over as the advisory came in a show of force as well. Didn't see anything, no voices or anything but strange enough I heard the sound of a marching band coming down the hallway playing this horrendous sound. I prayed and prayed for it to go away only for it to start all over again just as I would fall asleep. Strangest night of my life. I'm not clairvoyant and anything like that. I have no idea why this all happen to me. That being said I can say with total certainty the gospel is true. If an angle came to me I would not feel anymore sure, sight is not as powerful as the spirit I testify to that.

I think it be done like: Dear HF, in the name of JC we come before thee say your prayer and then, amen.

To me my formal prayer like in public is almost like an ordinance. Think of the temple or giving a blessing. We state we are acting in his name and under his direction. My personal prayer is much different.

Sorry I get stuck on things. Any feelings on whether this is the Father or the Son? And being thus overcome with the Spirit, he was carried away in a vision, even that he saw the heavens open, and he thought he saw God sitting upon his throne, surrounded with numberless concourses of angels in the attitude of singing and praising their God. 1 Nephi 1:8 Yea, methought I saw, even as our father Lehi saw, God sitting upon his throne, surrounded with numberless concourses of angels, in the attitude of singing and praising their God; yea, and my soul did long to be there. Alma 36:22

I'm sure the topic of the churches website the"Mormon Channel" has been brought up but I would like to give a shout out to the "Mormon Identity" program. Robert Millet hosted the first 35 programs and I enjoyed listening to them. Atonement - Part 2 - Episode 28 | Mormon Channel

1Ne.1:2-3,7-10 Hmmmmm, Lehi? I know, I know, it's getting like who really cares. LOL..... Hard to say on this scripture because he doesn't say he saw both together. LOL

(I read 3 times from this) Joseph Smith - (First Vision) Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon - D&C 76:20-23 (They hear his voice bearing record of the Son as well as seeing him) Stephen Acts 7:56 – (See’s the Son on the right hand of God) Thanks.

Should I suggest how many after the fall of man? That was one of the stipulations for partaking of the forbidden fruit. Man was shut out from Gods presence. I'm not trying to make this into a big deal or anything. I'm giving lesson 4 from the priesthood handbook Sunday and thought I would address the first vision somewhat.

Yes I have heard that as well. I wonder who said that statement? Reason I ask is I can only find one account in canon where God talks to man and that's Joseph Smith. Stephen saw God. Act 7:56.

I was wondering about this. Thanks.