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  4. Christianforums

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    Originally posted by Traci+Jul 28 2004, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Traci @ Jul 28 2004, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--restornu@Jul 28 2004, 02:15 PM

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    Now, that is irrefragable.

    It is Reformed English B)

  8. Christianforums

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    Originally posted by Jenda+Jul 25 2004, 02:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jenda @ Jul 25 2004, 02:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by -restornu@Jul 25 2004, 12:19 PM

    <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Jul 24 2004, 10:16 PM

    Sort of like what Serapha is doing here right now as it is obvious that she is not here to discuss anything.

    Does that mean I can't drop in and say "hi" to you?

    On the contrary, I have been waiting for you to drop back by.

    Why am I still on "Mother May I" posting? Can't carry on a dialogue that way.

  10. Joseph - Our Beloved Prophet

    in LDS Gospel Discussion

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    Originally posted by sgallan@Apr 1 2004, 08:08 AM

    Restornu -

    Dottie has had some health problems but seems to be doing fine now. .

    sgallan-

    Glad to hear the Dotster is doing better. I have fond regards for her. She was the first moderator to ever suspend me. (Kinda brings a tear to my eye.) We grew to be friends. She's cool. I appreciated her ability to mederate witth a great sense of humor.

    I kinda miss the folks over there: Scott Quantz, "Biceps" Bob, etc. Maybe, Your Gadfly will have to visit over there.

  11. Joseph - Our Beloved Prophet

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    Originally posted by Starsky+Apr 1 2004, 12:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starsky @ Apr 1 2004, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--restornu@Mar 31 2004, 10:27 PM

    But could he remember all of his anniversaries ???

    Is that a bashing of our prophet?...

    Nope.

  12. Joseph - Our Beloved Prophet

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    Originally posted by Snow+Mar 31 2004, 11:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Mar 31 2004, 11:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--porterrockwell@Mar 31 2004, 08:48 PM

    The prophet was very athletic, and very strong, he probably coulda played in the Big Leagues(Baseball) had he been alive in the 40's and 50's as a 20-30 year old.

    That's right. He probably could have jumped over the Empire State Building, towed the Queen Mary with his teeth, and bowled a perfect game.

    But could he remember all of his anniversaries ???

  16. What Is Anti-Mormon?

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    Originally posted by naomi@Mar 27 2004, 08:30 PM

    Who am I?  Please let me know.  I would be terribly curious to know my cyber alter identity (I did not know I had one but hopefully he or she is a lot more "fun" than I am).  :o

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    I love cats, but I have a dog's brain

  17. What Is Anti-Mormon?

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    Originally posted by Snow@Mar 27 2004, 01:16 AM

    Restornu,

    Sounds to me that someone is cutting and pasting from squirrely xtian websites too much without stopping to read just how goofy the quotes are. Take the absurd quote from Wescott. I know that in his day, he was a churchman or some note but now the guy just sounds like a sad clown. He thinks that the resurrection is better supported by evidence than any other historical event?

    Excuse me but that is quite possibly one of the stupidist things ever said.

    Think of the US revolution (which was history at the time Wescott was writing) There are countless accountsed contemporary, independent, verifiable, unbiased, eyewitnessed accounts of what happened from 1000's and 1000's of people.

    On the other hand, the evidence for the ressurection = zero.

    Gosh Restornu, zero vs countless. Your not a math guru are you?

    BF Westcott and FF Bruce are recognized scholars in the field whose writings have stood academic scrutiny for decades. Yet you consider pronouncing them "stupid" as a sufficient response.

    Guess you just gotta keep them shoes dancing.

    BTW, the quotes were not cut and pasted from a website. They were cut and pasted from personal research notes. I own the books they came from and I have read the entire books they came from. So your comment...

    Sounds to me that someone is cutting and pasting from squirrely xtian websites too much without stopping to read just how goofy the quotes are.

    ... is a false conclusion.

    Guess you just gotta keep them shoes dancing.

    Restornu

  18. What Is Anti-Mormon?

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    B. F. WESCOTT, cited by Paul Little in Know Why You Believe, p. 30.

    “Indeed, taking all the evidence together, it is not too much to say that there is no historic incident better or more variously supported than the resurrection of Christ. Nothing but the antecedent assumption that it must be false could have suggested the idea of deficiency in the proof of it.”

    F. F. BRUCE, The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?, p. 15.

    “The evidence for the New Testament writing is ever so much greater than for many writing of classical authors, the authenticity of which no one dreams of questioning... And if the New Testament were a collection of secular writings, their authenticity would be regarded as beyond all doubt.”

  19. What Is Anti-Mormon?

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    Originally posted by Snow+Mar 26 2004, 11:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Mar 26 2004, 11:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by -restornu@Mar 26 2004, 05:37 AM

    <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Mar 25 2004, 10:07 PM

    Restornu,

    Do you think we just fell of the parsnip truck?

    “It would never enter anyone’s head, to ask whether Jesus had lived, unless before asking the question the mind had been darkened by the wish that he had not lived.”

    (Roderic Dunkerley, Beyond the Gospels, 29-30)

    I think I that I can safely state, without fear of disagreement, that Roderic Dunkerley is a big freaking idiot.

    Besides which Restornu, the point is not whether Jesus lived, the point is whether there is any evidence for it. You acted like there was but you were mistaken. Now, do you have some real evidence or are you going to put up more goofy quotes that make no sense.

    Seriously, that quote was inane, demonstrably false and inane. Oh, did I already say inane?

    There is more historical evidence for the life of Christ than most of the historical personages of comparable antiquity. Read Habermas' book and Please leave the snide comments behind.

  20. What Is Anti-Mormon?

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    Originally posted by Snow@Mar 25 2004, 10:07 PM

    Restornu,

    Do you think we just fell of the parsnip truck?

    “It would never enter anyone’s head, to ask whether Jesus had lived, unless before asking the question the mind had been darkened by the wish that he had not lived.”

    (Roderic Dunkerley, Beyond the Gospels, 29-30)

    Can you provide independent proof you were ever on a parsnip truck?

    Restornu

  22. What Is Anti-Mormon?

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    Originally posted by Maureen+Mar 25 2004, 01:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maureen @ Mar 25 2004, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--porterrockwell@Mar 25 2004, 10:28 AM

    ...I can prove that a man named Jesus walked the earth...

    Okay prove it without using any LDS canonized scripture. Any secular source independent of the gospels from the NT would be great.

    M.

    Cornelius Tacitus (AD 55-120):

    “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and afflicted the most exquisite torture on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius ant the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome...” (Annals, AD115)

    Flavius Josephus (AD 37-97):

    “At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. His conduct was good and he was known to be virtuous. And many people among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them in three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive; accordingly he was perhaps the Messiah, concerning who the prophets have recounted wonders.” (Antiquities, AD 90-95)