I hate to "butt" in here but you snow are one nasty person and if you are a fellow latter day saint you are a poor one to be attacking people with such obvious pride motivated insults. In fact you give me a bad nonspiritual feeling while your perceived enemy does just the opposite. You remind me of those mentioned Helaman 3:33 And in the fifty and first year of the reign of the judges there was peace also, save it were the pride which began to enter into the church -- not into the church of God, but into the hearts of the people who professed to belong to the church of God. Seems to me clear as day that Mr. Bob is telling the truth and you look like you cannot stand hearing anything even remotely associated with the truth.