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Im not the truth seeker here, and nothing a search probably wouldnt uncover. All i will say is there is a gentalman who does a radio show, and is known for memorizing bible scripture. As he learned the bible, he also came into contact with the differences in bibles, and had to learn what was different. He now has two thousand different bibles in his collection, all in english i believe. There are normally two kinds of people, and one being the truth seeker who takes what they hear and looks for evidence, or a disputer who points out pobable overexageration. The holy spirit has one purpose only, and thats to confirm the word of God. The word of God being what is written in the bible, which may or may not have been changed or left out. The word of God being the inspired word of God by the spirit of God or one in the same, the holy spirit. To use the purpose of the holy spirit or one in the same recieve the inspired word of God is to question the right and proper use of what is written and translated. To know this is true one in the same as following Jesus even as the apostles did, is to see Jesus as the example. In other words doing what Jesus did by following the holy spirit, that is the helper he promised us. Being that the purpose of the holy spirit is to confirm the word of God, by the inspired word given by the spirit, one in the same, is to be transformed by that spirit even by the glory of God. 2 Corinthians: 3 JKV. Since the holy spirit is to confirm the word of God in its intended meaning, and transformation is to follow even as Jesus showed those transformation within his mission for God. Transformations being and meaning conversion, one in the same, conversion by means of the holy spirit for those who care to know the truth. Those who care for their salvation. Baptism by fire is nothing more than conviction, and anyone can be convicted by their own beliefs. This is also known as slain in the spirit, laying on of hands. One in the same. The born again experaince is coming to know through trial and error to be christ like, in other words we are not perfect, and cant do it with our own power. When we come to recognize the truth behind forgiving others, and being forgiven because we are pwerless to change on our own. The combination of knowing things stand on our way, and we must learn from God to be christ like brings about the born again experaince through conviction of our hearts. No matter what church this takes place in, its always the same seeing someone change, and miracles happen with them. They may stop smoking, drinking, gambling in a blink of an eye, never to have those addictions again. This being part of the transformations and only the first steps in changing, and God converting those who with to be saved. Converting is actually changing from what you are into what your going to be, and this isnt only by the spirit, but in real life to. So those transforming by means of the holy spirit seeking the truth for their salvation will all come to the same thoughts, and to the same place. This is a very different view than most would like us to know.

There have been two thousand different bibles written for different reasons, and some bibles are written for different denominations, and each denomination teachs doctrines differently. Some doctrines put books into the bible and others leave books out, and some change the wording around to fit better what they are saying it means. If they all do this, then how would anyone know who is telling the truth, let alone where the holy spirit is? Maybe to answer this question we have to look at what we are tought by them, and see that most of us are lead to believe God can do, or does whatever he thinks in order to get done what he wants. In this case i dont think that it matters as to who is right or where the holy spirit is, but if God is like a father to us and has sets of rules for us, then it would matter. Then it would be a question as to would God do anything he wouldnt let us do? With our freedom we grow up, and find our own interests. We find our nitch in life that works best for us, and normally religon isnt on the top of the list for us. We learn and we specialize in what we do best, and leave religon as a novalty. We may be interested in God, and salvation, and listen intently to those who seem to know what they are talking about, but dont actually know for sure if what they say is true or not. We put those things in our filing system to see what else may come of it, and over time may even be brainwashed into believing things that are not true though we do not know it. For those who have had that born again experiance, and know God if real and feel blessed are those who are the hardest to convince their church may not be true, or their faith is carnal. Healers dont heal, and churchs dont save, God does, Jesus does. God comes first, then everything else is added to it, not that we should seek our own special interest as carnal man does then add God to it, because then the damage has been done by us and we are stuck in the state of being we made for ourselves. This rule was said by Jesus when a wealthy young man wanted to join him and his group of apostles, but the man couldnt give up what he had. When i was a child, i thought like a child, and i acted like a child for childish reasons, but when i grew up i put childish things away. I put childish things away as i learned the reasoning i had to do what was asked of me by doing those things myself or putting myself in their shoes. In reality i contradicted myself from childhood, and now see it from a new viewpoint. The choices i made for my own selfish reasons where for me alone and not everyone, and one choice building upon another makes a path to its own destinations. The final outcome is not where i inteded myself to be because i was reactive, and not active