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by the way everyone im Dan :) , nice to meet you all . im 22

REALLLLY?

By the high level of your argumentation, Idda sworn that you were 23.

hmm 23 in october, :) that better bump me up some "levels"

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Hello Dan,

I am just learning so take my words about the LDS faith for what they are worth. As for the concept of omniscience, from what I've gathered here, some people believe that God attained omniscience through development. He eventually attained all knowledge through continued growth. Is that correct all?

Thanks

hey Dt T :)

God attained omniscience through development. He eventually attained all knowledge through continued growth

and thats the problem if thats what their opinion is.......

there is not even one scripture that supports the veiw that God progressed in understanding or obtained knowledge through growth, not one.

Gods understanding is infinite

God has always been perfect

Have a great day :)

Dan

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am thankful for the Bible and every inspired word in it. I beleive it to be the word of God and should be studied, often. And I hope that you can come back often

may I also sugest a trip to LDS.org and maybe a look at the thirteen articles of faith as kind of a starting point for some one who is going to show us darn Mormons the errors in our ways?

Don't worry, there will be plenty to argue about when you get back.

I think that, that was the natural man in me, coming out. I'm sorry for being rude. And please don't take it wrong when I say that I can not see were any of the scriptures that you have presented above have any thing to do with the point I was making. Your unworthy freind, Allmosthumble

perhaps you should read the bold of the scriptures cited, they are examples of Gods omniscience thus voiding the concept that God "progresses" period.

For someone who believes the bible is the word of God. you dont read alot?

I dont need to read LDS articles of faith to show the "darn" mormons the "errors" of their ways

(which is not my intentions just your opinion formed by the two posts I have written! )

the bible does a great job by itself for showing what mormonism is. should we look at just 1 example?

Mormonism......

Jesus is the spirit brother of satan * Mormon Doctrine, p. 163

The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," *Mormon Doctrine, page 192.

The Holy Bible.....

Jesus created all things that have been made without him nothing was made that has been made, *John 1:3

that includes Satan unless you dont think hes a creation?? and since Jesus made him, then how can they be

brothers??

just off the bat we have a contridiction........ cant both be right........

by the way everyone im Dan :) , nice to meet you all . im 22 from Wellington , New Zealand. Im new to these boards. as you can see by my few posts, and profile. few free to shoot any questions you may have.

when dialoguing, I will treat you as you ought to be treated. with Gentleness and respect. and I ask for the same in return.

Cheers :)

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Thanks Monica. I agree with what you posted. What about eternal progression? Did God ever have a time when He was not perfect? Is He, as some have said, “continuing to learn?”

Hi Dr T;

I hope that Monica will allow me to give this a shot.

There was a time that God was like man is now. He progressed through learning untill he had all knowledge. When he gained all knowledge, he became spiritualy complete or perfect (the word perfect being translated from the Hebrew word taleos, meaning to be completed).

Part of His spiritual learning was to learn and except, truths that have always been. This is not the end of his progression because he is now creating more spirits who will some time in the future, inhabit a world much like ours. At this time, the only learning that our Father in Heaven is doing, is getting to know the new spirits that he is creating. He progresses by bringing to pass the eternal live of man.

There is no way to surpass our Father in Heaven, because any glory we add to our self's, is added to the Father.

This is the best, short version of what I read in Doctrines of Salvation.

Thanks - Allmosthumble

Hi allmosthumble :)

Thanks for sharing the mormon point of view. perhaps we should look at the inspired word of God (the bible) and see what that says

**Firstly God the father is not a man.

**Secondly God has not progressed in any means or sorts in regards to learning etc God is Omniscient and has always been , for he does not change.

Numbers 23:19

God is not a man, that he should lie,

nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.

Does he speak and then not act?

Does he promise and not fulfill?

John 4:24

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

1 Timothy 6:15-16

which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen

Malachi 3:6

I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

Psalms 102:25-27

In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,

and the heavens are the work of your hands.

They will perish, but you remain;

they will all wear out like a garment.

Like clothing you will change them

and they will be discarded.

But you remain the same,

and your years will never end.

Psalm 139:1-4

O LORD, you have searched me

and you know me.

You know when I sit and when I rise;

you perceive my thoughts from afar.

You discern my going out and my lying down;

you are familiar with all my ways.

Before a word is on my tongue

you know it completely, O LORD.

Psalm 147:5

Great is our Lord and mighty in power;

his understanding has no limit.

Isaiah 46:10

I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.

I say: My purpose will stand,

and I will do all that I please.

Amen to God being perfect Monica. :) and thanks for great scriptures

per·fect (pûrfkt) Perfect

precisely accurate or exact;

being complete of its kind and without defect or blemish;

Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind

Excellent and delightful in all respects

Dan

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I can't believe what I'm reading...

Thats ok. Im not asking you to.

I don't normally do this, as I am not one for visiting graves, etc., but I know a great many people who do. My cousin recently was very grief-stricken when my grandmother passed away. She talks with her and gets a very peaceful feeling

I see nothing odd. about letting ones thoughts remember those who have gone etc and finding comfort in those memories. but if you think its two way. you talk to them , they talk to you. and help you in whatever means, then thats a problem.

Isaiah 8:19

When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

I understand many people do not use mediums and spiritists etc, but the example set for us is still in this scripture. should not a people inquire of their God??. why consult the dead on behalf of the living

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ok, I can't sit back and let that one go..... "aren't to speak to anyone who has passed on"? That is the very first time I have ever heard anything like that in my life.

I am sure that the Bible is not talking about "talking" to those who have passed on in the sense that you are referring to. I think it's a total different thing to "talk" to a relative or a friend who has passed on.... knowing that their spirit is there to hear you and to comfort you

hi :)

How do you know that their spirit is there to hear you and comfort you??

The only spiritual comforter I know of is the Holy Ghost, who bears wittness of Jesus.

If you indeed are "talking" to dead people and under the assumption that they hear you and comfort you, then you are speaking/communicating with the dead. which is a big no no. period.

in times of hardship etc. we seek the lord. our protection strength guidence , Comfort etc etc come from him.