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How was Christ perfect from the beggining though. Isn't it really weird that it just so happens that just one person was perfect which is exactly what God needed? I don't think it was coincidence.

I wonder how Christ was perfect from the beggining when we were just intellegences. What would God have done if Christ never was. Without a perfect being the plan wouldent have worked either.

Please do that is the other thing I am very interested to learn about. Ive been wondering if there were different plans.

Wow I found an amazing article that I just skimmed through that covers some of the stuff we have been talking about. Sombody on the aliens thread mentioned this article. It is really interesting you guys should read it. http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menu..._&hideNav=1

I wonder though if there were different plans that were actually good plans though. obviously satans plan was distorted and wouldn't have worked but i wonder if there were other plans that actually worked. Like what if our God went through a different plan and wanted to use a different plan on us but satan didn't think it would work so thats why he tried to stop it. Although if what i'm saying was true it makes me wonder why satan would questions Gods Infinite wisdom when God made a plan. I wonder if when (if we do) become Gods if we will have to develop our own plan too.

In the story of the stripling warriors. Nope not the stripling warriors, nope not the mothers who taught there sons. But the fathers who dyed because they made a covenant of peace. I thought it was so touching that because they refused to fight there enemies were so touched they stopped fighting and some converted. Only a real man could go into a battle but to go into a battle and refuse to fight back takes the definition of a true man to a whole new level.

basically im saying if satan understood 2 nephi 2 you'd think he would just decide to sit around and do nothing. Id recomend reading it again if you havent done so recently. its one of my favorite scriptures.

finally people realize what i'm talking about and this topic is becoming more interesting. Personally if I was satan i would just sit there and do nothing so that Gods plan wouldn't work you'd think satan would get more satisfaction out of that than letting progression continue with some people failing. Lol i wonder if God is sitting in heaven laughing at satans futile attempts to thwart his plan when he is really helping it progress. Because without satan the plan wouldn't have worked. My second point was that perhaps our God became a God through a different plan? do you think that its possible? perhaps God became God through a different plan and satan thought the plan of salvation wouldn't work. Because if there was always a plan of salvation why would satan question that it would work this time? I have a feeling people wont understand my second point either. Do you mean rather than satan? Thats pretty interesting I never thought about how satan knew about our carnal desires but it makes sence now.

but i dont understand why he doesent just sit back and do nothing because wouldent that completly stop the plan and our progression would come to a halt? maybe its because of pride like sixpack said but it just doesent make sence why he would do that. Maybe God needed a tempter for the plan and satan agreed that he would do it just to prove the plan wouldent work? just thinking.

thank you sixpack that makes sense to me two. I don't know if I wrote my origonal post clearly enough because some other people don't seem to understand what i'm trying to say. Basically I am wondering why satan is helping Gods plan work when we know that he wants Gods plan to fail. And it seems like sixpack is the only one who understands what I'm trying to say. Again its sortof a hard thing to explain and I'm not very good at explaining things so I hope you guys can understand what I'm trying to say.

Hello?!!!! thats what ive been trying to say I swear nobody is listening exept for sixpack. I dont understand why satans plan was for us to not experience pain, happiness, joy, sadness, or anything else but then he tries to ruin gods plan be being the provider of pain sadness and temptation. Do you understand what i am trying to say? Its like if person A needed water for a plan to work and person B says you dont need water so he turns around and gives person A water to ruin his plan. It doesent make sence. Im asking why satan provided a part of the plan God needed. Do you still not understand what im trying to say? I think sixpack is the only one who understands what im trying to say.

I know thats exactly my point if you read my post. wich would mean that satan is helping the plan but he is trying to fight against it. hence the contradiction. I meant for this thread to be not though provoking not being told what i already know. sorry if that sounded harsh but it sounds like you didnt read my post.

lol the funny thing is that black people dont like being called african american. think about it would you like being called european american? or would you prefer being called white? people who think black people dont like being called black most likely dont know very many black people and think black people are ashamed of their own skin color and dont want to be called black.

Yes but opposition is an essential part of agency and satan was against agency so why would satan create opposition if it was needed for the plan to work?

well it sure seems like he is if what he is doing is actually helping God.