soulman200973
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Your line of reasoning is faulty and perhaps denotes knowledge gaps in terms of the bible, the dealings of God with men and the purpose of prophets and scripture.
Men are the ones that teist and change the meaning of scriptures. It is man who corrupted the ordinance and the meaning thereof. God sends prophets to point to the right way in addition to the existing scripture. So, then as it is now it the prophet and not scripture who can testify and point mankind to the right way of and to God. When God speaks there is argument or confusion about what HE says. In time, it is man that loses his way. The notion of "subject to interpretation" is a modern excuse to pervert the word of God into a man-made concept leading tot he current chaos out there.
Those who heed to the word of the prophet wil not be confused.
The reasoning is sound if one uses the Holy ghost as the testifier of truth tho I doubt many do anymore and just rely on the prophet as gospel and do not get a witness of the Holy Ghost of even study it out in thier simple minds and ask if it be right and see if the bosoom burns or they can not remember what they asked.
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All scripture is open to private interpretation is my personal belief and to add, I'm going to assume that the Bible is open to interpretation, therefore, meaning no including LDS with prophets group/church in particular has the absolute correct message or path to righteousness and, inversely, all churches are subject to falling short of the Bible's actual message and unable to guarantee a pass to heaven
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Reference?
1 corinthians 23:29 Taken from LDS .org 1 Corinthians 11
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took abread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in aremembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this abread, and drink this cup, ye do bshew the Lord’s cdeath till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this abread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh bdamnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
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While it's clear that the purpose of the Sacrament is to renew baptismal covenants, I'd be interested in knowing what body of knowledge justifies denying our children the Sacrament. In addition to this, I'd be curious to know the body of knowledge that justifies denying our children the Sacrament when we don't deny complete strangers the Sacrament.
Let each person examine themselves before taking the sacrament.
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Along these same lines if we have our own worlds(JS King Follett Discourse) then do we still have the one Savior universally? If so then in our supposed worlds will there be a vision of the one atonement ora completely new one?
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Because my beliefs are not mormon and I do not want that confused by this man to assume that they are as it will create more confusion by others as he is a stake high councilman and has influence over many.I'm sure the bishop meant that they don't want people to remain in the church just because they want their tithing money. When someone leaves the church, we're not thinking, "Oh noooooo ..... There goes $7000 a year!"That was the response from members and bishop and the reality is the money has been replaced by new baptised tithe paying members by now as I have stated previously. I have let this go totally Also, somewhere there is a person who left the church just like you, only they are complaining about the uncharitable Mormons not checking on them. I've seen that complaint too. This is not my issue obviously I like mormons most generally and there are just a few annoying ones as stated previously my problems with LDS are doctrinal and have been emailed to HQ in SLC with no response so I left it at that( if you are curious its in my personal beliefs in profile you can check that as stated previously but I will only comment via email on them not in postings) We're danged if we do, danged if we don't. Actually I will restate I like mormons and have many friends of this faith and we get along famously lots of laughs and good times. What does your neighbor want from you anyway?Mostly personal info like finances as I have managed very well as he asks about this ever time we meet on the street and I will not give that out. Besides having an opinion that you're still Mormon, what's so bothersome about them?
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I was told to take these kind of issues to the bishop by the bishop which I have doneI would think that if the spouse is an active member she wasn’t happy to hear her celestial marriage was over with. ( she has cancer too!)IMOP, even if she did say she was okay with the temple marriage being over with, the sisters she talks with got a totally different story. She talks to no one they gossip about things that is for sure
It would seem there are a lot of unresolved issues here, but I have to wonder what intent or goal could be achieved by posting musings of active LDS member on an LDS forum? I’m certain the neighbor is only trying his best.If you insist I think he is just a nosey person If I don’t want to talk to my neighbors (and often times I really don’t) then I will simply give a polite hello as I’m walking to my car..Tried this on this conversation and he kept tring to engage in the conversation and ask about my not coming to church and why not and I explained I was no longer a member of LDS faith. I find the best solution to not talking to my neighbor is – not talking to my neighbor.I will not respond in anyway at all now though that isnt really civil behavior to me.
