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i guess reading all of this has reminded me of how much i have lost touch with Socrates famous old saying -i know i am intelligent because i know that i know nothing-.

rameumptom- very inspirational speech there dude : you are totally right, and i would like to thank everyone of you guys for the thoughts you have put down on the subject, unfortunately i can't stop using my mind to confuse myself :S its just part of me i guess.. saying this, i think God gave me some pretty convincing evidence of his existence through other means other than the spirit, if this was because he knows I'm stubborn or because of pure coincidence I'm not sure :s

wow... you learnt all that from a TV show called super natural?! supernatural sounds like wiki dude :S but yeah that's is my main problem with Mormonism and most other Christian faiths (not saying that i don't believe, just saying its a weird inconstancy).

maureen I'm guessing by the that supernatural had something on Mormonism or some sort? i don't watch it no but supernatural or no, it doesn't change the fact that the discrepancy exists

OK i probably did word it wrong :S i thought the word "partial" in "praying is just a partial answer" and the word "other" in "seeking is the other part" gave you an incline as to how i thought of prayer but :S considering your telling me that i should have worded it better and the fact that i know I'm terrible at expressing myself with writing, must mean that the lack of though on your part for not thinking that maybe your not reading it right, is a good strategy. And Pam, your still missing the point with the Lucifer thing Saying stuff like "That is why I gave you the answer I did. We do believe that Lucifer is the name for Satan during the premortal life." isn't an answer to "and how come the LDS church is making Lucifer an official name for Satan?" its just another way of putting what i already stated :S I don't know how else to put it but i always knew that Satan and Lucifer was the same person in the Mormon church and numerous other christian churches if not all...actually even Muslims believe it to be so, however, that was never my concern, my concern was that the word Lucifer is a mistranslation from the TRUE words morning star written in the original Hebrew doctrines. but its all good now, super Finrock has answered it better than i would have though and now I'm super happy see, smiling :D:D

marts1, an answer like what?

connie, yeah same for me, I'm very much into using my own brain to gather information and I'm glad cause in this case it payed off, i totally get it now!!

Pam, praying is the foundation of getting answers but I'm sure you know God will not put the answers on your lap, you have to search for them. like praying for a job, I'm sure God wont make people line up outside your house to offer you a job, you have to seek, same goes for answers.

@finrock- thank you so much, the penny has dropped as the expression goes, i get it now, I'm still having some issues with it but i think i can work with this. and please people, don't keep telling others to pray about everything to get answers praying is just a partial answer, seeking is the other part and this was me seeking :) thanks for the help anyway guys @Pam- your missing the point mate :S i know all that, my question was why was Lucifer used in the BoM and still being used today if its a miss translation.

@snow- there is only one verse in the bible that has the mistranslation (Isa 14:12-17) @justaguy- yes i know Jehovah isn't Gods name according to the LDS church. I know a lot about the Mormon church dude, the fact that his name isn't Jehovah is basic stuff, stuff like becoming Gods, God's planet, multiverses etc isn't unfamiliar to me, after all i am a Mormon, and I'm not trying to be picky nether, i simply have come across a problem and I'm trying to understand it better. you did make a good point though, does the book of Mormon use the name Jehovah to describe God or Jesus? and if its to describe God then it certainly answers some part of the question, the other part is that the official church standing on the matter is that God isn't Jehovah and that isn't the same case for Satan and Lucifer.

@ mightynancy, you caught my attention. So your saying its possible that Joseph Smith knew it was a mistranslation but he used it anyway just for clarity? in other words, the original doctrine was never referring to the ruler of Babylon but he was in fact referring to Satan himself? if that is the case then why didn't he just put the word Satan instead? wouldn't that have been more clear and also right? also, how come the church is still stating that Lucifer is the name of the opposition? has the prophet not had anything to say about this? I'm sorry for all the pressure on this fact but its not something we can just pass over, its a critical point in my view which brings me to believe this church might not be the true church after all and that would suck cause i love the church, out off all the churches and beliefs i have researched this one has the most accurate view of what my limited human brain can comprehend of a perfect being. what do you guys think? PS: sorry for my horrible spelling and grammar, i had learning dificulties when it came to these two :S

hey guys, i was wondering if you could all answer a question I have about the word Lucifer please. first off let me explain i am not a troll and I'm not looking for trouble or anything, i just generally want to know and understand the problematic questions i have been having. the word Lucifer is a mistranslation in the bible, yet the book of Mormon has the same passage that the Bible has containing the word Lucifer. The real words used in the bible were morning star, later translated to Lucifer which is a Latin name for the morning star. does this mean that Joseph smith copied straight out of the King James version of the bible? because if he didn't then in the book of Mormon it would be morning start rather than Lucifer, and how come the LDS church is making Lucifer an official name for Satan? i really hope there is an answer to this puzzle and if there is, please don't leave me in the dark thanks for your time.

OK i was typing when the other people posted, thanks a lot for the understanding and support :) Mormons being nice people was never one of my questions

well its not that easy, you see, i have missionaries see me every week, and the problem is, i hit them with questions they can't answer :S some i expect no one ever will but others i kinda think i deserve an answer before i commit to something that could very well be wrong. don't get me wrong, i see the fruits of the church, families are close, marriages are long lasting, a divorce rating hardly worth mentioning but doesn't change the fact that God lets me think outside the box, he made me this way in a physical form, so if he wants me to come back to him he has to expect me to want to go back to him through the right church and if i have doubts, I'm sure as a loving perfect father he would want me to have answers, my problems aren't faith based as i know what i need to do to answer those. But there is no way I'm going to go back if i can't get the obvious (possible) flaws made right, I'm hoping there is answers which is why i came here :S. Missionaries are really cool but they are somewhat close minded when it comes to deep doctrine or even the most problematic flaws (most of them, the ones i have seen anyway will tell me that God exists and that the LDS is the true church with nothing to go by other than feelings, which is fair but i need more )). I want to ask real questions to real people who understand and believe in the possibility that there might not even be a God, open minded people, were can i go to talk to people like that? (not saying that any of you aren't any of those things, I'm just asking were to go please) thanks for your time :)

thanks but, I'm not too sure were i should ask it :S I'm not a big forum user