or proactive. Was it the lack of explanation? Was it the lack of knowing what to do? Was it a lack of my parents? All i know is that where im at is because of what i did, and what i believed. Once i put my views in proper order and replaced my parents with God, and their guidence with the holy spirit was when i recieved my answers to correct my points of view. At one time in my life i was going to be married, though i was interested in another women. I thought i would read the bible and see what it had to say about things, and you know it just didnt say much to convince me of anything on the subject of being married. I thought that if i were to be married and then if i didnt like it could change what i was doing, and the bible didnt give anything for this except its possible. I was friends with this other women for a short time, and i wanted to do what was right. I thought that maybe God could help me with this as i was looking for the right person for me. I asked God to show me what to do, and told him i would look for him in church the next sunday. I was going to a assembley of God type church at the time. During the week i had a dream of this other women and myself flying a old type air plane with a stick controler, and as i looked ahead i saw a brand new shinny jet aircraft. I could see this other women through the glass on her air plane, and wondered who was flying the jet. She flew off into another direction and vanished, so i went to see who was flying the jet. When i got there i saw that no one was flying the jet, and the jet had light up bottons flashing and was flying in auto pilot. I had gone over to my mothers during the week and told her what i was doing, and told her of the dream, and when the next sunday rolled around i went to church to find my answer. The church was buzzing around, and i was looking around for a dream interpreter and couldnt find one. I thought it was strange i couldnt find a dream interpreter because this is a biblical concpet and should be a part of any church. Normally that church had the spiritual gifts part before they had guests speak but this day they had skipped it to get their speaker up on the pulpit. A evangalist stood up and said i have a very important messege for you, and said the following...... When we fly a air plane we need a owners mannual... (holding up the bible) he said..... if we fly our air plane without a owners mannual we might fly into the side of a mountain, that we were not like the holy spirit that could automatically avoid obsticals. I shrank down in my seat as this man was looking for someone, looking around the crowed. I got a bad feeling about it, and thought about what was going on. What was between God and myself was between God and myself, and not everyone else. As i sat there and thought about it, and what i saw happen put together what God wanted me to see, as the two sides came together to meet in one place. The side from heaven, the dream, and the earth side. It just plain meant to follow the holy spirit, nothing more and nothing less. It wasnt untill later that i figured out my mother must have said something and this was what came about because of it, but it didnt matter to me as long as the true meaning came to me. Follow the holy spirit because it automatically avoids obsticles eventhough i can avoid them. Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven. Just as the dream had shown me the other women left, and being of a carnal nature was only interested in herself and what she was after. I was married and divorced in a short time for the same reason. It didnt have anything to do with what church i went to, nore who i listened to. It had everything to do with reading the bible and praying for answers to go in the right direction with my life. I have always found this very hard to do because i dont know anyone who has done what is done in the bible, and as i was shown couldnt help but make mistakes because of that. The one thing i wanted to point out was that some people have very active imaginations, though im not one of them. Its either you have the holy spirit or its your imagination. How many times over the years of the dozens of time this took place in my life did i ask myself if this was my imagination? Many times. I do know that whatever way God speaks it has a biblical view to it, and not unlike the blind man who has to come into full contanct with the world in order to know what to do. The blind man cannot always avoid doing wrong, and depends on the curcomstance than anything. Each person has chosen how they are going to get what they want out of life, cheat, steal, lie, work hard, be sneaky, work smarter and all depending on how much tollerance and patience they have. They grew up with how they chose to be, and acted on it. Depending on the individual some do never change, and remain childlike in their nature, or carnal self than others, and some learn and grow beyond this coming into contact with a contradiction of a old thought. You are exactley where you lead yourself to be by the choices you made, and are what you have made yourself to be. You specialize in who you wanted to be, and who you became. If i need a lawyer i go to a lawyer for help because im not one, and my knowlege is limited. We dont have time to be what we are not, and sometimes we put our faith in others who know more than we do. Men of God are very rare in this carnal world of selfish people, and when you need to know the truth how would you know who is who from all the men of God upon the earth to save yourself? There is real, real spiders, real snakes, real scorpions, and then there are rubber snakes, rubber spiders, and rubber scorpions that people throw to make you react. When the rubber ones are thrown then its just dealing with fear, as its fear of what is said that makes the reaction. This is done to the point that there is no more fear and instead