Hill-Billy

BY said it somewhere in the journals. That the church would retain enough prieshood to carry it off triumphantly. I agree with that statement. The church belongs to our heavenly father and he will do with it as he pleases. We don't have to steady the Ark, if we do we will receive the same as those in bibilical time recieved, Father Killed them for interferring in his affairs. And to rameumptom, NO I am not trying to get you goof balls to leave the church. Gileadi. wanted to remain in the church so he sucked up. My dear friend and brother Nibley found himself in the same spot, if you remember.

Pam First, the revelation of 1886 does not talk about Heber J. Grant. We are talking about the morning meeting that the prophet explained the revelation and who gave it to him. Take note that the one might and strong came during the 7th president. Never caught that before. Pres. Taylor said He said that in the time of the seventh President of this Church, the Church would go into bondage both temporally and spiritually and in that day (the day of bondage) the one Mighty and Strong spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants would come. Among other things stated by President Taylor on this occasion was this, “I would be surprised if ten per cent of those who claim to hold the Melchizedek Priesthood will remain true and faithful to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, at the time of the seventh president, and that there would be thousands that think they hold the priesthood at that time, but would not have it properly conferred upon them.” So that what Pres. Taylor the prophet said, you can believe it or not. John Doesay, Why would the church want to hide from these things if they are legitimate? Because the church as a body during that time refused to live the Celestial Laws of God and past there own rejection of them. So to accept this 1886 revelation would be say they were wrong in not living the law. Just a guy: Hmm. Does he still stand by the stuff he wrote before 1993? I have no idea what this means or why it was said. The rest of the stuff is just slams and ignorant bad mouth talking. If you have a question ask it, but ask it in a way that I see a ? No one commented on my new picture.

OK Pam.. I am not sure what is your question and what is a comment. Naturally the church wants to hide or not talk about these things. I understand that. So the only way we can read them or try to understand them is to look to the books I listed. Being that You or I will not agree on these points. I wrote these posts trying to get people to get out of he box and read some history of our church. This is not a court trial. We must read, gather the documents and then pray about it. How you and I interpret these things is up to our free agency. I have studied Isaiah for many years; I have read it in Hebrew. There are three ways to read all scriptures, superficial reading of the print, next in regard to ourselves and in regard to priesthood, future events etc. etc. The study of Isaiah is complex, yet easy to understand if you understand the way the old Hebrews wrote prophesies. To help you understand Isaiah purchase and read all the books by Abraham Gileadi. (You may already have them, if so I apologize) I do not want to preach. I decided to change my picture to something that fits my personality. OK someone list (bullets) all your questions for me one by one and not to many, I will do my best to answer them.

To get down to the 1886 revelation etc. The only people who have written about it is the Book. A leaf in Review, by Allred and the truth mag. by Musser. There are a lot of conflicting information about who, what and when. The only safe way for us to come to the truth is PRAYER. We can debate this from one end to the other and keep getting on each others nerves. Just pray about it and move on... Pam, you got me... who the heck is Kristoffer Umfrey, is it a person, place or thing?

Oh... I think you have it. It doesn't matter if it was given to the church or not. JS, and others have had revelations that have not been voted on by the church. So, to say that God can not be heard or obeyed unless it is voted on by the church members, I think is going to far. If I read a revelation and I find it to be true by Prayer.... then I will live it. I don't care if you or others voted on it or not. I live to follow my Heavenly Father, not man. We each have our Free Agency to believe or not to believe. How wonderful a doctrine. When you arrive at the other side, you will be judged by what YOU decided to believe or not to believe. I have never heard of anyone being condemned for believeing too much of the gospel, but for unbelieve. Thanks for your post...

Might we consider the missionaries have been called home because they might not have priesthood (as Pres. John Taylor Prophesied) and maybe because they don’t travel without purse or script? Might we consider that the calling of the missionaries is not such an act of a human phone call. Remember they were called home during the Second World War. Can we consider that when God calls them home or puts a stop to missionary work, it is in his way and under His understanding, not our understanding or our thinking. Just a though.

