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Yes; that's what Traveler referred to. Personally that chapter in Rev I have found to be the most enegmatic chapter of the entire book. The more I study it, the less I think it means what was inferred in the post that brought it up. That meaning I understand is the predominate interpretation, nevertheless there is much more to it than that. Here is a list of verses that give additional direct insight to that chapter: Great City” = Rev 17:18, 14:8 1 Cor 6:19 Eph 2: 19-22 1 Peter 2: 5-6 Zech 4:1-14 Isa 51:19-21, 52 (2Ne 8:17-25) Ezk 37 3 Ne 21:24-26 Isa 11:11-13 Jacob 5 / Rom 11 Jer 11:16 Isa 44:1-4 Orson Hyde Dedicatory Prayer Rev 1:12 D&C 77:15 Dan 12: 5-7 Isa 19:18-22 Dan 12:2 It's quite a puzzle. I have all the pieces but just haven't put it all together yet.

First, to answer the OP: Yes; w/o a doubt He knows the exact time when he will return. IMO it is byond reason to think that the Creator of the universe and the Author of our salvation would not know such a thing. OK; now onto a couple of quesitons about your post Traveler: - You are correct, of course, when you state that "no man knoweth the day nor the hour..." is a figure of speach and is not be taken literally. There are many such examples in the scriptures in which an idiom or figure of speach is taken literally and the true meaning is missed. For example, Eve was created from Adam's rib--not litearlly but the idiom / expression teaches the idea that they were equals. There are many other examples but so I don't derail the thread I'll skip other examples. A question however is I thought that it was the Feast of the Trumpets that was announced by the the witnesses that you desccribed above not the New Year as you seem to indicate. Maybe I misunderstood you? Thanks for any calrificaiton. - My second quesiton is about your statement that you will know exactly 3 days before He returns. Are you referring to the event described in Rev 11? Thanks.

Hi Guys: I'm new to the forum so I hope you don't mind if I jump right in and add my $0.02... First, if something is included in the scriptures (i.e. timing of the the 2nd Coming w/ it's acompanying signs) , we have both the responsibility and the ability to understand it. Second. I don't for a minute think that The Savior didn't know exactly when He was going to return as many belive b/c of a literal interpretation of the scripture "no man knoweth, no not the angles in heaven nor The Son". I think the meaning is pretty close to what Traveler said previously in the thread. It was a way to answer the question w/o answering the question--DIRECTLY. Third, I agree that it really doesn't matter when it is just that we're ready when it happens. Fourth, It was John's mission to provide the most comprehensive version of the last days. His is obviously the most complete and an angel told Nephi as much (1 NE 14: 20-28). So, if you want to understand the last days, The Revelation must be the focus of your studies. and Finally FWIW here's my take of when we currently are in the timeline of the end times (I have a pretty good ppt page that visualizes this but unfortunately I couldn't upload it so I'll just summerize below). Basically the 7th Seal has opend and we're in the 1/2 Hour of Silence right now. - The sign for the 6th Seal has long come and gone. See JST Rev 6:14 - The 7th Seal opend 6 Apr 2000 IMO b/c it was exactly 6000 yrs since Adam entered mortality; there was an unprecidented planetary alignment between Saturn, Venus and Earth (Saturn repesent The Father, Venus represents The Son); the Palmyra Temple was dedicated on this day and it was 1 Nisan of the Hebrew calendar (i.e the 1st day of the 7th month or in other words the begining of the 7th time period) and a holy day in and of itself. - GBH gave his 7 yrs of plenty 7 yrs of famine prophesy in 10 '01 conference and also gave the talk "Living in the Fullness of Tiimes"--both are absolute must reads. The 7 years of famine will end in 2015. 2016 I would expect to be a momentous year. During that year there will be a US presidential election as well as a Juliblee year in the Hebrew calendar (The 6 Day war was fought during the last Jubilee year). It is possible that the Tribulation period spoken of in The Revelation will start in 2016 but most likely will start in 2021 as that will be about 21 years after the opening of the 7th Seal.

Yes. I've built somthing like it from a 5 gal paint can. The "rocket stoves" work quite well and are very efficient with wood. In the experiments I did with the one I built, 2 lbs of wood gave off flame for about 40 mins. The coals of course lasted much longer.

I have just completed building what you asked about in your post. How I came to the conclusion to build this was something like this: As I thought about food storage more and more, I realized that the most common food that can be made from "the basics" was bread. There is only 1 way to make real bread and that is in an oven and there will be no electric ovens during TEOTWAWKI. I researched many different ways and considered various options. I also consider the fuel needed. during one of my internet searches I came across the wood fired brick oven and realized that was my answer for a couple of reasons. To make along story short, I am super happy with my decison to build it. I have made the most incrdible pizzas with it as well as roast chicken--really better than any restaurant you've ever had. there is somthing about the way it cooks that there is nothing really like it. I'm going to start experimenting with bread next. Anyway, I figure that in the case of TEOTWAWKI, I have a profession: village baker. If nothing happens, I will be able to enjoy great entertaining and unique meals. Please let me konw what other quesitons you have but the web site I got my plans from was fornobrovo.com. I suggest you spending some time on that site regardless. If you are considering it, I would say you will be 110% happy with it. I know I am.