Andrew777

Andrew: Insulting other posters here is not acceptable. Take a break. Seraphim

Yes. It's good to see the government treating this in the same way the LDS were treated back in the day when they were still polygamous and marrying litte girls. The rights of those who haven't reached the age of 'responsibility' need to be protected by the government from religions, parents and cult groups.

I don't know turning to the Bible to look for moral lessons about the treatment of children is really a poor place to go. The Bible tells us to beat our kids with a rod if they are disobedient a number of times in Proverbs, in Deutoronomy we are instructed to stone a child to death if he's disobedient and a drunk, you should be willing to sacrafice your child if God wills it and of course there's all the kids that are mauled to death by bears for mocking a prophet. As for treatment of women and daughters it gets even worse, you can find those verses on your own they are many and plentiful. Yes, there is hordes of biblical pedophelia, polygamy, God instructed rapes and murders of women and children. Polygamy, pedophelia, abuse of women ---biblically sound? Yes! Morally and ethically? I'd have to say no! BTW Pedophiles aren't homosexuals or hetrosexuals, they are pedophiles. Homosexuals and hetrosexuals have sex with adults.

Actually you're completely wrong there, it's up to the God-church to judge with the proper authority invested in it. The Bible says only God can judge and if you judge people harshly then you will be judged harshly...but this is only to common everyday members. Those in proper authority positions given by God can judge as if they were God himself as they gain guidance and revelation through their calling.

Is this the sort of history that the excommunicated historians add their own slant too? "I would not want you to believe that we bear any animosity toward the Negro. 'Darkies' are wonderful people, and they have their place in our church." - Joseph Fielding Smith, October 22, 1963 Darkies, eh, in the 60's nonetheless not the 1800's.

Jesus said that even if you think the wrong thoughts, you've commited sins. I had this explained to me as he set the bar higher so that we are to not just commit the act of breaking the law of chastity but to be ever vigilant about even thinking about breaking it or breaking any of the churches other commandments. My personal belief is that Jesus was saying that we need to change our thinking before our acts will follow and that he was warning against our thoughts and emotions leading us to sin. The church members I talked to said I was wrong though and that it's just the act of actually thinking that causes the sin.

It's because some people have a sense of humour, sometimes even about their own beliefs and traditions.

Ha, that was great. One of the times that they did this to me, I opened my eyes to take a quick peak around and the guy standing directly in front of me had his fly undone.

Homosexuals are OK Morningstar as long as they do everything in their power to not act, think or feel as if they are homosexuals.

What does happen to hemaphrodites and what is the purpouse to their birth? I know some hindus consider them special spiritual people.

I think what you just said, it's beautiful and is right. He's even there through all the anger. Thanks for your post. :)

This is somewhat true it applies at different levels in orginizations, in the LDS church it's institutionalized. Look I have three callings and clean the church every week (even though I'm unemployed and my family supports me so I have all the time in the world) that guy over there refused his one! Even if the guy over there works 70 hours a week to support his wife and family and can't make time for home teaching and a bunch of callings. There are churches out there that have a few bad apples but actually practice what they preach, Christ said the greatest commandment is love and that we are not to judge each other over sin (temple recommend interviews). He died for all of us to reach the 'highest' level of exaltation not an elect few that can go inside a man made building because their sins are somehow lesser then the rest of humanity's sins.

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Is the child support and alimony question about following the 'law of the land' or do they actually think family courts hand down fair judgements from God or some such thing? Do they ask the mothers a question like, "Do you do everything you can to make it easy for the father of your children to see his children?", probably not, eh?

So hell it is then for mormons?