Sorry it has taken some time to go to work.... YUK If this is not enough info. Maybe we should just pray about it!! 1886 Revelation Given to President John Taylor September 27, 1886 My son John, you have asked me concerning the New and Everlasting Covenant how far it is binding upon my people. Thus saith the Lord: All commandments that I give must be obeyed by those calling themselves by my name unless they are revoked by me or by my authority, and how can I revoke an everlasting covenant, for I the Lord am everlasting and my everlasting covenants cannot be abrogated nor done away with, but they stand forever. Have I not given my word in great plainness on this subject? Yet have not great numbers of my people been negligent in the observance of my law and the keeping of my commandments, and yet have I borne with them these many years; and this because of their weakness—because of the perilous times, and furthermore, it is more pleasing to me that men should use their free agency in regard to these matters. Nevertheless, I the Lord do not change and my word and my covenants and my law do not, and as I have heretofore said by my servant Joseph: All those who would enter into my glory must and shall obey my law. And have I not commanded men that if they were Abraham’s seed and would enter into my glory, they must do the works of Abraham. I HAVE NOT REVOKED THIS LAW, NOR WILL I, for it is everlasting, and those who will enter into my glory MUST obey the conditions thereof; even so, Amen. Official Church Statement In the “Official Statement” from the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, signed by Heber J. Grant, A.W. Ivins and J. Reuben Clark, Jr., “First Presidency,” the words are as follows: “It is alleged that on September 26-27, 1886, President John Taylor received a revelation from the Lord, the purported text is given in publications circulated apparently by or at the instance of this organization (Fundamentalists). “As to this pretended revelation it should be said that the archives of the Church contain no such a revelation; the archives contain no record of any such a revelation, nor any evidence justifying a belief that any such a revelation was ever given. From the personal knowledge of some of us, from the uniform and common recollection of the presiding quorums of the Church, from the absence in the Church archives of any evidence whatsoever justifying any belief that such a revelation was given, we are justified in affirming that no such a revelation exists.” If the revelation to John Taylor was not then in the archives of the Church, it is because it had been taken out from the archives of the Church, in order to make the statement, for each of the brethren had been familiar with it and knew that it was in existence. These three men signed the false statement with full knowledge of its falsity and with the intent of deceiving the Saints. To make the deception more complete, A. W. Ivins, one of the signers to the false statement, wrote one of our California friends as follows: “The latter purported revelation of John Taylor (of 1886) has no standing in the Church. I have searched carefully, and all that can be found is a piece of paper found among President Taylor’s effects after his death. It was written in pencil and only a few paragraphs, which has no signature at all. It was unknown to the Church until members of his own family claimed to have found it among his papers. It was never presented or discussed as a revelation by the presiding authorities of the Church.” Then without any apparent thought of corroboration of this statement with facts, Apostle Melvin J. Ballard stumbles into a trap and leaves Brother Ivins out on a limb, as follows: “The pretended revelation of John Taylor never had his signature added to it but was written in the form of a revelation and undoubtedly was in his handwriting.” (Marriage—Ballard-Jenson Correspondence, p. 17.) Thus the revelation is confirmed by two independent statements made by two leading Church officials, each of whom tried to destroy it. The late B. H. Roberts, while Assistant Historian of the Church, stated to friends that he had seen, on more than one occasion, the original copy of this 1886 revelation, and knew that it was in the Church archives; and in his opinion it was genuine. Lorin C. Woolley Statement As further and ultimate proof of the existence of this revelation we quote a statement in extenso from Lorin C. Woolley, a bodyguard of John Taylor at the time the revelation was received, and who was given a copy of the same on the day it was written, as the statement indicates. Statement of Lorin C. Woolley with reference to the revelation of 1886, on the subject of Celestial or plural marriage, given September 22, 1929: There were present Lorin C. Woolley, Daniel R. Bateman, John Y. Barlow, J. Leslie Broadbent and J. W. Musser. Prayer was offered by John Y. Barlow. Lorin C. Woolley related the following: While the brethren were at the Carlisle residence (in Murray) in May or June of 1886, letters began to come to President John Taylor from such men as John Sharp, Horace Eldredge, William Jennings, John T. Cain, Abraham Hatch, President Cluff and many other leading men from all over the Church, asking the leaders to do something, as the Gentiles were talking of confiscating their property in connection with the property of the Church. These letters not only came from those who were living in the plural marriage relation, but also from prominent men who were presiding in various offices in the Church who were not living in that relation. They all urged that something be