This topic started over a year ago and last post was yesterday. I don't think cmblueeyes is still around since he hasn't posted in a while in this thread. But if you were I would say......... If you have serious questions and you don't feel like you are getting a real answer, please spend some time reading these websites. They have very detailed explainations of MANY difficult topics in the church. In these pages you will see that you have many misconceptions about what the Church "tells it members." You will find it fascinating. http://www.jefflindsay.com/myturn.shtml http://www.fairlds.org/ http://www.shields-research.org/ Two things I find interesting (actually, I find many things interesting, but will stick with two for now) is that 1. some on this post have questioned the 'burning in the bossom' Christ talks about in the bible about how one can know when he is hearing/experiencing the truth. 2. A very common theme to people that have stories about leaving the church is that when they found the doctrine (like JS ordaining a black man and then BY not letting him exercise his priesthood) that shocked them, they describe how THEY felt in this moment. They were confused, hurt, dissappointed, sad, disoriented, etc. Or in other words, they felt like someone had kicked them in the gut. This doesn't sound like God confirming the truth to me.