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Totally! That is sooooo true!

I don't think I said wait till 18, I said wait for University. If you are 16 or 17 by then, good for you.You are 12 years old. That is why you have to break up! there is now a 92% chance the both of you will have sex(not with each other, just someone) before graduation. At 13-89%, 14-65%, 15-58%, 16-18%*. Notice the gap between 15 and 16. Also, for those kids who started at 16 and somehow managed to have sex in less than 2 years, it is possible they went on "kind of dates" before 16. When you say, "I am only 12", you do realize you just told Satan, "c'mon man let's see what you got! I can take it." You shouldn't be trying to tempt the devil, that is his job.

Who bloody cares if you hurt her feelings! You are 12! My advice for all of you. Go see the movie About A Boy (just the first 20 minutes).

So you didn't have a girlfriend in high school and therefore this made you want to die? Ok here is my insensitive comment....You didn't think much of yourself. Having a girlfriend is not where your happiness is based on. You are only happy when you serve others. You just wanted to serve yourself and you were really unhappy.

Plus I have a thoery that most docotrs (mormon ones) have God-Complexes. They think that they are an expert in not just medicine, but economics, business, political science, law... "Actually the word is spelled this way... after all I am a doctor!"

I wish the family would have left me alone. And about the dating part... I didn't like -getting set up -going out with a girl that I really didn't want to but she asked me and I thought I should because if I don't another girl I might have interst in will find out I woudn't give a geek a chance and therefore make me out to be an insensitive bastage. -the girls who wanted to cuddle on the couch durring movies (I mean, get real, there are 20 kids in this apartment and you want to cuddle? Why stop at just cuddling? Why not make out infront of everyone? Goodness knows we have all seen Wedding Singer 10 times already.) -Girls who lie to the relief society that you said you would call and you didn't (this is a half truth, i didn't call, but I never said that I was going to either!)

Should you break up? IS this one of those we are going out and a week later you are not and during that entire week all you two did was wave at each other? That doesn't count. But anyway... Yes break up with her. And if she is LDS, she will understand. First off, are you interest in scouts? Do you know where you want to go to Univ? Are girls going to hinder your grades? Also, I think dating in High School is a waste of time. Wait till University. Do not date under the age of 18. I don't care if it is waht all the popular kids do. Oh and when you break up with her, just tell her "We need to hang out with Jimmy, Brooke, Blake, Cari and Alisha this weekend. We can all go to Alisha's house, because her parents are rich and have tons of food." And make sure Alisha's parents are home. Also, are you going to play any sports? How are you going to have time to go to practice and do homework and pay attention to some needy 16 year old girl? I tried it once my senior year, it was stupid. She wouldn't stop calling me. Anyway, my relationships lasted a toal of 19 days (all together) and I was glad. I went on a mission and never had problems where I felt guilty for all the immoral things I did even though I had told my Bishop and waited a year to go ( that was about half my companions... hoopefully they will stop letting the kids who have sex go on amission, or the kids who do and repent will quit feeling like they have to tell their companions about all of it. I just didn't want to know that stuff ya know?). Anyway... Life will turn out really well if you don't date all through high school.

He isn't lazy, he is just channeling his energy in the wrong direction. Just say, "if you could do well at your job like you do well at vegitating on the couch, you would be promoted twice by next year" Then try to sell your tv or give it to the di

Well put. This is what Kevin was saying earlier, but unfortunately, Jenda had to rush in and say that there is no reason to be super careful Well I say be very careful and I am glad you agree. So he is your fiance now? Or you two are married?

So...........What happens with the ressurection? I won't be seeing this moviefor a while, On Wednseday I decided to give up rated R movies for 40 days (jk, I gave them up a few years ago). Anyway, I won't be seeing the movie, so explain everything.

When I was there I was always seeing doctors who were LDS. I would have loved to have one that wasn't. I saw an LDS doctor who was a real jerk. I noticed he was wearing a Philmont belt buckle. So I said, " Hey did you go to Philmont with the bot scouts?" He looked offended and said, "No I went for a meeting with 'other' members of Stake Presidencies in our region." I was just trying to be nice and he was just jerky.

Most doctors prescribe it too much. That is somehting that happens nationwide. But it is too bad that most doctors in Utah are Mormon and act no different than the national average.