done to satisfy the Gentiles so that their property would not be confiscated. George Q. Cannon, on his own initiative, selected a committee comprising himself, Hyrum B. Clawson, Franklin S. Richards, John T. Caine and James Jack, to get up a statement or manifesto that would meet the objections urged by the brethren above named. They met from time to time to discuss the situation. From the White home, where President Taylor and companions stopped, after leaving the Carlisle home, they came out to father’s. George Q. Cannon would go and consult with the brethren of the committee, I taking him back and forth each day. On September 26, 1886, George Q. Cannon, Hyrum B. Clawson, Franklin S. Richards, and others met with President John Taylor at my father’s residence at Centerville, Davis County, Utah, and presented a document for President Taylor’s consideration. I had just got back from a three days’ trip, during most of which time I had been in the saddle, and being greatly fatigued, I had retired to rest. Between one and two o’clock P.M. Brother Bateman came and woke me up and asked me to be at my father’s home, where a manifesto was to be discussed. I went there and found there were congregated Samuel Bateman, Charles H. Wilkins, L. John Nuttall, Charles Birrell, George Q. Cannon, Franklin S. Richards and Hyrum B. Clawson. We discussed the proposed Manifesto at length, but we were unable to become united in the discussion. Finally George Q. Cannon suggested that President Taylor take the matter up with the Lord and decide the same the next day. Brothers Clawson and Richards were taken back to Salt Lake. That evening I was called to act as guard during the first part of the night, notwithstanding the fact that I was greatly fatigued on account of the three days’ trip I had just completed. The brethren retired to bed soon after 9 o’clock. The sleeping rooms were inspected by the guards as was the custom. President Taylor’s room had no outside door. The windows were heavily screened. Some time after the brethren retired and while I was reading the Doctrine and Covenants, I was suddenly attracted to a light appearing under the door leading to President Taylor’s room, and was at once startled to hear the voices of men talking there. There were three distinct voices. I was bewildered because it was my duty to keep people out of that room and evidently someone had entered without my knowing it. I made a hasty examination and found the door leading to the room bolted as usual. I then examined the outside of the house and found all the window screens intact. While examining the last window, and feeling greatly agitated, a voice spoke to me saying, “Can’t you feel the Spirit? Why should you worry?” At this I returned to my post and continued to hear the voices in the room. They were so audible that although I did not see the parties I could place their positions in the room from the sound of their voices. The three voices continued until about midnight, when one of them left, and the other two continued. One of them I recognized as President John Taylor’s voice. I called Charles Birrell [Footnote: Charles Birrell was also a bodyguard of the brethren and was to take the second shift in watching on this night.] and we both sat up until eight o’clock the next morning. When President Taylor came out of his room about eight o’clock of the morning of September 27, 1886, we could scarcely look at him on account of the brightness of his personage. He stated, “Brethren, I have had a very pleasant conversation with Brother Joseph (Joseph Smith).” I said, “Boss, who is the man that was there until midnight?” He asked, “What do you know about it, Lorin?” I told him all about my experience. He said, “Brother Lorin, that was your Lord.” We had no breakfast, but assembled ourselves in a meeting. I forget who opened the meeting. I was called to offer the benediction. I think my father, John W. Woolley, offered the opening prayer. There were present at the meeting, in addition to President Taylor, George Q. Cannon, L. John Nuttall, John W. Woolley, Samuel Bateman, Charles Wilkins, Charles Birrell, Daniel R. Bateman, Bishop Samuel Sedden, George Earl, my mother, Julia E. Woolley, my sister, Amy Woolley, and myself. The meeting was held from about 9 o’clock in the morning until 5 in the afternoon, without intermission, being about eight hours in all. President Taylor called the meeting to order. He had the Manifesto, that had been prepared under the direction of George Q. Cannon, read over again. He then put each person under covenant that he or she would defend the principle of Celestial or plural marriage, and that they would consecrate their lives, liberty and property to this end, and that they personally would sustain and uphold that principle. By that time we were all filled with the Holy Ghost. President Taylor and those present occupied about three hours up to this time. After placing us under covenant, he placed his finger on the document, his person rising from the floor about a foot or eighteen inches, and with countenance animated by the Spirit of the Lord, and raising his right hand to the square, he said, “Sign that document? -- Never! I would suffer my right hand to be severed from my body first. Sanction it—never! I would suffer my tongue to be torn from its roots in my mouth before I would sanction it!” After that he talked for about an hour and then sat down and wrote the revelation which was given him by the Lord upon the question of Plural Marriage (the text of which revelation is given above). Then he talked to us for some time, and said, “Some of you will be