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I do not believe God had sex with Mary. Salek said it best. Was Jesus created? Well THis is a tough one to say. In the book of Abraham in the PoGP it says that our spirits are eternal. They exsisted before they shall exsist after. Since eternity is a pretty complex thing to wrap your head around, it is tough to understand. Consider Rev 3:14 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; It would seem to suggest that All of us were created at on point. The scriptures are silent on the matter if Jesus was married. There has been much speculation both from LDS and Prodistent. Do we think we will become gods when we die? You would need to consider what exaltaion is. Becoming like God is not some automatic privlige. Consider many scriptures that point to this. Rev 3:21 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. I think this is pretty straight forward. Also consider Psalms 82:6 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. Again this is pretty straight forward. As far as women becoming pregnant and populating planets that is pure speculation. We do not know what all it means to have slavation or exaltation. We just know we eill be like God. As far as God "earning" his status that has been speculated upon much as well. The only thing we know is that Jesus has done nothing save he saw the Father do it. Consider John 5:19 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. So the question arises: what has the Son done. That which he seeth the Father do. What has the Father done? WEll that goes back to the Son. Jesus came to this earth and atoned for our sins. He did that becuase he saw the Father do it. So no Jesus and God did not "earn" thier godhood. Please understand that these are some what deep and I didnt go into great lenght in some of them simply becuase we do not know. Some people have offered opinion on them. But opinion does not constitue doctrine. Hope this helps.

I was born in the church. However in my teenage years I feel away and didnt care one witt for church or any thing religous. However when I turned 18, I started to think about a mission more and more. I couldnt stop, so I prepared to go and I went. When I was in the MTC I figured it was time to really see if this was a punch of hocus pocus or if it really was true. So I took the test. I read and studie the BoM and prayed. Pretty much every day to know it was true. I figured I'm not going to go teach people what I believe if I dont really belive it myself and know it is true. Lo and behold I got may answer about 1 week before departure to the mision field. I know that the BoM is what it claims to be. I know Joseph Smith was called of God. Jesus is the Savior and he did restore his preisthood to the earth once again. I cant deny it. You must also ask God if these things are true. You must ask it as if you were and are going to change your whole life when the answer comes. It is by this faith that one can know these things are true.

Best thing to help you out is, What prophecies do you feel didnt come true? Were they even prophecies to begin with? Please dont feel like your annoying us. I love the discussion. IT good to see what is going on.

I decided to think my way over here. Considering that thinking is frowned upon in the church. So our critics say.