the reaction becomes numb, so if the real thing is thrown to you, you are not aware to be afraid for your salvation. Was is Pual who everyone thought was going to die because of the snake? There are rules for knowing the truth, but unless its lived through life and instead of only being observed there isnt anyway for anyone to know. If its not started as a child growing up with God or his wisdome then its not going to be seen no matter how hard you try. Your choices have lead you to be who you are, and so your experaince with life is going to be different from anyone who has made their choices because of God first. Did you wait for God to answer your prayer before you did what you were planning? Ill bet you didnt. I did. After i decided to accept what God was showing me and follow the holy spirit instead of the church i was going to, or anyone i was listening to. After waching that other women leave my life just figured i was supposed to be married to the women i asked, and went for it, but forgot to ask about it. When real life had cought up with the spiritual life and everything settled back down a little i was at work. Our shop was closing down and all the employees decided to have a dinner on the last day our company would be open. When this day came i was bussey working when a friend of mine grabed me and told me i was going to miss out and drug me to the line. My friend said this feels like the last supper, and thats when the dove came down and landed on me. The dove is the spirit of God or better known as a angel or holy spirit. From my past encounters with this angel i know it says behold or in other words it says see what has taken place. Some people make the mistake and heed it as a warning, but really says without words to be prepaired. I looked around to see what was coming and since i was in the last part of the line took some time to get where the food was, and by that time thought it might be a false indication and let my gaurd down. We got our food and Earl my freind said he had just the place for us to sit, and he took me to a table and we sat to eat, and i was breaking my role when it hit me as to what had taken place. there were six long tables, and five of them were all next to each other except for the one i was sitting at, and the table i was sitting at was facing in the opposite direction from the rest. This table had no chairs on that side so everyone who got their food could get down between all the table to find a place to sit. I was sitting in the middle of this table facing everyone else. I guess i did what i was supposed to do, and followed the spirit This is also biblically sound because it describes this when jesus was baptized at the river.

Hello Jack: I believe you can find God if you want to, and i would know because i have. It may be all in what is important to us, and what we desire above all else. Ever since i was a young child on easter sunday hearing what jesus did for all of us, was supprised of the example i heard, and disired to be like that myself. As a young child on a farm didnt have much for material posessions, so i didnt know to be dicietfull to get them. I have spent my life looking for God, and if Jesus was a real man that walked on this earth. They say there are people who are spiritually gifted, and those who are worldly gifted. One end of the spectrum to another as for what people can become in their life. I am on the spiritual side, and work to gain the material side while others seem to find the material side easy. As a child being tormented by unseen beings and not being able to say much about it lived in fear, and it was this driving force that led me to find God. God is the template, and using the template creates the pattern. The desires of the heart to do whats right, to want to do the right things knowing from God they are right is the template. My desires to be more than i was and to help God where greater than my fears. At the age of twelve i went into the woods to pray, and as hard as i tried couldnt get a answer from God. Later in the summer as my dad was talking to his friend about his weeping willow tree, and how messy, and the great number of bugs it attracted were debating if he should remove the tree. As they agreed the tree should be removed God sent his spirit to tell me he was going to remove the tree. As summer was nearing its end a freek tornado came down out of the sky to remove this tree in a neiborhood without causing damage to any structure. Two years later my parents moved, and the following the year my anxiety and my fears had grown. As i watched and seen religions fighting between themselves i wondered how anyone could know who was telling the truth. The only way i would know was to ask God. I asked God without answer, and during my sleep found myself in a dead forest where nothing was alive. The grass didnt grow, and no living animal was about. I saw a lion stalking the forest untill it noticed me, and came to kill me. This being was alive, and not a dream. It was going to kill me and i knew i was going to die, and i called on God to save me. When the beast saw who i was became very supprised and ran away. I prayed again without answer. In the morning on a early spring day, a very clear day, a very nice comfortable day, i woke to go into the bathroom but instead found myself standing in a field of grass. I didnt know anything strange as i didnt know any better. I walked by a white house with four white pillars on the front, and a big red barn in the back. I walked up a hill untill the hill ended, and i was standing on the edge of a cliff overlooking a valley with a grove of trees. As i stood there golden rays of light broke from behind me as breaking through a viel of clouds, and shinned onto the grove of trees below. A voice with athority, firm and comforting spoke very clearley and said, " I am your king, and i am your Lord, and for you