handled and ostracized and cast out from the Church by your brethren because of your faithfulness and integrity to this principle, and some of you may have to surrender your lives because of the same, but woe, woe, unto those who shall bring these troubles upon you.” (Three of us were handled and ostracized for supporting and sustaining this principle. There are only three left who were at the meeting mentioned—Daniel R. Bateman, George Earl, and myself. So far as I know, those of them who have passed away all stood firm to the covenants entered into from that day to the day of their deaths.) After the meeting referred to, President Taylor had L. John Nuttall write five copies of the revelation. He called five of us together: Samuel Bateman, Charles H. Wilkins, George Q. Cannon, John W. Woolley, and myself. He then set us apart and placed us under covenant that while we lived we would see to it that no year passed by without children being born in the principle of plural marriage. We were given authority to ordain others if necessary to carry this work on, they in turn to be given authority to ordain others when necessary, under the direction of the worthy senior (by ordination), so that there should be no cessation in the work. He then gave each of us a copy of the revelation. I am the only one of the five now living, and so far as I know all five of the brethren remained true and faithful to the covenants they entered into, and to the responsibilities placed upon them at that time. During the eight hours we were together, and while President Taylor was talking to us, he frequently arose and stood above the floor, and his countenance and being were so enveloped by light and glory that it was difficult for us to look upon him. He stated that the document (referring to the Manifesto) was from the lower regions. He stated that many of the things he had told us we would forget and they would be taken from us, but that they would return to us in due time as needed, and from this fact we would know that the same was from the Lord. This has been literally fulfilled. Many of the things I forgot, but they are coming to me gradually, and those things that come to me are as clear as on the day on which they were given. President Taylor said that the time would come when many of the Saints would apostatize because of this principle. He said “one-half of this people would apostatize over the principle for which we are now in hiding; yea, and possibly one-half of the other half” (rising off the floor while making the statement). He also said the day will come when a document similar to that (Manifesto) then under consideration would beadopted by the Church, following which “APOSTASY AND WHOREDOM would be rampant in the Church.” He said that in the time of the seventh President of this Church, the Church would go into bondage both temporally and spiritually and in that day (the day of bondage) the one Mighty and Strong spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants would come. Among other things stated by President Taylor on this occasion was this, “I would be surprised if ten per cent of those who claim to hold the Melchizedek Priesthood will remain true and faithful to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, at the time of the seventh president, and that there would be thousands that think they hold the priesthood at that time, but would not have it properly conferred upon them.” John Taylor set the five mentioned apart and gave them authority to perform marriage ceremonies, and also to set others apart to do the same thing as long as they remained upon the earth; and while doing so, the Prophet Joseph Smith stood by directing the proceedings. Two of us had not met the Prophet Joseph Smith in his mortal lifetime and we—Charles H. Wilkins and myself—were introduced to him and shook hands with him. (Signed) LORIN C. WOOLLEY. Daniel R. Bateman, being present while the above experience was related by Brother Woolley, testified as follows: “I was privileged to be at the meeting of September 27, 1886, spoken of by Brother Woolley, I myself acting as one of the guards for the brethren during those exciting times. The proceedings of the meeting, as related by Brother Woolley, are correct in every detail. I was not present when the five spoken of by Brother Woolley were set apart for special work, but have on different occasions heard the details of the same related by Brother Lorin C. Woolley and John W. Woolley, and from all the circumstances with which I am familiar, I firmly believe the testimony of these two brethren to be true.” Additional Corroborative Evidence Items of special interest relative to the 1886 REVELATION. The following excerpts taken from the trial minutes of special meetings of the Twelve Apostles held in the Salt Lake Temple, February 22nd, and March 1st, 1911. Those in Attendance were: Apostle John W. Taylor, President Francis M. Lyman and Apostles Heber J. Grant, Hyrum M. Smith, Charles W. Penrose, George F. Richards, Orson F. Whitney, David O. McKay, Anthony W. Ivins and Joseph F. Smith Jr. President Francis M. Lyman presided and specifically informed Apostle John W. Taylor that he had been summoned to the trial, “TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.” Apostle John W. Taylor: My father received a REVELATION which however was never presented to the Church, and I refer to this not because it was a REVELATION to my father; I don’t think a REVELATION because it came through him was any greater than one received through any other president of the Church, but because it seems to pertain to this question.

