kich
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Look, I really really do not want this to devolve into another prop 8 debate. The question was about, does having a dissenting view regarding gay marriage disqualify someone from having a temple recommend under the question about sympathizing with groups that are contrary to the church even though the person still has a vibrant testimony of the gospel and sustains church leaders. But it appears that my memory of the question is flawed. Obviously, from the way the responses are going I am simply going to have to take the plunge and ask my Bishop. I'll report back what he says on the matter.
edit: when did the thank you buttons go away on this section of the forums? Sadness. NM, they didn't load for some reason and now they are. Weird.
Sorry. I didn't mean to help derail this into another Prop 8 discussion. I've said my peace on the subject and I'll refrain from saying more.
Basically, I don't think your belief on Prop 8 will matter one way or the other, as long as you are not practicing homosexuality yourself. Having sympathy with groups contrary to the church won't bar you from anything.
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But of course, this is false. No one is forcing anyone to live a certain lifestyle.
If you are preventing gay couples from enjoying marriage, you are in fact preventing them from living the lifestyle that they choose. You are forcing them into living our notions of marriage.
I've had enough transgendered and homosexual friends to know that their open existance doesn't harm us in the least. It's a different lifestyle I don't approve of, but I can't call myself a moral God-abiding citizen if I didn't protect their rights with the same fervor as I would any Tithe-paying Mormon.
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I did not see anything in prop. 8 about attempting to make homosexuality illegal.
Agreed, it's about barring them from marriage. However, the only parts of marriage which we see is their outward display of affection, which is what I mentioned.
As such, my statement still stands. Since it is not a victimizing crime, and since gay marraige does not infringe upon our rights as hetrosexual religious beings, there is no logical reason to disallow the marriage of a same-sex couple.
Put simply, we do not have the right to infringe upon their actions simply because they offend us. We need to teach our children tolerance for differing beliefs, not to strike down what they don't believe in.
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Then so is pushing laws that force our beliefs on others regarding rape, murder, and income tax evasion. If what you say is true, then these, too, are an infringement on our precious, God-given gift of Free Agency.
No need to be facetious.
All three of the laws you mentioned are designed to prevent actions which cause tangible harm upon another person or group of persons. Gay marriage is not a victimizing crime, and it is impossible to spin it as such.
My seeing two men holding hands or displaying affection for each other doesn't harm me in the least. It won't harm the sanctity of my marraige to my wife or my family either.
It's easier for me to avert my eyes than to force people I don't know to live a lifestyle they don't desire. I consider it to be more morally right as well.
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Here's my $0.02 on the matter:
Though I believe that homosexuality is a sin, I won't lift a finger to oppose it either. Pushing laws that force our beliefs on others is ignoring God's gift of Free Agency.
They need to choose the right path of their own free will, not because the law says they can't do it. Free Agency necessitates the choice to choose either way.
As far as I know, the Church doesn't push it's political views upon it's members in such a way. They'll ask you if you've ever engaged in homosexual relations, not whether you support others' rights to do so.
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I'm sorry to hear this. My grandmother is a childhood friend of hers.
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I did not ask either of my wife's parents.
However, one wasn't very prominent in her life and the other wanted me to basically convert to her brand of Christianity to win her respect, so I didn't see it necessary.
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I would dare say it's not strong guys, but wimps thinking that an attempt at being invulnerable is a machismo type of strength, which is a very big lie.
Popular media teaches our males that violence, bravado and frequently using homophobic slurs are the mark of a true man.
It's sad, really, when boys grow up thinking that they can't display any feelings. It's a perpetuating cycle that ends up hurting their kids someday.
Opening up is not a sign of weakness, no matter how often you've been burned.
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We have a date night every Sunday. Usually I will cook a nice meal, consisting of whatever my wife is in the mood for, and she will cook the desert, which is whatever we both like.
Sometimes I will download a movie that she wants to watch, or we will go walk the beach.
Sometimes our date nights are as simple as looking around home improvement stores for ideas or playing video games.
We've found that a date night is more about our frame of mind than what we do.
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One thing we've started to do is to dehydrate canned vegetables when they're getting close to their 'sell-by' date. Beats throwing them away.
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I'm curious how this works. I've seen missionaries accounts and they were Gmail, not Hotmail.
What trickery is this? :tongue:
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Mahone you are getting married in 2 months. That's when the debt starts. :)
That's certainly when we accrued all of ours.
Then came the baby, and the house, and the...
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Ha you were in the modern age. I remember typewriters that you had to move the carriage over to go to the next line.
How about the foot-pedal-driven sewing machine tables? Remember those?
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I wonder what she's going to think about DVD's...er.... Blu-ray's.
"You mean... you actually store data on physical mediums? I don't get it!"
We've already moved all our movies and books away from physical medium. Kids have a natural talent for destroying books and dvd's.
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I started my food storage years ago, when I was working at McDonalds. I would buy one more can or box of food that I normally eat and keep it in a separate cupboard.
Starting like that, it becomes easier to get a storage plan started for less than $5 a week.
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I think you want to say your husband doesn't do what you want him to do.. That's what you are trying to say!! Okay then why don't you report against him in the police?
I'm lost as to how this would help in this situation...or how it is even possible to do.
I think that a form of compromise could help in this situation. He can watch his shows or movies during certain times, free from criticism, and in return he honors your wishes when you are spending time together.
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Many ideas that Man thinks are amazing problem-solvers come with unintended consequences.
In this case, there is a reason why we almost exclusively practice monogamy, even across different societies and cultures. Full lifetime partnerships, not this "fast food" mentality of the quick n' easy temporary marraige.
I would lump this idea in the same basket as open marraiges and homosexual unions: they work for many people, but I'm certain there are consequences which won't be known until it's been practiced openly for a couple decades.
We shouldn't think we know better than 10,000+ years of human development just because we're the most advanced society to ever exist here.
LDS Scriptures for the Kindle
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There are BoM ebooks on the Kindle store that are free, and it made a difference in how we read our scriptures since in one instance each passage is separated by a line.
Now we've all got tablets, but it helped when we were all using our Kindles. They can be amazing tools.