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Those are all great well said thoughts and that's why I posted it I just think it is interesting. My only thing about him just not knowing seems weird because of all the things that he knows I would assume that he could put two and two together in regards to the fall. I know that he does not know the mind of God but a big part of the plan is coming down here which he knew, and if he saw Adam and eve not being able to sin I would think that he would know what that meant. I wonder if he was just so filled with pride and anger that he didn't care and just wanted a chance to prove that he could ruin the plan. I don't know, I am thinking out loud, but I know that this is not a huge question and I am not really worried about it I just wanted to hear what some people thought because I have been impressed reading so many posts.

Thanks I agree all the way I have just been in some arguments with people about it and wanted some stuff to say to help with my point.

I don't know how much I could add to all those great things that were said. I want to tell you that when I was reading your post it was liking hearing my self. I have been a very similar situation except I decided to go home from a mission because I was so unsure. I have spent my whole life searching and waiting to get an answer to my very simple prayer " Is there a God and does he love me?" I wish I could tell you that it just hit me and I knew but that didn't happen and then I had even more doubt. I felt like every time I asked someone what all this meant I felt like a got the same answer either I really didn't want to know or I got my answer but did not realize it. That always bothered me because how is it an answer if I cant understand it. I am sure that this is sounding like I am not helping you but I am trying to tell you what I wish I could have heard. I am married now and going to be sealed in the temple in May and have a baby on the way. I still can't say that I got an overwhelming feeling that this is true but I just looked back and when I was really happy and then I realized I don't think I got the answer I wanted because I felt I deserved to be like Alma and have a vison, but that was my problem I was arogant to be the one saying what should happen and dismiss a lifetime of blessings to me and people I love and still say "is it true?" I had my answer I just had to get out of my own way to see it. Well I hope this helped but when I was where you where I just had figure it out my self but I hope I can save you some time and pain. I just want to end byy saying that I really do know that god is there and loves you and is just waiting for you to be ready to hear what he has to say. Good Luck

I was just wondering if the church had a stance on this subject because I have heard some people say that the holocaust was punishment. I don't understand that because would that not be them getting punishment for somebody else's sin. I am not sure what scripture it is in the book of mormon that says something about there kids being punished

This is my first time asking anything on here so I hope this is not a stupid question. How much did Satan know about the plan before the "Fall" because if he had a perfect knowledge of it why would he tempt Adam and Eve in the garden? If you would have not tempted them they would have been stuck there and nobody could come down and have a mortal body, and by doing that would that not ruin the plan more than anything else?