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  1. pauls words not mine. anyway, paul and many other early christians thought they lived in the end times, so no need to have babies as for those who think it applies to certain members of clergy, i would say 1st, i dont think that is compatible with what he says and how he says it, 2nd - the lds gospel considers marriage and families to basically be the best path for everyone\
  2. i concede my example from Jesus is weak, but the chapter written by paul is too detailed and clear. i dont see how it can be denied
  3. i am not interested in arguing with someone who jumps to conclusions, but to clear the record for the other users, i posted one thread on marriage and i am not personally opposed to marriage. one of the responses to that thread brought up another question in my mind that i wanted to ask. if someone wants to respectfully ask why im interested in answers to these questions, they may do so
  4. in order to get into the highest level of the celestial kingdom, you have to be married, so doesnt that mean the children who are sealed to their parents, but never get married, cannot enter the highest level of the Celestial? and if the child does get married and do everything else that is required to enter the highest level of the Celestial, wouldnt they be with everyone in the celestial including their families? so doesnt a seal between parents and children pretty much do nothing, or am i missing something?
  5. Paul goes on about it for pretty much a whole chapter (and i think another time in some other book) in great detail - i think it speaks for itself. saying it is only about widows takes it out of context. he even specifies about virgins 5 times and also says "He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife". so he is very clear why he is celibate and supports it for others. and eunuch just refers to those who dont or cant have kids
  6. do you interpret these passages differently than i do? because to me its clear jesus and paul promote the idea of not having families Matthew 19:10-12 "His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." and in 1 Corinthians 7, Paul teaches that it's better for those in the church to not marry, unless being single would cause you to fornicate outside of marriage: "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.........For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn........But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.......He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife........The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction. But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.......So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better......" another question i had is can the unmarried people in the celestial kingdom get married to each other so they can enter into and participate in the highest level of the celestial kingdom?
  7. Q 1. lds tend to base their faith on personal experiences, but aside from things relating to personal experiences/revelation/feelings, what do you consider the most convincing pieces of evidence that the lds church is true? Q 2. do you think there are any circumstances under which a religion can be proven false using experiments or observations? such as finding contradictions, failed prophecies, anachronisms, not receiving answers to prayer, etc Q3. for those who insist there is no way to know that a religion is true (or false) without revelation and insist to "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding", i ask - arent all of our beliefs ultimately based on our own understanding? for example, even if god were to appear in front of us and tell us something directly, dont we use our own judgement in whether or not it actually was God? even if you knew it was god, that knowledge would be based on your own understanding
  8. my first question is why do lds use the kings james version over any other. over time, havent we been able to create more accurate translations than king james's translators were able to? (also, using plain modern english) 2nd, if the church doesnt like any other translation more than the KJV, doesnt the church think they can improve upon it by making their own? 3rd, if the church always has a modern day prophet, why hasnt god ever equipped any of his prophets with the means to create a flawless version of all biblical text word for word? wouldnt that be worth doing?
  9. (im talking more about rational challenges than emotional ones)