dahlia
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So, it went OK. I found it hard to plan out the time like I would for a class because I've been in very active lessons and in lessons where getting a response was like pulling teeth. The lesson was on honesty, from the manual. I never teach to the text (if you didn't read it, that's your issue, not mine. I'm there to provide info that's not in the text/manual.), so I had some intro and then divided the room in two (we have a lot of ladies with babies in those baby pod carrier things. I knew they couldn't move around too much) and passed out different questions for each half of the room. I left them to discuss in a group and then we heard the responses and discussed as a whole.
I added another issue about teens and online gossip, especially in light of the suicides of young people over this terrible behavior, so all in all, it was a good lesson, I think. I got compliments, so either they were being very nice or I actually did OK.
The freakish thing for me was the bishop saying he knew the spirit would be with me for my first lesson - the LDS must have a grapevine like nothing else I've experienced. How would he know? How would most of the ward know I don't eat meat? It's bizarre. I mean really - y'all wouldn't be gossiping, would you? : )
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While showing my missionaries a display of various bibles we have in our univ library, one asked if we had a first edition of the BoM, and we did! They were two happy elders when the curator brought out the box holding the book and opened it before them. They got to hold it and read from it and two happier young men there never were.
I'm usually better at this tech stuff, but can't figure how to insert a picture - the 'insert image' won't take my URL from Facebook. I should be able to upload directly from my computer, but I'm zoning at the moment. If someone tells me how, I'll put up a picture.
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I saw pictures of people in their baptism clothes all over the internet before I was baptized. Many missionaries post pictures of their baptisees in the white jump suit.
As you all know, I was not going down that road and my pictures all have me suitably attired in street clothes, in the church, but not the chapel.
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I've been asked to give the lesson this Sunday. Surely these women must be mainlining coffee if they think this was a smart move.
That'll learn me not to give a testimony on Fast Sunday.
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I think the US education system does have some great things to offer, but it is more consumed with making data look good and implenting "Best Practices" (with little concern for individual students) and making sure everyone gets the median that it pretty much crumbles.
This is the problem with the large public school systems. We didn't have this problem in the smaller Catholic schools I attended - though I'd say that teachers back then certainly saw learning and education one way and if you learned better by listening or some other style, than by reading, you were sunk.
There is something called 'institutionalism' which pretty much explains what you've said above. After awhile, the main purpose of almost any organization gets lost and the organization, and people in it, start to act in ways that perpetuate the myth of the org's original purpose, but in actuality, no longer have anything to do with it. Ergo, the purpose of schools becomes to pay teachers, give tests, house kids during the day, etc. Education becomes less and less a part of what is accomplished. Sad but true.
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As to not derail another very important thread -
Most “scholars” I have encountered in essence vomit their expertise and believe “smart” people will get it and if they are not smart they should be “washed out” and not considered important. This is – in my mind the single greatest failure of American intellectualism or scholarship. It is worse than grading on the curve.
It sounds as though you have had an unfortunate educational experience. While there are a few scholars like that (for the purpose of this discussion, I am going to equate 'scholar' with a PhD-educated professor as the college educational process is how most people have interactions with scholars), most would consider themselves failures if they did not communicate their scholarship so that most people could understand it. This is not the same as saying that a person lecturing in advanced physics will be understandable to the typical layman, but for many topics - including the sciences - there are ways to make the difficult understandable.
Most scholars love their work and want other people to understand it.
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I feel like I'm having a 'convert moment.' Ok, I've been a member since I was 9, but I've never even heard of this. It's like when I found out Stake and General Conference have Saturday sessions, I had no idea!
So, where do I purchase this book?
If you have an iPad or Kindle, you can get it from Amazon for .99 cents.
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Jesus The Christ is one of the best books ever written. I has given me knowledge of the Savior I never would have had had I not read it.
My bishop recommended it and I am reading it, little by little, now. Yes, there are some things that I find dated - certainly the language is a little dated and could be considered racist or anti-Semitic in places (that could just be my sensitivities showing), but it is certainly worth reading. I find it useful to read the notes and the actual the scripture references as I'm not very familiar with the Bible.
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One of my missionaries was born in Las Vegas; his father still lives there. I admit to being surprised that there was an LDS community there at all, but apparently there's even a temple. Go figure.
Anyway, congrats on your mission call.
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I had ward missionaries at first, but then I think people thought it was too much (ward missionaries, I was starting to do visiting teaching, and getting home teachers), and the ward missionaries stopped and my regular missionaries continued giving me post-baptism lessons.