Thank you; Maya, Pam and Justice for your comments. About the Jews coming into this gospel.. I know my mother was one. I do agree with you that Heber J. Grant was lead by the spirit during his administration. I think we have a wonderful father who is willing to take the car key away from a disobedient Son, so he doesn't hurt himself or others while driving. Another example: When one of my children drops a glass of milk and the glass breaks, milk is everywhere what do you do? The family jumps in and cleans up the mess. We don't condemn the person who drops the glass. The other options would be to ignore the facts, or try to sweep the whole thing under the rug so no one sees it. And if someone did see it and mentioned it, we certainly would not cast stones on the person who found the mess and reported it. PAM… I think you read too much into what I have said. It was not meant to be a slam. JUSTICE; I have in the past site, explained, sited and copied the documents. In these sites it is easy to lose such information. We have a big history of our Church and I don’t have time to write it all down. Please, if you would Google; 1886 Revelation a list of sites will appear. Also Google: The Priesthood Ordination Change in 1921 by Heber J. Grant. It is also found in the Missionary Handbook of that time. These facts are not hidden in this day and age of information with Google. Hope all of you have a great Sabbath.

The last post received a lot of attention over Pres. Heber J. Grant administration on a “Priesthood ordination problems.” In order to prevent a lot of useless negative and sometimes just plain mean and rude chatter, I am going to set my own rules for my responses. Anyone who has flies in their empty belfry, or uses loud obnoxious talk without first engaging the mind, or is a person without mind or body in his thinking, I will not respond to such negative discussions with them. If it is negative, hateful, and rude and lacks common good taste I will not respond. Question is: Has the times of the Gentiles been fulfilled? I have given you paragraph 25 to start with, but by all means read the whole section to get the complete picture here. This section is critical to the understanding of those who want to prepare for the Second Coming of our Lord. We need to prepare for it, this is the day of our probation and we need to do what we can, today. Not wait another minute of our probation in strong drink. If we have a handle on this section it might help wake us up to repent and get ready for the future, destruction of the wicked and hope we are not among them when this destruction happens. “and in that day shall be heard of wars and rumors of wars, and the whole earth shall be in commotion, and men’s hearts shall fail them, and they shall say that Christ delayeth his coming until the end of the earth. And the love of men shall wax cold, and iniquity shall abound. And when the “times of the Gentiles” is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fullness of my gospel; But they receive it not; for they perceive not the light, and they turn their hearts from me because of the precepts of men. And in that generation shall the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall not pass until they shall see an over flowing scourge; for a desolating sickness shall cover the land.” This is only part of it as you all know and have read before. We in the church have a habit of looking forward when maybe sometimes we should look back in time. I submit to your judgments that this has been fulfilled in the 1920’s. During the 1920’s certain events took place to lead me to believe that the times of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. 1. President Heber J. Grant’s administration of (1921) Priesthood, temple changes, garment changes, calling off the gathering, the mission field changes, fullness of the gospel changed because of the pressure from the U.S. Government. 2. and the over flowing scourge as a time line too, was the 1920 flu epidemic that killed millions. 3. Prophesy of John Taylor in the 1886 Revelation regarding the 7th president of the church, which happens to be Pres. Heber J. Grant. 4. Isaiah, Chapter 7, I think is regarding the 7th president of the Church. Mrs. Heather, Monitor, I am not trying to discredit the church or talk nasty about it, Just the facts mama, just the facts. President John Taylor said it not me. All of this leads me to believe that the “times of the Gentiles” has been fulfilled and we are closer to our Saviors coming than any of us believe. We may want to give excuses for not believing it is that close, as it makes us feel uncomfortable but the facts lead to this conclusion. And what if this conclusion is wrong and we get out of our daily sleepy life and start to prepare for His coming? Big deal so we were early, I would rather be early than late, wouldn’t you?

