Old Tex
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Frank, I sure hope you're not saying that men with good-looking wives don't stray?
My understanding is that ole' Bill don't just "stray", but that he is an agressive preditor.
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Is it just me, or does his head look too big for his body. Is this a "doctored" photo?
Donno, but it looks like her body is almost to big for her dress.
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Hello,
I grew up in Pennsylvania, but lived and taught in Maryland for a few years recently.
I am an atheist turned LDS.
Atheist to LDS....Sounds like quite a jump. I have often wondered if some folks who say that they are atheist really are, of if they just haven't heard anything that makes sense to them yet. I'm glad that you decided to go to the Institute classes.
Isn't Qatar where they are building a huge island shaped like a palm tree?
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Can it be a Democratic Primary party??
Obama '08!
Elphaba
Obama don't stand a chance. The Dragon Lady is going to hand him his head at the primary.
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I believe it's France where an education minister was known to have said, "At any given time of the day I can tell you which textbook our school children are studying, and what page they are on."
No denying the unity a centralized curriculum offers. I'm sure my own faith group's Gospel Publishing House wishes we'd adopt the same approach. :-)
Sorry, PC. I accidently put up a link to an article about the 2008 study material that's being shipped out to all Wards and Branches. I went back and changed it to the link that I wanted about the new internet missionary program.
Indeed, there is something to be said for a centralized program like this. Many LDS travel a lot and attend meetings at whatever Ward or Branch of the Church they are nearest to on Sundays. With a system like this, a member can still receive the same lesson on a given Sunday anywhere in the world if the guidelines are followed as scheduled.
For several years, part of my responsibility in my Ward was to distribute a form to all the leaders in the Ward who would be needing material for the coming year, compile it, and make an order to the Church Distrubution Center via internet by September 1st.
As the material came in (usually in November) I would check the inventory sheet and sort it out depending on which organization it would go to. When it all came in I would distribute it and the organizations would then place it in their locker where they kept their supplies.
It would then be distributed among the Ward members by the leaders of each organization the last of December and everyone would be ready for new classes begining the first Sunday in January. Allowing for a few minor glitches, the system works quite well.
This year, our course of study in the adult Sunday School class is the New Testament. I think it's the Old Testament next year, but I don't know. I don't order the stuff anymore. Some other lucky member does that now.
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This is really interesting.
Additional info...........
http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/v/index.jsp...p;maxResults=10
More info from the Kansas City Star... http://www.kansascity.com/255/story/314657.html
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BIZ: This is amusing, thanks for the laugh!
Of course, the bible is nothing BUT allegory and metaphor. One can learn a lot about human nature, how to live a civil life, and various other tidbits about humans and how we can and should relate to one another, but to believe it to be a LITERALLY TRUE document is pretty goofy and leads to people making these kinds of weird speculative statements. Again, thanks for the morning giggle.
Tell you what Biz, let's continue this conversation in a hundred years and consider your theory then. Maybe I will be able to introduce you around to some of these metaphorical folks.
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I'm not sure who has it better--WA State, or OR. We pay nearly 10% in sales tax, but have no income tax. OR has an income tax, but no sales tax. OR's is more progressive, but I'm guessing my family does better with the sales tax (most foods exempt).
Texas does not have an income tax, but the sales tax is 8%. (or 8.25%). Some Texas politicians have talked about a state income tax for years, but they soon found themselves out of office. A sales tax is a consumption tax and supposedly is easier on us poor folks because we can't afford to buy anything that cost a lot, especially in my case since my oil well in the back yard went dry. (Everybody in Texas has one, you know).
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Robert Reich, the former secretary of labor and author of "Supercapitalism, responds to previous comments made in The Economist:
You might think that Democrats would do something about the anomaly in the tax code that treats the earnings of private-equity and hedge-fund managers as capital gains rather than ordinary income, and thereby taxes them at 15%—lower than the tax rate faced by many middle-class Americans. But Senate Democrats recently backed off a proposal to do just that. Why? It turns out that Dems are getting more campaign contributions these days from hedge-fund and private-equity partners than Republicans are getting. They don't want to bite the hands that feed.
What surprises me is that the pint-size semi-socialist acknowledges that his bedfellow Democrats are the main problem.
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A covenant is between two parties. Prior to the fall the covenants of heaven were established with G-d and man. After the fall the covenants of heaven are still established with man but my point is that if there is no change then there was no fall.
Bold above is mine..... Traveler, I have followed your discussion with Madhatter closely and must admit that it leaves me in confusion also. My understanding parallels what Madhatter has posted, although in some areas I think he has made some conclusions by extrapolation (which, neverless, may be true) instead of hard doctrine.
I think that you are saying above that if there were no change (or changes) in the covenants made during their premortal existence between the Father and his spirit children, then Adam could not have set the stage (via the "fall") for their entrance into the fallen mortal world by taking on bodies composed of mortal elements.
If I have this right, would you point out which covenants made in the pre-fall period had to be changed before the fall could take place? We are all trying to understand the point you are attempting to make.