I've liked it better - I know the missionaries (even when a new one came, at least I knew one of them), we can hang at my place and eat, and I don't have to worry about the schedules of married guys with kids and grad school.
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Dahlia, what you speak of, what you are focused on in this post, is very much of this world. Temporal considerations. Don't forget that there is learning, development, and education from choosing the path of the "traditional" mother that cannot be earned in any other way. That has value too. Value that will last the eternities, and not a vocation that will become obsolete in the hereafter.
I have to pay the bills in this world. Sorry, I guess I will never be the perfect Mormon if I'm only supposed to think of the hereafter.
Folks, please note my original post - I didn't say that everyone had to go to college or that it was wrong to stay home with the kids. When my husband was alive, we often alternated work times so one of us would be home. For a time, my husband stayed home with our son. And I'm all for parents instilling values in their children. Just because both parents work doesn't mean that there is child-raising or that no values are being taught in the home.
I'm just miffed that these women go all over the country while the husband gets educated and they can't do much for themselves - from what I've seen, mostly because there are so many little kids that it would be impossible to pay for child care on a resident's or grad student stipend.
Sometimes I wish I was in a regular ward.
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President Hinckley stressed the importance of education on numerous occasions. He was a huge advocate for education. Including women. In fact he counseled women to get an education as they would never know when they may need to become the one supporting their families.
I'm aware of this. It's just that I've yet to meet someone who's actually working. Life must be perfect for most LDS women.
/rant I'm in a bit of a snit about this. I don't mean to offend anyone.
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Now that I have your attention...
We had another female speaker in church who started off with, 'I'm So-and-So and I came here with my husband who's in (grad school, med school, whatever school).' I sat there fuming for a bit, as not once in all these months have I heard one man say he came here because of his wife's education pursuits.
I know that women go to BYU, I assume some actually graduate, but I have to wonder if these women work in jobs that use their education?
One of my missionaries told me that most women end up with 2 years of college (if they go) and don't work. Puhleeze tell me this isn't so. I'm all for moms staying with young kids, but darn, that isn't all women can do these days.
Understand that I'm not saying that everyone needs to go to college, but I find this failure to prepare oneself surprising in this day of divorce, and the fact that death or disability, or even long term unemployment for the husband, may mean that the wife has to go out and earn money. If that happens, it's certainly better if she has an education and can bring in some real money and not have to support a family $7.5 an hour.
Have I joined a church that wants its women dumbed down? Eventually the baby-making comes to an end, then what? Perhaps I'm not getting the whole picture because we have so many young marrieds in my ward, but even the older women don't seem to work. Must be nice.
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You might be a mormon if you have a hot chocolate table.
It took me a minute to get this one. All I could think of was a beautiful carved wood table laid out with 'hot chocolates of the world' in decorated tins.
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You might be Mormon:
....... if you have to fight the impulse to fold your arms and bow your head at the start of every office meeting.
I may have mentioned that I am on sabbatical this term. I've been spending most of my free time at church events and with the missionaries (going to lessons with them, meeting less actives, etc.). I just know that when I go back to school I am going to fold my arms and end class with something along the lines of, "I am so grateful we've had this beautiful day for class, that everyone got here safely, and that all of you participated so well in discussion, ..."
I have to admit, I love the 'hominess' of LDS prayer.
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The way the writers of these books treat the subject tells us how the administration views the subject. That is, they will devote shelf space to works they believe are important, honest, fair, accurate and comport to their thinking on the matter.
You may not realize it, but many, if not most, bookstores are run by large companies and have little to do with an individual school or its administration. Ergo, the bookstore's collection is not a reflection of the school administration, but, as I see it, of the company's world view and market research on what sells to college kids. For example, when I went to a large university in famous cloudy town in the Pacific Northwest, the liberal books were all given a lot of display space. You really had to hunt down a conservative book.
Maybe I'm spoiled by having access to major university libraries, but I choose those for my reading material. The library collection managers often get almost every book that is published, liberal or conservative, Mormon or anti. The databases of e-books are similarly wide ranging in appeal. I also buy a lot from Amazon. The last place I go for books is the university bookstore.
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Without the Internet, I would have been limited to library books when I first investigated the Church. With the Internet, I was able to listen to Mormon music, past Conference talks, read the stories of people of color who became Mormon, talk to the folks on lds.net, learn that there are Mormon feminists, tons o'stuff that I would never have learned from our university's LDS collection (and we have a pretty good one).
A big part of my teaching would disappear, as I teach information policy and technology and society.
I would also be unable to look at bunnies on cuteoverload.com.