Well, I don’t understand what being a prophet or not has to do with the post I made, maybe you don’t comprehend what you read or you just didn’t read the post, either way you have made some assumptions that one IS and one IS NOT a prophet. How do you know this, are you a prophet? Being a prophet is called of God not man. Just because someone died and left the other in charge does not Qualify as a Prophet. There are a lot of churches out there that call the head guy a prophet, that does not make him one. He must qualify. Maybe you should find out how to qualify as a prophet before you make assumptions.

Ya, if we only had one to rely on instead of an office as one. Their are certain requirements to the job and just calling someone a profit is the same as calling Warren Jeffs a prophet. He Aint!

Yes, it was J. Musser. Truth is everywhere you find it. He had a lot of really good thought. I didn't think anyone here would know him or want to hear what he said. I first went to the Rare Book collection at BYU and looked up the missionary hand book to find what I had heard. It was true. Yes, I understand how it was supposed to be. This is a problem of massive complications. What do we do now? Now that we know or suspect that millions of church members don't have priesthood

These changes in Priesthood Ordinations started in 1921 and continued until 1951 that is 30years without Priesthood conferred in the church. That is very disturbing to me, you might want to deny this, start with your usual mud slinging over typo’s, spelling etc. in trying to discredit the truth by killing the messenger and that’s fine, I don’t care if you believe it or not. Either now or later you will have to deal with it. This tread is very thread bare and worn. This case is perma fascia as evidence to the fact that millions in the church don’t have Priesthood and that all the work by Priesthood since 1921 must me done over again. When you have been properly baptized and given Priesthood a peace falls over you and you are not in the state of mind were you have to tare down in order to build yourself up. BY said, that there will always remain enough Priesthood in the church to carry it off triumphantly. I believe that!