sins the branchs will fall". There stood in the midst of the grove of trees, one very large tree, and looking like Oaks. At that very moment a lighting bolt came from the sky and struck off a dead branch from the very large tree. I then found myself standing back in the bathroom and did not notice anything strange took place, the only thought i had was to ask and see what God could have meant because i didnt know. My mother being saved for a year being forgiven by her mother in law after she was saved, then my mother forgiving me had passed some blessing along a line. Seeing this made me want to find out even more, and thought i would ask her first. Over the years i had asked prechers, pastors, reverents, or anyone i knew, and thought it very strange no one knew. If they knew God like they claimed then also they would be able to tell me the meaning of the venture God showed me. The important thing was that i looked. After many years of searching i found the meanings behind Gods venture, wether in the body or out of the body i do not know. The trees were people, men as trees walking, and much like the blind man calling out to Jesus there are some people who come into full contact with the world, and experainc the world differently than most people. Those who can see, see because they are tought to avoid certain things, and fully believing it is good for them to do so. For those who can not see, living life blind without truth or the light of the gospel must in seeking God come into full contact with the world to discover what not to do. Those who are blind and seeking God are given the holy spirit to help them and guid them to the truth. This is the pattern. Our false beliefs are torn off from us as we discover each truth, and then being confirmed by God in our quest of the truth. If taken down to the roots then we start over with God the right way, though for those growing up with God seeking him the pattern comes into play. Age by age, event by event is no different than any other who has done it before. Those who are seen as men as trees walking are mature in God, and growing under his care. This cant be done unless there is a willing fight against being dishonest, and this is the petition given to God in order to show himself among wanting to know and wanting to help uphold what God wants. Seven years had passed by with many events unfolding before my eyes, but many interventions by the unseen ones to overturn my quest for the truth. At the age of twenty two i became aware of my state of being. I didnt feel i was worthy to stand before God and ask him anything, and was not happy knowing he existed and not being able to ask him. Within my disires to know what God wanted from me, and what to do as to not want to make mistakes anymore, and the desire to be able to speak to God lead to me ask again for help. On a very nice early spring morning, very clear day and comfortable i went out into my living room to read my bible. I had just found a new version of a new testement written in new english i could understand, and translated from a greek text. I had been reading it for a week everyday in the morning before work, and praying. When i had gone out and began to read it, i was curious to discover the letters standing out from the bible like looking through a magnifying glass. When i read i found it curious all those people did exactely everything i had done. I wanted to confirm this and asked some freinds to listen as i read becasue i wanted to know if it sounded like me, and me not knowing any better read aloud only to find sour looking faces when i looked up. I knew they couldnt understand or would they care if i explained it to them. It was at this time i had found the scripture that explained what took place seven years before, and in 2 corinthians 3 it explained the as looking into a mirror, and the transformations by the glory of God. This is what took place when i looked into a mirror in the bathroom but thought it had no meaning. I know a man who was taken to heaven and shown unspeakable thing. At that moment all the blame was gone, i didnt swear, and i could only see the best side to everyone. There was now room in the world for everyone else. Over the years looking for God, i lived every story in the bible as i learned and was confirmed by God from heaven. This took place untill i was fourty years old. At the age of thirty eight i finally asked God to show me who i was, and what i was, and who my people where, then he sent some people to me door. I didnt know for sure, and wasnt untill i asked God what to do that he told me to see what they had to say. When i went i was very shocked to find that another person had gone through the same things for the same reasons, and had the same thoughts i did. How could i say that everything i had seen, and the things i had wittnessed were not from God? I didnt write to mock anyone, or to make anyone upset. I write from my heart so you may know what is possible. Maybe seeing that there is someone alive during this time and not just reading about them you may also know what by example and compair the two as for help in times of trouble. God is love, and he wouldnt do anything you wouldnt want him to do, and overcoming fear as to step over the cliff and to trust God with your faith by the guidance of the holy spirit. Jesus said that if you know him, you know the father. meaning they have a like mission. Jesus said it not what my father told me to do, its what he showed me to do. Jesus said its within us to be able to find God. I dont have any church athority, im not recognized as being anything or anyone. If anyone decides to believe this post then you are blessed above all others. If God wanted me to be anything he would have made it that way. I never knew about the LDS church, and i didnt know anything about thier doctrines. I didnt find out untill i was thirty eight years old.