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OK, I can maybe buy that interpretation theologically. In practical terms, I guess I don't know since I don't have significant homosexual tendencies, so I would look for input from others who may be following this thread. The answer still seems to get complicated quickly; sexual tendencies in heterosexual marriage, by revelation, enable stronger spiritual connection and personal well-being, and are God-given, whereas enacting the same desires in others who are, by no fault of their own, biologically different, is all of a sudden a sin. Keep in mind that I'm trying to focus my understanding not on the denial side, which has other corollaries with other in-born tendencies, or "crosses to bear", but on the complete (apparent) impossibility of completing the positive action, i.e. that of marrying a person of the opposite sex, procreating, and having a fulfilling family life. I don't see any corollaries for that, so far. And as far as asking Elder Wickman or Oakes their clarification, according to the letter read over the pulpit on Sunday, I'm not allowed to...:)

ElphabaEdit: I just realized the link did not work, and I've corrected it. E. I wonder how what Elder Wickman says relates to the seemingly contradictory doctrine revealed in Alma: Unless the scripture in Alma relates to desires rather than tendencies, but I've never read it that way. I don't know of any revealed doctrine (i.e. canon of scripture) that would support the notion that homosexual (or other) tendencies would not be carried on in the post-mortal existence. That would seem to allow for all of us to give in to our hedonist tendencies today, and live our righteous spiritual lives in the post mortal existence when it is easier. It doesn't appear to be consistent.

I just listened to this presentation - very enlightening. As a amateur statastician, I would like to see the evidence a little more closely - the measurement error while trying to measure my 2D:4D ratio on my own hand was very high :), but he makes a strong case. A lot of the conservative LDS folks focus on the control of behavior. In my church experience, I can say that certainly there are gay men who have testimonies, and can control behavior, although it is a difficult and highly depressing for them. However, it is even more difficult (and depressing not to be able) to keep the other commandments about celestial marriage and multiplying and replenishing the earth, and this is probably the issue that I would like to hear thoughts on in this forum. Many ask why God would cause men to have these tendancies, and answer similarly to Mahonri's answer, which may be correct, but only address the lesser half of the issue. I would like to ask why God would not provide the ability to follow the marriage commandment, if it really is universal. It is like giving Adam and Eve only the first commandment (don't partake of the fruit), while leaving out the second (multiply and replenish). I hope that this issue is not fully revealed or understood yet, and that it may be, in time.