President Taylor "I would be surprised if ten percent of those who claim to hold the Melchizedek priesthood will remain true and faithful to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, at the time of the seventh president, and that there would be thousands that think they hold the priesthood at that time, but would not have it properly conferred upon them." (Pamphlet, 1886 Revelation, p. 8.) Under the present practice of the Church - [Heber J. Grant administration policy, 1918-1945] there are many in the Church who are supposed to receive the Priesthood but who do not get it. These in turn pretend to confer it upon others, who likewise fail to receive it. And these pretend to perform baptisms which cannot be valid for lack of Priesthood authority, and thus the gambled up condition pyramids. One can understand in the light of these facts, how Temple ordinances may be deficient, and in the end, all authority may justly be questioned as for decades Latter-day Saint Elders have questioned the authority of sectarian priests. offices in the Church and not the Priesthood. They have been and are now on missions, converting people and attempting to baptize them and ordain them to the Priesthood. But if they haven't the Priesthood themselves what value is their baptisms or ordinations? Some of these sons have been working in the Temple, being baptized for the dead, and receiving the Priesthood for them; yet they themselves have not received the Priesthood. How is such work to be effective? The faithful father may have the Priesthood, he may be effective. The faithful father may have the Priesthood, he may be a High Priest, or an Apostle, while his sons haven't any Priesthood at all, and yet they are officiating in positions that only Priesthood can qualify them to do. This deplorable condition has arrived. Our missionaries in the field; those acting as Priests, Elders and High Priests at home, operating without the Priesthood produces a serious and tragic problem, that, as we see it, only the "One Mighty and Strong" (D.&C. 85) can unravel and bring order out of the chaotic condition the Church finds itself in. We are informed that Charles W. Penrose had the ordinance (of Priesthood conferral) changed after the death of President Joseph F. Smith. President Smith, discovering Brother Penrose was teaching the new method during his presidency, forbid him to do so any more, "or I will have you tried for your fellowship." After Heber J. Grant came to the presidency, Brother Penrose's theory was adopted; the change came in 1921. President Grant stated publicly, "I know nothing concerning the Gospel; I am a financial man; when I want information I go to President Penrose, James E. Talmage or Joseph Fielding Smith." Brother Penrose held that when "We give the men the Priesthood, we give them all we have; and if we cut them off later, not being able to take their Priesthood away from them they still have all that we have." Upon you my fellow servants, In the name of Messiah, I confer the Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and of the Gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth until the sons of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness; (D.& C. 13.) Conferring the Priesthood. To prevent disputes over this subject that may arise over the procedure presented on page 136, we draw attention to the fact that until recently, from the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith, ordinations to the Priesthood were directly to the office therein for which the recipient was chosen and appointed, in form substantially as follows: As to the Melchizedek Priesthood---"By authority (or in the authority) of the Holy Priesthood and by the laying on of hands, I (or we) ordain you an Elder, (or Seventy, or High Priest, or Patriarch, or Apostle, as the case may be), in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and confer upon you all the rights, powers, keys and authority pertaining to this office and calling on the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen." As to the Lesser Priesthood---"By (or in) the authority of the Holy Priesthood I (or we) lay my (or our) hands upon your head and ordain you a Deacon (or other office in the Lesser Priesthood) in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and confer upon you All the rights, powers, and authority pertaining to this office and calling in the Aaronic Priesthood, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen." In reference to the form of procedure mentioned on page 136, and that set forth in this addendum as adopted by the leading authorities of the Church from the beginning, our beloved and departed President, Joseph F. Smith, when questioned concerning them, decided, as of record, "It is a distinction without a difference," and "Either will do." Heber J. Grant Anthon H. Lund Charles W. Penrose (Gospel Doctrine, by Joseph F. Smith, Addenda A.)

Is your bow, broken? My wife wonders why I get up at 4am or so to read and meditate on the gospel. It is because I have been hooked on the spirit and how it makes me feel. Sleep means nothing to that feeling. Joseph Smith was baptized, received his priesthood and was a true prophet of God well before the Church was established. The Church was established to take the uneducated and teach them the basics of the gospel. So, I wonder, there must be a lot more to the gospel than what is taught in the Church. It, the Church, is our Mother. Like the Sons of Helaman they were taught on their mothers lap and so are we in the Church. We are given milk, then a little bread and Gerber’s food. After we grow older we are turned over to our Father for instruction on the higher things of life, or should we say, the meat of the gospel. Mother can bring us so far and then this body needs meat. If we look at the three most important people in the Churches beginning, namely Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and John Taylor we have a pattern of what our life should be like. Yes, they helped the Church realize the basics and gave us a chance to eat a little meat. Our Father Abraham gave us the chance to do the works of Abraham. How did he live his life? Then we also have the life of lot and his very large family. He and his wife and family all chose to leave the life of Abraham and go to the big city to live. Where they had markets, fine home, goods to buy and sell all kinds of stuff. Gratify all their wants of the flesh. Another example is our Father Lehi and son’s who also were given the chance to a higher life by leaving the city life and all their possessions of gold, silver, homes, job etc. and go live in a tent out of the city. They lived on what they brought with them for a time and then needed to have more. They needed the meat of the gospel. Once out in the desert they found that the oil in their lamps was not enough to guide them further. As the virgins found out many of them didn’t have any oil and in this Lehi’s case, Nephi broke his bow. The whole family suffered for lack of meat. Until Nephi could make a bow out of wood and then he asked God where to go to obtain meat. So, I ask you children-Is your bow broken?