I don’t see how anyone is trying to change facts; however, this is a mostly religious forum with wide user and culture base. I know that when I make a post here I can expect someone to agree and disagree with me. As do I but I really wanted answers to deal with this guy and the best place is to ask mormons to do this right and not cause a big to do in my nieghborhood as those here have not repected my change of belief very well I was reaching outside this tight group to another to see if they were even more enlightened
Without having been in the same room as you and your bishop it’s hard to make a judgment on what he said in regards to the tithing.True but I am stating what happened. Nevertheless, having talked to several church leaders I doubt he worded it as, “it means nothing to me.” I believe the bishop was right in his assertion that the church will move forward. I have to agree with others that the service will be missed the most.
With an end note (and much like your neighbor to your dismay) I would have to say I hope you change your mind. I also acknowledge and respect free agency. Perhaps the best course of action is to tell your neighbor how you really feel and leave it at that.
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I would agree spirits are around us both good and evil(I have tried Oija board pre LDS days and can testify of it) however since I left LDS (honorable resignation no excommunication)I still keep away from these boards.Visibility is not a function of the thinness of the veil, but rather the properties of the physical matter to reflect and refract the rainbow color spectrum of electromagnetic radiation.
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I'm hoping other will reply, because my understanding of things is well MY understanding and I got a long way to go;)
I'll take number one. Dinosaurs. Animals were created on the 5th day, man the 6th. So, dinosaurs would have been created before man. Did they live at the same time? Well, I do believe the earth and it's inhabitants were created in 6 days, but I have no idea what a day is for God. Could there have been millions of years as we understand them between day 5 and 6? Maybe.
An other idea that is kind of out there but kind of fun is that dinosaurs never even lived on this earth. That when the earth was created, matter from the universe was gathered. Some of that matter may have been from old planets where dinosaurs had lived. SO, we get the fossils in our earths matter, without them having been alive here.
I have a hard time invisioning Dinosaurs in the garden of Eden, though, then again... maybe...
If a day in the Lord is 10000 years this timeline is messed up for the metsosoic era and times of the dinosaur which is why I dislike trying to define the timeline of things but I keep the faith and the glass is still half full.
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Yes there was a ban against blacks receiving the priesthood.
Yes women are banned, as are non-members and argonauts.
ban: To prohibit, especially by official decree:
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yes but when I was a member in a BYU ward the bread was stale and the water was awful!
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Personally, I chose not to remove my name because I don't want to create more tension between my parents and I over the religion issue than there already is. I've received very little contact from the Church over the last few years, and I've always been very cordial on the rare occasions that I have been contacted.
I actually agree 100% with what you're saying, so some extent. If being contacted by the Church bothers someone, said person should get his/her name removed from the records. I think most people fail to do it because they think it's an unreasonable process to have to go through just to be left alone (and to be honest, I'm inclined to agree). Think about it, what other Church will continue to keep tabs on you years after you've stopped attending? I know some evangelical denominations like to look after their bretheren and sisteren, but they eventually lose track of the lost sheep because their records aren't as thorough as the LDS Church's. It's somewhat unfortunate that there's so much paperwork and interviews involved in being removed from the Church records, but I can honestly say that I'd do it in a heartbeat if I ever felt that the Church was being too intrusive.
A 10 minute interview for me no such inquisition here. Like I said I resigned and was not excommunicated.Lets not change the facts as they exist, I have all the documentation and witnesses to back this up,lets not rewrite the history to satisfy our ego guys come on. I was a RM and left the church after 24 years and temple marraige(still married civil wise just the temple marraige is over obviously) because my beliefs changed end of story.
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No Idea! It takes all of 3 weeks to headquarters and I did not even state my reasons why in my letter . I can see why this is wasted time for those in the church. Unless the church wants those unbelievers on record or that individual thinks the spirit that posesses them in this life will magically change in the next.Since threads on this board never go off on tangents (/sarcasm), I have a question. Why do people who no longer believe in the LDS faith not remove their name?
Here's my problem. I get assigned a person for VT, the bishop has responsibility for the temporal and spiritual welfare of an individual and relies on my stewardship to help him with this. I find out that a person wants no contact from the church. But they refuse to take their name off the records. If your name is on the record, you will receive contact. We try our best to honor the no contact, but there is no official way to mark a record "no contact"--so it's by word of mouth. If that gets lost or whatever, then you've got an angry person "I've told you people over and over to not contact me!"
So, we've angered someone and I can't fulfill my stewardship. I don't feel guilty at all (because I'm not allowed to fulfill my stewardship), but I feel something...not sure what to call it. I feel "what if I didn't do enough? Should I just try to contact that person? Just be their friend? No spiritual message or anything...just make sure they are ok, do things to help them, etc."
