Korrotassa

Its likely been said already. But hey, I gotta say something. That guy sounds like a nuisance. He doesn't sound worthy of any woman, and needs a dose of PrideOff. If I were him- No, bad comparison. If I were him I would have never said something so to someone who's spirit I endangered. If I were you, I would tell him that that is not something to say to someone who he could have doomed for eternity, And that with that boastful statement that he might be right. Your above him quite a bit.

I didn't ask to be judged. I didn't ask for ones overview of Transgenders in general. I asked if I became mtf, If I would basically: be abandoned by the Church. Never again set foot inside a Temple. And never be able to shake hands with the bishop at least while his eyes are full of pride, and compassion as if he thought I was just one of the best youth in the ward. That was my question. Its been answered as well as it could be. So stop fighting in this thread, Selek. If anyone who can sees this; I'd like this thread to be outright deleted if possible.

That was Almost helpful... But that Transgender was apparently mutated at birth. and the "trans" operation was just to correct a valid condition. In which case it was fine. But I am physically a fit male. and have no need other then mental outlook. What I'm asking is Not WHY, But Do they. If I, a healthy male, was to get the operation, Would I still be able to partake of the Sacrament, Get a Temple Recommend, Marry in the temple (Naturally, I think it would still be gay to marry a man, and would look gay to marry a woman. But I'd find a woman who did the same as I.) What Selek said was really my point, All it is would be a Structure change. a New look. I read articles and comments everywhere before I joined here, and realized That none of them were actually LDS. so I came here.

You sound offensive. It annoys me, And I'm pretty sure the post above yours answered why I said that. Doesn't matter. Few seem to have tried to answer this. One person gave something helpful in the least. the rest are questioning other things. I made an account here for this question. I'll have to move on to somewhere else for an answer.

It was exaggerated. From all my digging, It seems Transgenders are excommunicated and can not get temple recommends if they rejoin.

They would probably rely on them telling them. "Oh and by the way, I'm transgender" or already knowing previously.

I wish I as truly female. But as male, I feel great impossibility that I could ever switch. Eternity is a long time. And I doubt we'll be sitting on little clouds playing harps the whole time. at least if we get Celestial. But even so, and many probably agree (heck, I don't want to agree) But switching gender doesn't seem possible. Especially with the whole gender roles (which I dislike, if they wish to fit that role thats fine. But I'd just as gladly have my future partner be some outgoing gal who is into business or something). So, All I wish is to look the part. Look like it. I don't personally don't see any problem with changing apparent gender. And if we don't look the same after we die? More reason why it shouldn't be a problem. They are still the same as before. (However, Personality may change. I know I would be more outgoing and actually go to school public school again.) You'd just be just like that sterile guy down the street, and one of the billions of individual humans all with their own appearance. Yours just being one you can finally be happier with. I'd be fine if the Church wouldn't want to give them priesthood, But Barring the doors to the temple? Thats like saying your doomed to never reach the Celestial Kingdom. Which I guess is what I'm asking so a simple version: Willingly getting a Transgender operation, Would it prevent you from getting to the Celestial Kingdom? The normal problems would be finding a partner, But as long as you don't cross "gay" boundaries.... ? (Such as finding a partner who was female, wanted to look male, so either way, your straight.)

Well, If he was looking for someone in a specific religion, Makes sense to at least make an attempt in a site for said religion. try being the key word.

It Might change. I have no strong feelings on this matter. I just leave room for error. Change in the Spirit is something many people hope for. My Mother hopes desperately to look 20 again, because Pregnancy changed her irrevocably. (She gained... a few pounds that didn't go away) I think it similar as to being dressed as a spirit. We always depict spirits to be clothed. And we even dress the dead in their best. I assume our appearance at Death will be that of our Spirit. And this time on Earth could just as much be a time to craft your body. Notice I keep saying Could. Again, I don't have much view on this. This is why If I get the operation, My only romance will be that of a Woman who took the operation as well. so either way, its straight.

my Being Male is fine I just hate the body that comes with it. If this makes any sense. I liken it to changing clothing. Its just an appearance. But I can change a belt if its uncomfortable. Would changing ones Apparent Gender really effect anything if the subject chooses not to? You become Trans, It doesn't make you gay, unless you were already gay, or Let yourself become gay. I really can't wrap my head around why the Church would show so much dislike to Transgenders. "omg, You don't look like a d00d anymore! Bad, Bad person!" So they throw them in the same group as Murderers and people who truly are horrible (at the time. Even a Murderer can change) But Why. I cannot understand. As I said, the Spirit would remain the same. Its appearance might change to match its body, But its still the same. Just without organs sticking out of their body. The only difference I can come up with is Reproduction.