Thanks, Old Tex
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All fear is spiritual perversion, but no warning is spiritual diabetes.
I agree with the first half of your statement, PC, but do not understand the last part about "spiritual diabetes". Would you elaborate a little so my brain can grasp the meaning?
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Has anyone heard of or read The Left Behind Series? A coworker has lent me the first 4 volumes and I was wondering if it was worth my time.
Well, the primise is that Christ comes, those who are "saved" gets called away in the "rapture" and all the rest of us sinners are left behind to suffer all the bad stuff by the anti-Christ and maybe get killed at Armegedon, and I presume go to hell to burn in a lake of fire forever.
Personally, I can't see myself reading them, because I think things will probably turn out somewhat differently. But, like much of what I heard in my youth, it seems like some folks trying to scare other folks into heaven.
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The name New Zealand originated with Dutch cartographers, who called the islands Nova Zeelandia, after the Dutch province of Zeeland. No-one is certain exactly who first coined the term, but it first appeared in 1645 and may have been the choice of cartographer Johan Blaeu. British explorer James Cook subsequently anglicised the name to New Zealand.- Wikipedia
New Zealand is still part of the British Commonwealth and has strong connections with it still.
If I remember, the British used it as a penal colony to begin with. I guess the bad guys were eventially replaced with mostly good guys.
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I am a convert to the church of 2 and 1/2 years. But I am still trying to bulid my testimony. I have had a recurring question. It is about the role of the Godhead in prayer. In my previous faith the Trinity was taught. So when I would pray I prayed to Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost because of this belief. Now that I know the LDS Church is true I am having a little trouble making sense of the Godheads role in prayer. I know we pray to Heavenly Father (this is what Christ taught us to do). The Holy Ghost can then guides us and let us know the truth of the answers,inspiration, etc we are given. That is only Two of the Godhead active in the prayer....right? I know we pray in the name of Jesus Christ but that does not mean he has an active role right?
Any insite on this?
Sounds like you about have it, but it may help to think about like this....You pray to the Father because He is the Father of your spirit. You send your prayer in the name of Christ because He is your Savior and Redeemer. Then it is the Holy Ghost who brings you Father's answer. That way all three are involved.
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I don't think Earth needed to fall for Gods plan to happen I think Adam and Eve could have come out of their ignorance naturally...
Only problem with that theory is that the scriptures say the opposite.
22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.
24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. (2 Ne. 2:22-25)
The "traditional" Christian world has very little understanding of who Adam was and what his role was in the Plan of Salvation. I've heard some pretty tough sermons against him in my former Baptist church. He gets blamed for everything that's bad that Satan himself don't get blamed for. Latter day Saints, because of modern day revelation, are blessed to know who our first parents really are, and what they really did for us, and pay them the respect and appreciation that they deserve.
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Well I just wanted to follow suit and introduce to those fortunate enough to not know me
I'm Acez. I live in the Land of the Long White Cloud normally known as New Zealand. I am 19 years of age and am currently preparing for a mission. Exciting times :)
Let us know when you find out what mission you will be sent to. Another LDS member and I used to communicate with a young woman who lived on the South Island. This was on a talk forum such as this. We invited her to attend a Ward meeting there and meet the people. The missionaries taught her and she joined the Church. She was excited when she wrote and told us that she was scheduled to give her first talk in Sacrament meeting.
She then moved to a town on the North end of the South Island for a while, but then had to move to a town in the mid part of the island to take care of her mother when her dad died. We eventially lost track of her, but I got a pretty good geography lesson on New Zealand.
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In the Genisis 1/Genisis 2 discussions I haven't seen it mentioned that Genisis 1 is the spiritual creation and Genisis 2 is the temporal creation. The Lord said that he created all things spiritually before He created them temporally. This is why it appears that some things are duplicated.
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One day she tells me she's Catholic, the next day she said she prayed and had a burning in her bosom that the LDS church is true, and the next day she said she's thinking about becoming Baptist.
I don't mention these things as an attack on her, but so that everyone is informed if they wish to continue talking with her or responding to her posts.
I think she has decided that the LDS Church is "too legalistic", and not liberal enough and she is now going to the United Methodist church. I think that the young lady has some real problems that she is having to deal with in more than just the area of religion. I hope she has someone that's helping her.
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Yes, I do agree with this. I don't understand how genealogy is involved.
I believe that having children is a blessing BUT it is not a substitute for missionary work NOR will it speed up the second coming.
Your last sentence raises a question that I've had on my mind lately, the idea of speeding up or slowing down the second coming. I don't wish to take this thread off topic, but I thought I would mention it. It seems to me that the second coming is not determined so much by time itself, as it is by conditions.
While missionary work seems to be one of those conditions, I see that the mortal birth of all those promised a body and a time in mortality, as another condition. Can the second coming occur until those who kept their first estate receive a body? Personally I don't see how it can.