No cost of living is awful compared to wages.Actually income is low among college grads and masters/doctorate grads. Utah has a huge concentration of these folks and no jobs to help these folks. Bankruptcy happens at all ages in Utah. Not just young couples, couples in their 40's. Utah is like Tempe (a bunch of rich people who don't know what to do with their money so they try to recreate CA int he middle of a desert) except these people have no money The zoloft problem should be adressed. So should the Ben and Jerry's problem. How many Ice Cream shops can you name in Provo? Granny's, Cold Stone, Rocky Mountain Drive Thru, Oh that place next to BYU and the new Panda Express... Actually, property crime is the real reason Utah has high crime. You think out lamanite brethren our guilty of property crime? You have to be rich to commit white collar crime you know. Things won'yt get better in Utah jobwise. I think your analysis is accruate for the USA, but not Utah. One thing I would like to add. No insurance company will cover a pregnancy. Am I wrong on this one? Someone dish out some info if I am wrong, but I couldn't find a health insruance that covered the bill to have a baby born.

Why is less than 1% discouraging. At least you kow who the bad guys are. In Utah, the bad guys could be the kids in your own Ward!

I think it is because you have people from all 50 states driving in the same area. They all have their idea on how the correct way to drive is.

I just wanted us to talk about what Utah is like. We all know this place has the best snow and nice weather in the summer, but they are many generalizations about the people there that are really off. So I will start with one. Elinz asked about what Provo was like. She said, "but I thought it was 90% Mormon?" For those of you who have lived in Utah, let us hear your input.

Good insight, I totally agree and am glad you said this. We have 3 missionaries out in our stake! But I am sure they will all stay out the entire 2 yrs.

Re think this. What do you have in your town right now? Some high schools? Do you have troubled teenagers? Would you say that 10-20% are upt ot no good? Well it is the same in UV. But if 90% are Mormon, and 20% up to no good... atleast 10% of all teenagers are upt to no good and are Mormon. Well, for those who live in Utah, they will say it is scarier than that. Just take your everyday "active" ward. Half the youth probably aren't being good kids on the weekdays.Also consider this. In the East, we have kids who either have figured out they want to be a strong member, or leave. They can leave, because they don't have 90% of the population ready to discourage them. In Utah, it is a given that you go on a mission. But also, in Utah, and places like AZ, CA, ID, OR and the West, kids come home from missions a lot.

don't forget ignorance.

If you can't be alone with the opposite sex w/o temptation or trusting your signifigant other you shouldn't be together. Marriage is based on both love AND trust. If you don't have that than you don't have much of a relationship. Moonshine Comet, I think you missed Kevin's point. A marriage should not be based on ignorance! "hey honey, lisa and I had a great lunch today" "lisa the supermodel?" "oh c'mon I'm not attracted to her" "so she is ugly?" and the fight begins...

Yes yes, to Maureen you listen.My wife is convinced that some of my clothes are ugly. There is no way to change her idea. She can chage her opinion, but nothing I do will make a difference. Imagine if my clothes were religion... now that would be a messed up situation.

Are you ok with your kids choosing aetheism? Because if I was told about all religions at once, I would choose none, because it requires no effort. And even though there are more blessings in keeping the commandments, the bleesings are hard to prove, especially since in ours and other Christian religions, you are supposed to be keeping the commandments because you love the Lord, not because you want to get something out of it.

You don't. They convert themselves. Let me give you my two cents. You need to go into this marriage with the idea that she will never become a member. Because there is a good chance that is exactly what will happen. Just think about if this is important to you or not, and are you going to change your mind later on. Also think about what you have invested in the church. And then compare to what she has invested in the church. Well she has very little invested. If you want to marry and be active in the church, sit her down and explain what your marriage will be like. Tell her what religion you want the kids to follow. Tell her that 10% of your increase is going to the church. Tell her you won't want to eat out on Sunday (unless you are living in Utah, it is ok for them to do it j/k).

On earth? I don't think so. And no, not at least President's Snow's generation - we still all (the orthodox) believe it today. I'm sorry Snow....when I was reading this thread to catch up, I noticed that blantant error and was about to edit when I saw your post.... :) NO God wasn't on THIS earth...but he was on A earth back in the eons of time...and then He went through the process of progression until He became OUR God on THIS EARTH. As for the President Snow's remark....I was just leaving room for President Hinckley's statement made in that interview on TV. :) Peace, are you ever going to let us know why you started to believe that even though the Church is true, the prophets are false? Is there a thread where she has already explained this? I would like to know.

You don't want to have to say "don't eat lunch with her" but do it anyway. Just let him know that even though he isn't having an affair and has no intentions of doing so...I mean, this is how affairs start anyway. No one wakes up and says, "I think I want a new box of cereal" They just happen to see the new box at t eh store and then spend a few months telling their wife, "Hey, there is this new box of cereal. It only has 2 active carbs." And then the wife gets suspicious. Does she have the right to be suspicious. Damn right you do! You married him for crying out loud! He promised to always gawk at YOU!