So, help me out. Why does one not remove his/her name from the records and then get angry when they get contacted?
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Hilarious but I would be respectfulProblem solved. You just have a nosy neighbor. My personal advice is to act like some sort of barn animal when he tries talking to you. Horse, cow, chicken, doesn't matter which.
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That was my initial thoughts but need the ex-bishop to intevene so the guy might actually think about the situation.Sorry your neighbor is a pain. There are pains in the butt in all religions, all walks of life, we're not that special.
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very diplomatic and appropriate response you get an A.Well, I must say, this situation most certainly is not unique to mormons. When folks have strong and deep opinions about religion (and politics and race and jobs, for that matter), it can pain them when someone they care about switches to 'another side'.
Consider the neighbor who won't accept it that you went from Democrat to Republican. Or athiest to evangelical. Or turned your back on the community's lifeblood of coal mine work and went to college. Or bought a foreign car. Or married someone he disapproves of.
Yeah, your neighbor needs to accept reality. But he's struggling because he's a fallible human with human weaknesses, not because he's mormon.
No, we really don't care about missing out on your tithing. If you made a difference with your service, I'm sure it will be missed though.
Hope whatever you've found is working for you.
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Did you resign your membership, ask to not be contacted, or just stop attending? That could affect your neighbor's behavior.
Resign no contact except I take my son to scouts.. I had to do this the hometeachers kept visiting me as a non-member!
Perhaps because they don't have the gift of know-it-all-ism. No one does! But the nieghbor can listen when I speak!
They say it means nothing to them? Really? The bishop told you that your tithing means nothing? I find that hard to believe. Thats what was said!
Well, you were LDS. Perhaps you remember that it's a very missionary oriented Church, and the that the three-fold mission of the Church also includes perfecting the Saints. Not an excuse for this disrespect of my time and beliefs sorry wing nut.
Most LDS consider it a pathway to exaltation, and are saddened when someone leaves that path, especially if it's someone they care about. That is furthest from the truth this nieghbor is nosey and wants to know what I am doing to financially prepare for my retirement as well!
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
Again, we are a missionary-oriented Church. While the AoF does state the argument you present, it doesn't mean that we don't try to share. You could share with me if I permit this but I resigned that really says it all.
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I left the church 15 months ago. Over this time a nieghbor who converted into lds within the last 7 years on stake high council insists I am still a member. Told my ex bishop to tell this incessant nieghbor that my leaving is official and that my beliefs do not even resemble LDS currently(look under personal beliefs in my profile). I am dumfounded as to why someone with all these special gifts of Holy Ghost,Priesthood calling and office and intelligence does not get it? Yes the church now looses $7000.00/ year of my take home pay(they say it means nothing to them) and my service in that organization. I am sure by now I have been replaced by hundreds of people paying tithes and offerings and doing service for the LDS. I have moved on why is it hard for others to do so? LDS was a pathway to something else, and does not an article of faith state we are all allowed to worship as we please if we are or are not of the LDS faith?:)
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Yes I also find the writings eye opening as a ex mormon who resigned for doctrinal reasons and things not in agreement with my personal beliefs currently. And while I have agreed to not post anything derogatory against the lds church on the site I have enjoyed Tolles clarity on organized religion and can see the effect this had on me while I was LDS and desired a change from that pathway so currently I have been operating somewhat indepedently from any organized religion. And I do understand the path some of the intraspective (self -evaluating) comments left on this thread like skinnymomma and others.:)
Should we take away our 19-year-old's phone and car?
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I agree you make time as a parent for children when they are younger and it pays off later as they raise thier own children(grandchildren). And this next set of statements address the previous postings generally.. But to say that teenagers or young adults will not make choices inspite of religious training is very foolish. They do and will make choices and we as parents can not stop them only love advise and council but eventually.. as my parents would say" you make your bed and you lay in it ..meaning we are responsible for our own choices. Parents may take the resposibility away for a time by paying the cell phone bills or college but eventually when the parents stop or die or the trust fund runs out the buck stops here. This is the natural consequence and can not be stopped by bishops,parents,grandparents and even God himself seldom intervenes with natural events of our lives as this life is still a test for teenagers and young adults no matter how different the world is today.