stevengodell

It has been said that the writing of the Book of Mormon is clumsy English and this may well be true, but it is perfect Hebrew. THAT alone should stymie some naysayers, especially when backed up by folks such as Avraham Gileadi. Joseph had barely a third grade education, so someone fluent (repeat: FLUENT) in Hebrew would have had to have been the author, if it were a hoax. They could not, however, have anticipated the discovery of names and places in the middle east that have since then vindicated that book. And few books were available on archeology of the middle east and even fewer to Joseph in the Palmyra library, as we have a list extant that shows what he could have read and effectively excludes what he could NOT have read. Steven

The fact that Lehi was descended from Joseph (hence the knowledge of Egyptian) and that we also have several writings on stone in America (written in paleo-Hebrew), and the evidence of their similar abilities and hieroglyph use in stone and in building pyramids, we can easily assume these people were originally from somewhere across the ocean and once had connection with Egypt and the Hebrews. DNA does indeed tie the Sac, Fox and Ojibwa to the middle east, as does the cultural traditions and ceremonies of several, such as the Cherokee and the language of the Ojibwa. The "reformed" Egyptian could have been an approach similar to our Gregg Shorthand or such.

Undeniable Evidence of Muslims and Jews in Precolumbian America - Deeper Things In this link find a post I did on Hebrews and Muslims in America. There is strong WRITTEN evidence they wrote in Hebrew, as well as reformed Egyptian, as the Los Lunas Stone and the Bat Creek Stone would signify. Also, an article years ago in Reader's Digest, called Who Really discovered America? tells of a stone found with the words, "We are Sidonian warriors...etc." Now, the possibility is that the Amazon or the Mississippi would be renamed river Sidon, as Hugh Nibley would attest possible in his work Lehi in the Wilderness and the World of the Jaredites. But it could also signify trans-oceanic voyages with return trips, as is speculated about Solomon's fleets and the gold of Ophir (possibly in America).

Actually, there are numerous finds recorded by non-Mormons. A brief search of the net will bring them up. I have posted some on my blog at deeperthings.webs.com. This link will list several in that vein and a few others that could be of interest to you. Book of Momon Authenticity - Deeper Things Steven

I have to agree with you regarding their nature. While bees are certainly useful, wasps would not be so much, and the Hebraic interpretation of the poisonous horn in FRONT would apply to neither. I, too, have understood the verse to refer to beasts of burden and would guess these exotic two to be mammoths and mastodons, both of which are evidenced to have been concurrent with man on the American continents, both north and south. They would especially be useful to carry, pull, raise and build. As another here has said, the horns (tusks) would be dangerous if not trimmed ot blunted, especially.

I have to agree with you regarding their nature. While bees are certainly useful, wasps would not be so much, and the Hebraic interpretation of the poisonous horn in FRONT would apply to neither. I, too, have understood the verse to refer to beasts of burden and would guess these exotic two to be mammoths and mastodons, both of which are evidenced to have been concurrent with man on the American continents, both north and south. They would especially be useful to carry, pull, raise and build. As another here has said, the horns (tusks) would be dangerous if not trimmed ot blunted, especially.