If it can't, that seems, in my mind, to explain why abortion and homosexuality is on the rise. If I were Satan, and the second coming could not come to pass until those promised bodies received them, I think that I would be doing everything that I could to prevent it from happening. I wonder if others have considered this. It sure seems to me as a very good reason to oppose both of them. I think this is the work of one of those unseen principalities that Paul spoke of that we should oppose.
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Call the Home Teachers and ask for a blessing.
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Net or Gross? ..........This has been a decision many have struggled with. I heard something a long time ago that help me decide. "Do you want Net blessings or Gross blessings"?. My wife and I talked it over and choose Gross blessings, That's what it's been for us the last 45 years. Not always easy, but we are glad we choose it. We have been greatly blessed, both financially and spiritually.
Good for you. That still does not make it wrong for others to choose to pay on their net or for a home-based business owner or a farmer to figure in business expenses or losses into the equation. It also does not make your way of figuring it any better than those who choose to figure it differently.
BTW, not to say that you are that way, but the whole "net blessings or gross blessings" thing smacks of self-righteousness. It sounds to me like you have chosen a higher level of blessings when in fact, everyone who pays a full tithe no matter how they figure it will share the same blessings, in my opinion. The big thing, in my mind, is the reasons why a person pays tithing, not how much they pay or how they figure it. That's where the blessings will be based, in my opinion.
When I said gross I was speaking of wages earned. Of course if one is in business all business expenses will need to be deducted to get the net on the business, which will be the gross for the business owner, assuming that it is a one owner business.
I never saw anything that I would call self rightous about one's decision to pay on their gross earnings. It was said to me in jest, but it is an option that I choose because it is the one I felt that I should choose. From what I have heard, I think this is what most folks in my ward have chosen also.
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Net or Gross? ..........This has been a decision many have struggled with. I heard something a long time ago that help me decide. "Do you want Net blessings or Gross blessings"?. My wife and I talked it over and choose Gross blessings, That's what it's been for us the last 45 years. Not always easy, but we are glad we choose it. We have been greatly blessed, both financially and spiritually.
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Thank you so much everyone. I spent a lot of time yesterday pondering this and I decided that I will begin paying my own tithing on my own income as soon as I earn it.
Daisy,
From a "bookeeping" point of view, I suggest that you see your Ward Clerk and have him to set you and your husband up in the computer to record yours and his tithing seperately. If you don't, whatever you pay in will go into the same "joint" account that you and he are paying into now and you won't be able to tell which is which at tithing settlement time. If at some future date you decide to combine the accounts again, the computer has the ability to do it.
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Okay I am really struggling to have faith here. I guess you could say that I used to have the faith of a child....all believing, all knowing, all trusting. Now I feel that faith been shaken as I realize that our leaders do make mistakes, are not perfect, give bad advise, etc.
I have also been pondering the mysteries of the Lord and why he would allow pologamy, not give blacks the priesthood, etc and if all this "revelation" was just shortcomings on man's part. But at the same time it is said that the Lord will not allow the church to be led astray. So I don't know.
Anyway, I came across this yesterday (yes, I'm behind!) and it just jumped out at me....It's Mormon Chapter 9 verse 9 and 10 in paticualar but the whole chapter really.
To save time I won't type it all here, but what do you all think of this in relation to what I said above?
Below are the two verses you speak of....... (First, I'm sorry that there is one big paragraph below. I have it broken into four, but it just won't show up here that way.)
9 For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no cvariableness neither shadow of changing?
10 And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then have ye imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles. Indeed, this is true, but Moroni is not speaking about what "changes" that may be needed in the Church today. God has a timetable for this earth. When the time comes for certain things to happen, He will bring them about. When the time for the Jews to come out of Egypt they were brought out by Moses and God gave them the lower law. When it was time for Christ to come into the world and provide the Atonement, He did that. When it was time for the gentiles to receive the gospel, Peter was given the revelation to that effect. When it was time to restore the gospel, Joseph Smith received the revelation to re-establish the Church. When Joseph received the revelation on plural marriage, he introduced it and when it was time to discontinue it, it was discontinued. Likewise, when it was time for all worthy males to receive the Priesthood, that revelation was given. The Lord is building His Church in preparation for His second coming. Just because He makes changes in it when it is time for them in order to "perfect the saints" this does not mean that He is changable in His holiness, perfection, and promises. He is the same in them. This is what Moroni was saying. It is good that you found this and that it has brought questions to your mind. These are the same steps that others go through during their growth in the gospel. This is what helps build a testimony. Many are the times that the same thing would happen to me. The answer did not always come right away, but it would eventially come. It will for you too.
Edited to add: I also reccommend Blacklds.org in case you haven't been there.
Listen To The Generals......the Dishonest Harry Reid
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After reading this I said to myself, "That sounds like a piece out of the Salt Lake Tribune", and I scrolled back up to the top to see what paper it was from. Sure enough, it was the Salt Lake Tribune, one of the most liberal, anti-mormon newspapers I've ever read from.