Dawnforge
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If you are referring to Joseph Smith, no he did not. These Spanish stories were not easily available in the USA until long after. Even today, most people are unaware of such books.
Just because you think it wasn't easily accessible doesn't mean he didn't have access to them. He certainly did. That's besides the point. There are dozens of solstice myths just like this one. Discussing this topic on length only shows how derivative it is.
BTW, Incans ARE Native Americans. Perhaps you need to rethink some of your statements and demands?
Of course they are native americans, but Incans and Mayans do not refer to themselves as native americans and that's the difference. You're arguing semantics. Please refrain from this kind of thing so we can keep it civilized.
Once again, history is sloppy. So you can find historians and archaeologists that will authenticate, reject and/or ignore such evidences.
I have only reasonable expectations for the validity of the historical accounts, not absolute efficacy. Of course historical accounts will be skewed, that's fine. I want something that isn't biased beyond recognition and has an original/contemporary source. This is not unreasonable.
Regardless of whether scholars think nephites were in central america or not is not the point. My girlfriend and the missionary specifically mentioned the hopi indians. That is what I'm looking for and this is why I'm here. If there is no reference for it then so be it. I will close my inquiry about the hopi and focus on the next question: are there any america artifacts left over by the nephites and the laminates? If so, where can I see them? I've done some research and haven't found much. If there's anything I've learned since I've been here it's that the people on this site have access to some obscure and interesting material not readily available on the web.
Also, thank you for the links :)
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You didn't check out the link? I checked the link and it works. Anyway, here's the portion of the link that directly ties in:
My mistake. I was confused because the words "days" isn't used and it's so similar to pagan winter soltice accounts.
Did you notice Viraocha isn't mentioned until the end of the article in the second paragraph? I wonder who the first guy was?
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This story easily seems to tie directly to the Book of Mormon, which the writer would not have had access to.
The writer of the book of mormon had access to this material. I'm interested in native american accounts, not incan; for obvious reasons.
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Incan - Life, the Universe, and Etcetera
I did some research on this and found the authors either non-existent or biased. Pedro Sarmiento "...hoped such a history would justify Spanish colonization by revealing the violent history of the Incas" - and claims that the Incan's are from the lost ciilization of Atlantis. I and anyone else reading this should take these europian accounts with a shaker of salt.
Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I was wondering if anyone had access to pre-europian native american accounts, seeing as how there is hardly any history of Mayan origin.
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Not sure about the Hopi Indians, but on my website you will find the story of Viracocha, the great white God, visiting after several days of darkness.
Incan - Life, the Universe, and Etcetera
BTW, most LDS scholars agree that the Michigan Plates are forgeries. For some reason, Ancient American magazine keeps trying to throw bad science after some good science. It ends up making all their claims look bad, even the decent ones.
Thank you very much. I will look into this.
I'm confused. Where is the incan/indian story of a great white god appearing after several days of darkness.?
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I like this website, it has a lot of info, and maybe some answers to what you are looking for:
Mormon Truth and Book of Mormon Evidences: Not Proof, But Indications of Plausibility
sweeeet. thanks!
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Then what was passed from one chief to the next was not given. My wife is part related due to her grandmother was native american.
Just because someone finds something horrible doesn't mean someone else will.
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This article doesn't specifically mention the Hopi tribe but does show some interesting things. It also mentions the Mormon Church frequently in the article.
Awesome! Thank you very much. I really appreciate your research.
I did some more research on my own and it appears the artifacts are forgeries.
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If you wish to find out if the Hopi's and the Book of Mormon is true, mention the names of the twelve [cited in 3rd Nephi] to a chief and watch the horror expression of using such in his presence.
I'm not really sure what you mean by this. I'm native american and related to our tribal representative. Talking about the book of mormon or the names within will not invoke an expression of horror in him, or any of us.
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... and made changes to erase what was. No difference between the Chinese emperors and Egyptians Pharaohs who seek the same in removing the previous hated rulers or people.
I'm not here for conjecture.
I've been searching and so far I come up empty handed or run into mass criticism. She told me that an actual hopi indian told the mormon's about the jesus visiting his tribe. Again, does anyone have any information outside the book of mormon confirming this?
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My girlfriend and I were talking about jesus coming to america and how the hopi indians were visited by a "white bearded man" who was jesus. Does anyone have a reference to this outside of the book of mormon?
She also told me there was a great war in america and some artifacts were recovered. Can anyone point me to that information?
this is NOT a troll.
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Thank you. This is exactly what I needed to know. Goodbye.
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However, for someone of the LDS faith who would want to reach the ultimate goal and that is the highest degree in the Celestial Kingdom, she would need to be married in the temple. Unfortunately that is not something she would be able to do marrying a non Mormon?
Can anyone verify this with documentation? I need to know if this is really true.
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well some things are going to be hard for your relationship. but not impossible. could be possible that she thinks that. religion is a delicate thing. the best thing to do is to help her go back to church because she wants to. also find out about as much of the church as you can. even if you dont join you will know more about her religious background and will be able to help her make decisions based on that. by find out as much as possible, read about it from LDS.org. i know you might not agree with everything we believe but it will help you understand our beliefs and, again, help your girlfriend with her wishes.
welcome. this place is great for advice. cheers.
Thank you.
I've encouraged her to go back to church and even offered to come but she says she's not ready yet. I know eventually she will be; and when she does I'm afraid she might start thinking differently of me.
I don't want to lose her, but I also don't want to fall desperately in love with her; and not be able to give her what she really wants. I'm also afraid if we stay together she will resent me for holding her back.
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Welcome, Mr. Forge! What does it mean to your relationship? It means, she's Mormon and you're not.
Make sure both of you respect each other's beliefs and you should be just fine.
If you want to learn more about LDS, you got the perfect person there to ask - she used to be a missionary, so she knows exactly how to answer your questions as a curious non-member. Just make sure she understands the reason why you are asking.
What do you need to know? You need to know how your girlfriend ticks - what she likes, what she doesn't like, what makes her happy, what makes her sad, what she found in you that made her choose you, that kind of stuff. Oh, and she probably doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't drink coffee nor tea, and will probably have some visiting teachers coming to visit every month.
What you should do, is relax and enjoy the ride! :)
You can post questions here or you can PM me. I won't promise you that I have all the answers. But, I just might be able to point you to somebody who can...
I will articulate. What does this mean for our long term relationship? Can she get married to me? Can we have children? Will she be able to do those things and still as happy as if she married a Mormon guy? By staying with me will she have to make a great sacrifice?
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But my girlfriend is.
What does this mean for our relationship? She acts like something is wrong whenever I bring it up. Does she not know enough to answer my questions? Does she think if she tells me more that I might get scared and run away?
She was raised LDS and went on a mission. She stopped going to church but wants to go back. What do I need to know? What should I do?
Eternity...?
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if you're an omnipotent being you can just switch your brain to "eternal bliss" mode when you get bored. Problem solved.