Yet another troubled young person wandering around the net and through life. My name is not something I let the Internet know, So you can call me Korro. I probably one be too active. But I might. I can't explain the mind of tomorrow today. hmm... I'm 17. Probably a lot more outgoing online then offline. Love Anime, Games. I have strong views and beliefs. I trust the LDS Church, at least more then any other I've seen. And I have seen a lot, I'd spend freetime actually comparing religions. So I can say to the fullest that out of all religions, LDS belief is the best. Many people think I'm an inactive, delinquent, problem child, who is falling away from the Church. But in truth I just have my problems and Judge myself very harsh. I don't view myself as worthy to be in the same room as so many good Saints. I've promised myself that I'd get better over time, and slowly I am... slowly. My one hope is I don't Die before I'm Worthy. Many might think this is bad, But I've long since stopped repenting. I can't anymore. Not until I'm sure I'm sure I can live up to the promise I make each time. I'd rather go a longer stretch without then to repent only to break that promise yet again. Anyway! Depressing talk over, Though I don't socialize much, People say I can be very fun to be around. This is only because my sheer panic in a populated social environment makes things seem to go in slow motion, my mind works fast, and I make witty comments that crack people up. I've got a strong sense of Loyalty. But only if they deserve it. I would never, ever do anything to harm a woman, and if I ever see a male doing so I can easily say I will defend her. I can say this, because I do. Mostly though, I hide at home. Its amazing I don't become a blob of flesh with my life style. I spend most my time on a computer. (Everything of mine is online. Education, Entertainment, Communication, Some of my Best friends.) Yet I've been told I look like a charming prince. I never go out without wearing my best, so the only side most people see is the "Charming Prince" It makes me laugh when I get called that (inside, I'd never laugh aloud at it. they could take offense)

I'd like anyone with a position in the Church to answer this one. Okay... I shall start... hear me out. The Church doesn't look too kindly on Transgenders... why? I hate being male. Not in the fact that I'm male, I just hate my male body. I admire the female form, Not as something lustful, But that it seems more whole. Like a Finished project in a way. I am considering the operation. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. But before I continue thinking this way I need to know everything. Why can't a male who now looks female hold priesthood? I know a guy, perfectly male. But he looks like a chick (if quite flat) only way to tell otherwise would be to de-pants him (wasn't a pleasant sight (totally accidental) ) The way I see it, He's much the same. difference being balls. So a Trans couldn't have babies, Neither could a sterile person either. Their Spirit is the same, is it not? The spiritual energies or what ever that form ones spirit are the same. a Male Spirit. How does changing appearance effect capabilities of holding the priesthood? If I were to get the operation, the only difference in myself would be appearance, and the fact that I would be considerably happier and open to social activities (now that I'd be more confident). I'd still have the same tastes, the same goals. I've considered it, stewed over it. And If I were to be with a woman who became trans, Then no matter how you look at it, the relationship is straight. Is the issue here not Spiritual? But Physical ? In which case the problem is in the way it makes others think about the Church? "I thought chicks couldn't hold the priesthood" "Lol, their such liars. lets stick to being atheists because we are right about everything. lol" I don't want get the operation to escape god-given "Roles", I don't want to get it because I'm secretly gay (I'm not). I simply want a form that I'm more comfortable with. One that doesn't disgust me, Or send me into slight depression. I can't have children? So what, what about the poor abandoned children out there? I will find my joy as a parent through Adoption (which I will do anyway) I really, Really wish I was a True Female (Now, this hurts my pride to say, But it was to the point where I actually cried at the fact that no matter what, I will never be able to experience that life), But That is something that cannot be, I'm not one to abandon roles either. So looking like one, in the form I view as complete, Is good enough for me. But through all this, I still desire the Celestial Kingdom more. If the operation would damn myself from ever reaching it throughout eternity (Which I view as bogus, Eternity is.. well.. Eternity, There has to be a way to reach the top. never in all existence being able to go somewhere because of that one little minuscule frame of time where you were imperfect.). Then I would just continue my dreary life in this flawed form... I'm not one to believe in Damnation, But My belief doesn't make it not true So I'd rather not test it.