MauiMormon

"Do you think it is fair that souls who have chosen to be obedient to the commandments of God should inherit all the blessings and rewards promised? Excuse me, but should the swinger, adulterer be allowed to have all the rights, privileges, and power that accompany one who is clean, pure, and worthy to live in the presence of our Father in Heaven. Do you think that this soul would be qualified via learning discipline and obedience in the father's plan. Is the person qualified to handle the responsibility of righteousness that comes hand in hand with receiving all the gifts that the father has." It seems to me that you may fall into the camp of "salvation via works" that unfortunately pervades the church and that people "qualify" through correct living during their lives. as to your question regarding the swinger and adulterers... I refer you to what Christ said to the harlot brought to him and the harlot/hooker who washed His feet. The parable of the laborers is also something to consider. It's that darn line about "being saved by grace after all we can do". Consider for a moment. Does ANYONE do ALL they can do? Ever? Have you ever looked back on even a week in your life and felt you did ALL you could have done? That you couldn't have done anything better? Perhaps the meaning most often used should really be more like we are saved by grace in spite of everything we can do? Lastly I'll comment on something else others have mentioned. There seems to be an idea that everyone who didn't choose Satan's plan (i.e. the 2/3 vs. the 1/3) were "better" than those who did. It seems obvious to me simply because of Cain and other Sons of Perdition that this cannot be true. We do not know WHY individuals chose one plan over the other. I imagine that many if not most of the 1/3 didn't choose the plan that Satan presented because they were evil, rebellious souls but rather that they were scared silly of not being able to make it back because of their own weaknesses and found the guarantee of Lucifer to be quite persuasive. On the other hand I think there were spirits who WERE rebellious who are among the 2/3rd's simply because they WANTED to have the ability to choose for themselves and would never want to be FORCED to be good. Think about it, the MOST rebellious spirit children would never choose to be part of Satan's plan. If they did and Satan then won, (maybe he never could have but those that followed him must have thought there was a chance) they would then never be able to use their agency. Anyway, what I asked the question to see if there was any guidance or clearer doctrine out there but if there is, those kind enough to read my question and respond haven't yet heard of anything specifically.

Dear Mute, Normally my personality (and upbringing by a mother who was a Elementary English teacher) would cause me to respond to your question by saying. "Yes, you may ask why I am asking" or "go ahead and ask". However, since my wife has been a good influence on me (and kicked me under the sheets when I suggested those answers), I will instead answer what I think your question is and tell you of several reasons I put forth my original questions. 1. I am an exceedingly curious man (maybe Hagoth is one of my distant ancestors) 2. I think about stuff a lot since I unfortunately have a lot of time on my hands. 3. It's not that I'm "too lazy" so to speak to do all the research and look up sources and information myself but more that I just know there are people out there who perhaps have already done that and also some who are far more knowledgeable than I am in some areas. (my wife might say that I'm also kinda lazy however) 4. Because I hope not only for those pour souls who might have to go through a long period of misery but also for my own sake that this IS possible. I see no point in suicide with the information that is mostly known at this time. People commit suicide (for the most part) in order to escape or end pain. If you are only trading one type of pain for another or things don't get any better then there really is no point of doing that is there? 5. There are probably some additional reasons, but I'm probably too lazy (at least right now) to think of or articulate them. Thanks everyone for reading already and the responses so far, looking forward to more sharing and knowledge. mm p.s. that avatar isn't really me, just some guy whose expression I happened to find amusing.

Joseph Smith (nor any other latter day prophet) said something like that. There are lots of descriptions however of "what awaits many in the here-after" that are not very rosy.

Hopefully someone here has heard something about this... It is clear that we as mortal beings in this stage of our existence have the option of "when" to end this portion and move on the the next stage. It is part of having agency I suppose and I don't think that we understand a great deal about it at this time. Has anyone ever heard any information that we would have the same ability or agency to decide whether or not to continue any of the other portions of our existence? I just can't quite wrap my head around the fact that there will be certain individuals from this life (sons of perdition) and all the 1/3 host of heaven who followed Lucifer that will be miserable for all eternity. Do they have no chance to END such misery? Ever? From the information I do know, it seems that there are spirits in the spirit world (who have already lived on earth) who experience misery and sadness still. Will they continue to have such times even after the resurrection? Will those in a "lower" kingdom be eternally sorry or sad that they didn't "do better?" Will some be horribly regretful that they are not "living in the celestial kingdom sealed to their family?" What I'd really like to know however is this. Will we have the option to end our spiritual lives? Commit spiritual suicide? And after that "intelligence suicide"? In other words can we really "end it all?" Can we CHOOSE to stop existing and go into nothingness? Just be DONE with it all? I just can't see how some choices made during a very brief mortal life can condemn one for eternity to a kingdom (assuming we are not saved in the highest level of the celestial kingdom) where we have regrets forever. I'm sorry that I am not a very good writer, I'm sure I have mangled what I am trying to say here but hopefully some of you will understand what I'm trying to ask. thanks for reading, MM