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What is the point of this? I am published in my field, which has nothing to do with religion. No one who doesn't know me personally (and few of them) would know my religion, nor do I have a need to tell them. So, it could be that the editor-in-chief of my field's primary journal hates Mormons, but as long as my work is peer-reviewed and accepted for publication, my religion is never brought up. Why should it be?
I would think that many LDS scholars are working in fields that have nothing to do with their religion, therefore, claiming that there are few LDS intellectuals getting published or whatever, makes little sense. I happen to be in a ward full of academics and MDs doing fellowships, residencies, etc. Certainly for the graduate students, and to a lesser extent, for the medical folks, publishing is expected. So, there are Mormons publishing in their fields all over the place - but of course there is no indication that they are Mormon. I don't see any bias against Mormons in this type of publishing.
You may want to reframe your question. As it stands, perhaps it is too broad.
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Do you ever take our beliefs for granted?
I don't know if women in RS take their beliefs for granted, but I have frequently heard that my comments and those of the other recent convert are especially appreciated because they make the born Mormons think about their beliefs again.
I'd say that taking things for granted happens in a lot of situations where people do the same things year after year and there is no one or no situation that makes them stop and take stock of what they do and why.
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well I'm going to the temple tomorrow for our ward temple night, can't wait. I briefly talked to the EQ President about it, and he said just to bring myself and my recommend. He didn't say anything about extra underclothes...should i just bring them anyway? If so, is it okay to bring a backpack in the temple?
I brought a bag with a change of undies, hair stuff, and dressy clothes. I wore comfy stuff on the way, but ended up wearing my dress clothes back. I don't know about other Temples, but at Nauvoo I had to change into the nice clothes at a building near the temple, then walk over. I'm so used to the discomforts of air travel, and not used to car trips, that I dressed causal for the car trip up. I didn't realize how comfortable I'd be in a skirt and stockings (and I'm smacking myself for even typing those words) in the car. There will be a place for you to put your bag while you are doing the baptisms/confirmations. Remember that women have purses and hair accouterments and that stuff has to be put up somewhere, doesn't it?
We got a one piece underwear thing at the temple, which was nice and stretchy and quite supportive. Something that you don't have to worry about, but noticed I when I was changing out of the wet clothes that there was nail polish remover available. Another convert and I still had our polish on; no one told us about the polish thing - and apparently a lot of the born Mormon young women who went on our ward trip didn't know either.
There was a lot of talk amongst the women/young women because a lot of us were going for the first time and had questions about what to do. When I go again, I'd like to stay as quiet as possible and just take in the experience and meditate on what I'm doing.
I have to admit to being spoiled by the history and loveliness of Nauvoo, but it would be cool to go to temples around the country. One of my missionaries practically jumped out of his skin when they announced a new temple in his hometown of Meridian, ID during Conference. His mother wants to come to Nauvoo when he ends his mission and the three of us go the temple together, which would be wonderful.
I don't know what the right words to say are when someone goes to the temple - have a wonderful time? Have a blessed time? Dunno. But have a good one and keep your wits about you so that you will remember your first time doing this needful work.
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Oh! Baby stuff! Whew! I just saw this thread and thought it was about determining your gender in the pre-mortal life or something. I thought it was some LDS thing the missionaries forgot to tell me about.
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My stepfather used to say, "Lincoln freed the slaves" meaning, if you don't like what you're doing/your job, get up and do something else. I find it comforting and will use it with students who moan about stuff that can be changed if they'd just get off their rear ends.
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Do you mean a good diet cream soda? Because A&W, Shasta and multiple smaller outfits make diet cream soda. Regatta and Barritts make diet ginger beer (not to mention the various ginger ales out there such as Vernor's, Schwepps, and Canada Dry)
I knew I lived in the middle of nowhere, but this proves it. First, I think I have to go to the hippie store to get a cream soda. I know I haven't seen them in the regular grocery. I'm from the east coast and am used to seeing cream soda all over the place. Certainly I have not seen a diet version.
And Vernors (yuck), isn't that only in Michigan? I went to UM and my friends tried to sell me on Vernors. What a foul beverage! Ginger ale might be a good choice. I don't drink it much, but it's different and not too sweet. Of course, I could give them Vernors and the next time they'd bring their own drinks.
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Hi, I was baptized about 2 months ago.
Finally, 2 weeks ago I received a limited-use temple recommend. This allows me to enter our temples to perform baptisms for the dead.
Have you done baptisms yet? You should try to go as soon as possible; maybe your ward schedules regular trips to the temple. You may have to go with the youth, but better to go and get the experience than wait around for the perfect time to visit the temple.
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Let's try it again (now that I have FB, I keep forgetting about photobucket):